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What We Don’t Know About Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 . . .
Greg Johnson
Russian separatist in Ukraine holding stuffed toy of one of the 80 children killed on Malaysian Airlines Flight 17
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. . . could kill us all.
It is astonishing what we do know about Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which crashed in eastern Ukraine on Friday. We know that that all 298 humans on board — plus 2 dogs, 4 pigeons, and 5 other birds including at least 1 peacock and at least 1 chicken — were killed.
We know the nationalities of the victims, that most of them were white, most of them were Dutch, and that 80 were children. Thanks to smart phones and social media, we have countless poignant and horrifying images of the crash debris. It was a terrible loss, and our primary responsibility is to make sure that it is not the beginning of a greater catastrophe.
As of this writing, the wreckage and bodies are under the control of Russian separatists, who have chased off with gunfire the international investigators who are qualified to determine just what happened to the plane.
But that has not stopped “Western” governments and media from pushing the idea that the plane was downed with a surface-to-air missile fired by Russian separatists and provided by Putin’s Russia. I think that is the most likely story, given that the separatists have been shooting down other airplanes recently. But we don’t know. In fact, there is a long list of things that we don’t know.
- We don’t know that the plane was shot down. It could have exploded due to a bomb on board or due to some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure.
- If the plane was shot down, we don’t know whether it was shot down by a ground-based missile or a missile fired from an airplane.
- If the plane was shot down, we don’t know by whom: Ukraine, Russian separatists, and Russia herself are the main players in the area. Again, the most plausible culprits are the separatists, with Russian help, since they have been shooting down other planes recently.
- If the plane was shot down, we don’t know why: it could have been the intended target; it could have been a mistaken target; the trigger man might not have cared who was on the plane; it could even have been an accidental misfiring.
Not only don’t we know these things, we may never know some of them.
Thus the rush to blame Russia is not based on the facts of the case, most of which are yet to be determined. Nor is it based merely on likelihoods. It is based on a pre-existing anti-Russian narrative in the Western media. This narrative is not constructed by Ukrainians, who have legitimate grievances against Russia. Ukraine is only important to the West because it fits into the anti-Russian narrative as well.
Over the near quarter-century since the collapse of the USSR, the “West” has pursued a recklessly anti-Russian foreign policy. Instead of welcoming the Russians as a brother people that had finally liberated itself from Communist tyranny, US foreign policy was to kick Russia repeatedly when she was down in order to maintain America’s new “uni-polar” hegemony.
The autarkic Soviet industrial economy was dismantled. Russia now has the economic profile of a Third World country, dependent on exporting raw materials. Specifically, Russia’s economy depends largely on oil and gas exports — much like that of a Persian Gulf sheikdom, although there is far more poverty and inequality in Russia.
The USSR’s former satellites in Central and Eastern Europe and her former Republics in the Baltic were added to NATO and the EU. One can’t blame these countries for seeking NATO and EU security guarantees. They would have been crazy to have spurned them.
But for all of the indignities she has absorbed, Russia still maintains the world’s second most powerful military, with far higher quality soldiers than the browning biomass of the US military, and a nuclear arsenal that could wipe out a good chunk of life on earth. Although one would never guess it, given the abandon with which the US is pursuing a confrontation with Moscow.
Who are the gamblers who authored this policy, and what do they think they will gain? The architects of this policy are Jews. Neo-conservative Jews under the Bush I and Bush II administrations, “liberal” Jews under the Clinton and Obama administrations, but Jews nonetheless — although, of course, they are aided by schools of goy remoras like Barack Obama and John McCain who feast on their masters’ table scraps and droppings.
Fix your mind firmly on this fact: American’s policy toward Russia was authored by the same people who gave us the Iraq war, America’s greatest military fiasco (so far).
As for what they hope to gain: one could ask the same question about the current Gaza incursions. Those who claim that Jews are playing some sort of Machiavellian strategic long game may simply be fooling themselves to evade a much scarier possibility: that it is nothing but the sadistic revenge of power-mad, hate-crazed psychopaths — the same people who have hijacked our nation and steered it on a collision course with Russia and World War III.
Jews hate Russians almost as much as they hate Palestinians, and that reckless hate may be all that is dictating US policy. No matter how the current crisis plays out, the world will never be safe until whites in America and around the world understand the Jewish problem, stop listening to Jews, and start saying no to them.
Cui bono? is the only Latin phrase most Alex Jones fans know. (Reductio ad absurdum should be the next one they look up.) Who stands to benefit from the downing of the jet?
- Ukraine clearly benefits from the current narrative pinning it on the Russian separatists and their Kremlin sponsors, since this atrocity will mobilize world and Russian opinion against further support of the separatists.
- However, Vladimir Putin also stands to benefit from the same narrative. Putin clearly has little interest in the Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine. He was willing to pay a high price to secure Crimea, which is an important strategic asset. To help gain Crimea, Putin was cynical enough to stoke nationalist sentiments among Crimean Russians. But when those same sentiments gave rise to separatism in less strategically valuable territory, Putin has given only desultory aid — perhaps merely because he cannot disappoint the intense Russian nationalists among his own supporters. Pinning this atrocity on the separatists will allow Putin to say “enough is enough” to the ultra-nationalists and stop Russian support of the separatists altogether.
- If this atrocity leads to a swift solution in eastern Ukraine, then the whole world benefits. Without Russian support to the separatists, Ukraine can pacify the region, and the Russians there who simply cannot abide Ukrainian rule can move to Russia, who should welcome them, given her current demographic crisis.
Of course the beneficiaries of events are not always their authors. Surprisingly few children, for example, murder their parents for their inheritances.
The US government and Jewish media are claiming, without proof, that Russia conspired with Russian separatists to provide them with advanced weaponry that shot down the Malaysian jet. They are selling this story because it fits in with their existing policy goals and the narrative that justifies it. Empirical evidence and rational inference mean nothing to them.
It is not a “conspiracy theory,” however. It is just the “news.” A “conspiracy theory” is an alternative explanation that does not advance the interest of people in power.
I despise conspiracy theories and the people who traffic in them.
The only “conspiracy theory” I believe in is the “international Jewish conspiracy,” which is no conspiracy theory at all, since Jewish power is a fact. And it is no secret. It is “hidden” in plain view, for all the world to see.
I despise conspiracy mongers not because they challenge the people in power, which is a good thing. I despise them because typically they are just as unscrupulous as the people in power. For instance, the lack of facts about the Ukraine crash has not deterred conspiracy theorists from spinning out alternative stories that advance their own agendas. Empirical evidence and rational inference mean nothing to them either.
It is frankly dismaying, for example, when otherwise sensible people claim that “the Jews” must have caused the crash because they wanted to distract the Western media from Gaza. This, mind you, comes from people who rightly believe that Jews effectively control the Western media and thus would not need such a distraction if they wanted to change the subject. Which also implies that current Gaza coverage suits Jews just fine. (Try wrapping your mind around that.)
As a general rule, I believe in “worse is better,” meaning: worse for the current system = better for whites. More people than ever are cynical about the political system and the mainstream media. They rightly sense that these people are liars and hypocrites. But when our people start turning to alternative media for information, they are too often greeted by cranky conspiracy theorists who are just as dishonest and cynical as the mainstream our people are fleeing.
When it comes to the media, there are three basic kinds of people: conformists who irrationally believe everything the authorities say, cranks who irrationally doubt everything the authorities say, and rational people whose only authorities are facts and reason. If people on the Right aspire to lead — first in the realm of opinion and then in the realm of politics — we need to make reason, reality, and sincerity our watchwords and to build up our credibility while that of our enemies continues to spiral downward.
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Exactly!
“We don’t know that the plane was shot down. It could have exploded due to a bomb on board or due to some sort of catastrophic mechanical failure.”
Martin Armstrong said something to the effect that the short term manipulation of events is a far cry from an organized conspiracy. Having said that, Armstrong is certain that we are subject to cycles for which Nikolai Kondratiev (also written Kondratieff) who made the same claim was sent by Stalin to the gulag .
But if you haven’t read Robison’s Proofs of a Conspiracy, sold on this site, or HG Wells, The Open Conspiracy, then you are missing half the fun.
How about: the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine shot it down using a rocket launcher supplied by Putin, thinking it was a Ukrainian cargo or intelligence plane. A tragic error typical of fighting areas filled with trigger-happy guys on the ground. And now all sides spinning their own versions and the conspiracy theories sprouting. Apparently the missile system the separatists have does not also have the radar guidance system which provides more detailed data on type of aircraft etc. which would have alerted them to the airliner status.
The miracle here is that more airliners are not down there. Some 800 or so commercial flights overfly the combat zone on a regular basis. I lay the blame for this on the airlines themselves. They should simply not route their flights over, or near, a conflict area, period.
<Which also implies that current Gaza coverage suits Jews just fine. (Try wrapping your <mind around that.)
I can't. Explain please…
Israel’s demographic crisis requires Jews to move there. Heightened anti-Semitism in Europe, especially France, has dramatically increased Jewish emigration to Israel. The Gaza incursion is increasing anti-Semitism in Europe, which suits the Zionist project just fine. Jews feel safer in Israel, where Muslims are being ground under the boots of the IDF, than in Europe, where enraged Muslims are beating Jews and passive aggressive Europeans increasingly do not care.
Because it’s Russia, I can accept there is no grand strategy in this instance and no motive beyond pathological hate for the Russian goy.
“If people on the Right aspire to lead – first in the realm of opinion and then in the realm of politics – we need to make reason, reality, and sincerity our watchwords and to build up our credibility while that of our enemies continues to spiral downward.” This is basic and we must repeat it tirelessly
It’s the best article so far I’ve read about this issue.
You’re on the right Right path Greg.
Yockey was right, The Russians should have joined forces with the West.
Thank you for this article. I’m Russian and I’m dismayed by the Orwellian propaganda before the investigative commission has come to any conclusions.
Could it be that one reason why Western Marxists so hate Russia, is apostasy from the Marxist Faith?
Check this out everybody. 4 minutes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_UqZrzv7sQQ&feature=youtu.be
Sorry, but he gives me the Heebe-Jeebes. I just can’t watch him. And “false flag” today is the true flag of the axe grinding crank. If there is something of substance to this, just put it in a comment so I do’t have to lose four minutes of my life watching this freak. Has Kapner been to the crash site? Has he examined the wreckage?
One of your best articles.
I for one do not want to see a war between white people over a shootdown. Airline shootdown are invariably designed to kill YT. Either directly or in this case sow discord among various white nationalities. See the origin of the modern terrorism problem here in Rhodesia:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Rhodesia_Flight_825
The arms suppliers to Mugabe are listed as Soviets but they might well have been YKW operating in SA, Angola, Mozambique.
“I despise conspiracy mongers not because they challenge the people in power, which is a good thing. I despise them because typically they are just as unscrupulous as the people in power. For instance, the lack of facts about the Ukraine crash has not deterred conspiracy theorists from spinning out alternative stories that advance their own agendas. Empirical evidence and rational inference mean nothing to them either.”
I think that many conspiracy mongers are, to use a Jewish word, kibitzers — people who pretend to be authorities on matters on which they know virtually nothing. (This criticism is also applicable to many pundits in the mainstream media, but this is another matter.) As soon as there is some kind of event like a bombing, an assassination, an airliner disappearance, or a shooting spree, conspiracy mongers come out en masse, like snails after it rains, to peddle their idées fixes. “The [fill in blank] [is/are] behind it!” “It’s a false flag operation!” “It’s a hoax!” “It’s an inside job!” True or not, how the hell would these people know, and so quickly? Are they in on the plot?
I despise conspiracy mongers because of their typically irrational, obnoxious, and obsessive-compulsive behaviors, exemplified by JFK assassination buffs and 9/11 truthers.
Greg, if you believe that Worse Is Better, then watch this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI1C9DyIi_8
I also believe that the worse our socio-economic condition is, the better our chances in chasing non-whites out of our living regions are, for when in poverty and desperation, life becomes cheap and violence an acceptable mean of settling issues.
Greg, don’t the jews (i.e. Russian jews) also control Russia?
I couldn’t help but wonder whether Vladimir Putin is being demonized precisely because he is the mightiest white leader in the world. The media campaign against him is reminiscent of the demonization of another white leader several decades ago…
Incidentally, what are the odds that two disasters involving the same international airline could take place by coincidence? IATA has 240 members…
The timing of the two Malaysian Airlines incidents is also interesting: the first (the disappearance of MH370) took place on 8th March 2014; Russia annexed Crimea in the first week of March 2014. The second (the destruction of MH17) took place right after the successful BRICS summit in Brazil. Both instances could be construed as setbacks for Washington….
This is the kind of paranoid speculation that makes us all look like lunatics.
No: at worst, it only makes me seem like a lunatic (since these speculations are entirely my own, and not those of anyone else’s on this site) – and I consider that to be a risk worth taking and a price worth paying to retain my freedom to speculate.
Anyway, since you feel so strongly about it…
All White Nationalists are seen as Conspiracy Theorists since we see the world differently from the majority and believe a great evil is being done secretly.
No. I don’t believe much evil is done secretly. I think everything is done right before our lying eyes. As Greg wrote, almost everything I believe in is “hidden” in plain view.
We still don’t know enough to theorize what really happened, but Putin and the pro-Russian separatists have nothing to gain by deliberately shooting down the airliner and almost everything to lose. If we don on our conspiracy hats for a moment, the fact that most of the victims are Western Europeans could have been designed to drive a wedge between Russia and W. European nations and to encourage the latter to get swept up in their emotions and support further economic sanctions on Russia. Without a doubt the Jewish controlled U.S. foreign policy seeks to isolate and marginalize Russia so it cannot continue to act as a counterweight to Israeli and U.S. recklessness.
Of course, it’s entirely plausible that it was an accident due to poorly trained SAM battery operators on either side although it hasn’t been established that the separatists even had access to the BUK anti-aircraft missile system that is alleged to have felled the plane. But we do know that much like its Jewish created and ideological forbear, the Soviet Union, the government of the USSA lies brazenly and pathologically about everything.
Yes, but history is full of examples of people acting in ways that sabotage their interests.
And I am afraid that the “West” has no monopoly on lies and propaganda.
It’s been two weeks now, but it’s still the best article on the subject so far.
A few additional points:
Even if we accept the current Western narrative that it was done by the separatists, it doesn’t make the separatists evil or “terrorist” in any way. It makes them look incompetent, though. Because if they downed it, it must have been an accident – according to the youtube video released by the Ukrainian government, the rebels first thought it was a Ukrainian military transport plane. So if we accept the narrative (including the Ukrainian youtube video), then it was an accident.
The Ukrainian armed forces downed a Russian jet airliner (full of, incidentally, Israeli children) back in 2001. Actually, it happened in peacetime. Ukraine initially denied involvement, but later agreed to pay compensation, and expressed regret, even though it still didn’t officially accept responsibility. The US Navy downed an Iranian jet airliner (Iran Air Flight 655), killing all 290 people on board (almost as many as were killed on board MH17), and nobody among those who want to declare the separatists “terrorists” because of that ever wanted to declare the US a “terrorist state” for the exact same crime. The US expressed regrets, but has yet to accept official responsibility (I think they do it in such an awkward way for legal reasons), and only paid compensation several years later after Iran brought the thing to an international court. (The compensation was not very much, though, especially from the then by far greatest economic power of the world, a couple hundred grand for each victim. It was roughly the same amount as the Ukrainians paid to their victims.)
The separatists might be considered terrorists for other reasons, of course, but certainly not because of this tragic accident. If it really was an accident (which at this point I find highly likely).
I also think we know even less than what you wrote. For example you wrote that the separatists didn’t let the international investigators to the crash site. Actually, according to more pro-Russian sources, they only restricted access for OSCE observers (and not investigators!) on the first day (rebels have an understandable objection to “international observers” from NATO countries freely moving on their territory, given that they likely double as spies), but that basically OSCE observers are not investigators, and it took almost a week for the investigators to arrive in Donetsk and even more time to move to the scene. Now I cannot claim that the Russian statements are true, my gut feeling is that they are not necessarily more reliable than statements by Mr. Kerry or Ms Nuland, but it’s still just one statement from “pro-Western” sources against another one by pro-Russian ones.
A bit off topic, but I just found it today, so I thought I’d share here. There is an interesting side story about the Russians being disrespectful to the bodies, and looting the crash site. I personally can imagine such things happening in a war zone with impoverished inhabitants, but I’d need serious evidence for this. One Swiss tabloid (Sonntagsblick) denounced in headlines “Putin’s rebels without scruples” who “tread with their feet on the bodies of the victims”, and they even show a photo (on their first page) of a rebel showing up a soft toy “like a trophy”. (The “like a trophy” phrase is not on the first page, only in the article.) Then somebody found a video of the scene with the rebel showing up the soft toy – he showed it to the journalists and cameramen present (probably to show them the proof that children were among the victims) and then respectfully put it down, took off his hat, and crossed himself. No matter what we think these rebels are, whether heroes or terrorists, local patriots or Putin’s mercenaries, it’s actually hard for me to believe after watching this video that they are looting (or that they allow local residents looting) the crash site. Not impossible, but I’d need stronger evidence. I think it’s worth watching the video (the scene starts around 0:58) and reading the article (you can use Google translate if you can’t read German).
It’s also interesting how the “narrative” is being spread everywhere by everything – even a Swiss tabloid is a blatant propaganda piece, if for no other reason then because it just uncritically takes its stories from the English speaking media. Questions that a journalist should ask on any matter (let alone such a serious matter that could lead us to a nuclear world war or at least a second cold war) are not being asked at all.
Here’s a couple of relatively reliable (Wall Street Journal) sources that the Russians didn’t hamper investigations, that the delay was mostly because it took time to assemble and then get to the scene the investigating team:
NPR interview of a WSJ journalist
WSJ article by the same journalist
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