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The Psychology of Conversion

William Blake, "The Conversion of Saul"

William Blake, “The Conversion of Saul”

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How do we convert people to White Nationalism? To answer that question, we have to ask ourselves how we were converted, then do the same for others. The most natural method of conversion is to share the information that converted us: information on biological race differences, the problems of diversity, systematic anti-white discrimination and vilification, the peril of whites being demographically swamped by fast-breeding non-whites, and the role of the organized Jewish community in creating this situation and preventing our people from solving these problems. 

When you view conversion as a matter of information, the task seems rather clear cut. But it also seems rather overwhelming and hopeless. For although the internet has been a great boon to our cause, there is simply no way that we can compete with the system in terms of ability to access and indoctrinate the minds of our people. Once our cause is framed as a race with the system to deliver information, we can only despair or take refuge in fantasies of leveling the playing field through collapse or finding a pro-white billionaire who will buy us a television network or a movie studio.

I want to suggest, however, that the process of conversion is both more complex and more hopeful than simply delivering information to people.

In The Varieties of Religious Experience, William James devotes two chapters to the psychology of religious conversion. In these chapters, he quotes extensively from autobiographical accounts of religious conversions (all of them to Christianity). What is striking about these narratives is that the conversions did not take place through the acquisition of new information or even a new worldview. In all cases, it is clear that the converts already believed in God, sin, and redemption through Jesus Christ before their conversions.

William James

William James

Thus conversion was not a matter of changing their beliefs, but instead a matter of changing the relative importance of their beliefs. James distinguishes between the center and the margins of our interests. At the center of our interests are “hot and vital” matters from which “personal desire and volition make their sallies.” They are the “centers of our dynamic energy . . .” (William James, The Varieties of Religious Experience [New York: The Modern Library, 1994], p. 217). They are the things that matter, the things that cause us to act.

James also claims that our beliefs naturally cluster together into different “systems” of ideas. As our interests shift, some systems become the focus of our attention, glowing with heat and vital interest, while others become cool and marginal. According to James, when one’s “focus of excitement and heat . . . come[s] to lie permanently within a certain system . . . we call it a conversion, especially if it be by crisis, or sudden” (p. 217).

James wishes to reserve the word conversion for religious transformations, but one can speak of political conversions as well. “To say that a man is ‘converted’ means . . . that religious ideas, previously peripheral in his consciousness, now take a central place, and that religious aims form the habitual center of his energy” (p. 218). When a new system of ideas becomes the permanent core of one’s life, “everything has to re-crystallize about it” (p. 218).

James’ account of conversion has important implications for White Nationalism.

First is the sobering realization that informing our people is not enough if the information remains peripheral to the active centers of their lives. If the information is not important enough to act on, then nothing will change.

Second, the key to White Nationalist conversion is ultimately moral. It is a matter of values. The key is not to inform, but to make information matter, to make it of central and supreme importance, so that competing values no longer have the power to inhibit us from acting upon it.

Unfortunately for us, James claims that psychology can only describe the process of conversion, but it cannot account for all the details of how and why these changes take place. Indeed, he says that not even converts themselves are fully aware of all the factors at work.

3-conversion-of-st-paul-fra-angelicoJames’ account of conversion applies quite well to my case, although I don’t know if I am typical or not. I did not become a White Nationalist through the educational efforts of the movement. I was aware of racial differences, the negative effects of diversity, anti-white discrimination, white demographic peril, and even the Jewish problem through mainstream sources and personal experiences long before I encountered the movement. Most of the information I received about these matters was, of course, selected to confirm establishment biases and freighted with negative value judgments. But nevertheless, I was aware of every element of my present worldview by the time I was 16.

Only three things were lacking.

First, I needed to put the information together and draw the proper conclusions. And even that was pretty much sketched out too, for hadn’t I been informed a thousand times already that white racial awareness is a slippery slope to National Socialism?

Second, I was inhibited from drawing these conclusions by the extreme moral stigmas attached to them and by the extremely negative images I had been sold of advocates of such ideas. I simply could not be one of those people, those vicious, moronic brutes.

In my case, the moral stigma was far less forbidding, because I had never been an egalitarian or felt the least shred of unearned guilt. But even though I was capable of disbelieving in Christianity, equality, and white guilt, I still accepted that no decent, intelligent, cultured person today could believe anything remotely like White Nationalism. (That only changed in 2000, when I met my first actual White Nationalist.)

Beyond the moral stigmas attached to ethnocentrism, I also ascribed undue value to freedom, individualism, and capitalism and assumed that such European values were universal and would be reciprocated by all peoples.

I sought out information from the movement only after my inhibitions had melted away, only after I finally drew the conclusions from what I already knew about our race’s terrible plight and what must be done to reverse it.

I believed everything that White Nationalists believed, and I became quite well-informed rather quickly. But not even that was enough to convert me to White Nationalism, for one more factor stood in the way.

I was still not a real White Nationalist, because my beliefs were essentially a private hobby, an intensely interesting sideline to my life, but nothing more. The core of my interest was still philosophy, and my goal was to pursue an academic career.

The reasons why my White Nationalist beliefs were marginal are complex. Part of the matter, surely, is the fact that they came later than my other convictions. But another part of it is that I believed that White Nationalism ultimately didn’t matter. Specifically, I believed that there was nothing I could do—nothing anyone could do—to reverse our race’s decline.

But I did not despair, because I also believed that the current system was unsustainable, thus it will eventually perish from its internal corruptions and contradictions. And since it seemed unlikely that the system would outlast our race, I believed that after “the collapse” our people would have a fighting chance. Until then, however, nothing could be done. So my primary energies were focused elsewhere, where I felt I could make a difference.

My real conversion to White Nationalism came together in the fall of 2001. The reasons are complex as well.

One factor was 9/11, which led me to make my first public statements on the Jewish problem, because I came to believe that real headway was now possible. Another formative experience was my visit to Paris to attend the National Front’s Fête des Bleu-blanc-rouge. It was intoxicating to be among thousands of like-minded people. We cannot win as isolated individuals. But there in Paris was concrete, palpable, visceral proof that white people could join together to accomplish great things.

There were other galvanizing events as well, but when I think them through, they all lead back to the dawning conviction that I could do something, because we could do something. Even if you believe that something can be done, you will not act if you feel that you are alone, since individuals cannot change the course of history by themselves. We know that if we declare ourselves openly, there will be opposition. Thus it makes sense to be cautious until you know that others will stand with you. And for all the flaws of “the movement,” then and now, I became convinced that enough White Nationalists are capable of courage, loyalty, and solidarity that we can change the course of history, just like other intellectual movements have done. We really can save the world.

Krishna instructs Arjuna

Krishna instructs Arjuna

Another crucial realization was that there is no contradiction between activism and belief in larger historical forces that constrain our ability, individually or collectively, to change the world. The solution lies in the teaching of the Bhagavad-Gita: that each individual should do his duty, regardless of the consequences. We know the right thing to do, but we do not know the consequences of doing the right thing. Thus one should act according to knowledge of duty, not conjectures about consequences.  One should do one’s duty to the utmost and let the gods sort out the results. And I believed that my duty was to fight. That is the ethic of a movement that can save the world.

Once these ideas crystallized, everything else fell by the way. Pursuing an academic career seemed particularly absurd. I couldn’t do it. Not even as a racket.

I wish to close with a heartening suggestion. Maybe we can worry less about informing out people, because (1) they are better informed than we think, and (2) the system is educating them better than we ever can.

One reason I found 9/11 tremendously encouraging is that is showed Americans to be far better informed about the Jewish problem than I had expected. A few days after the attacks, NBC and Reuters released poll data indicating that two-thirds of the public believed that the terrorist attacks happened because the United States was too close to Israel. In the years since, direct experience has only deepened my conviction that our people are much more aware of White Nationalist concerns than some might think. If you create a safe and sympathetic environment, then listen, it is astonishing what you will hear. And like me, most of these people have been first exposed to these ideas by the system, not the movement.

Some of us despair because we will never be able to compete with the system’s diversity propaganda. But don’t White Nationalists believe that exposure to diversity inevitably creates ethnic hatred and conflict? If so, then by forcing diversity upon whites, the system is doing our work for us. And the propaganda is only getting more intense. I grew up in an overwhelmingly white community. My education was virtually untouched by political correctness. I was immune to white guilt. But still, I was past 30 when I finally arrived at White Nationalism. Today, I know fully-conscious, well-informed White Nationalist teenagers. Most of their education came from the system. The movement just provided the finishing touches.

I believe that America today is very much like Eastern Europe in the 1980s: a totalitarian system committed publicly to another version of the lie of egalitarianism. Like Communism, the American system is becoming increasingly hollow and brittle as more whites decide, in the privacy of their own minds, that equality is a lie, diversity is a plague, and the system is stacked against them. But they do not act on these convictions because they think that they are basically alone. If they slip, they know they will be persecuted, and nobody will come to their defense. (Nobody but those people.) But if the system’s ability to stifle dissent wavers long enough for people to realize that they are not alone, then things can change very quickly. And such changes hinge on moral factors, not information.

I am not denigrating movement efforts to educate the public. But information alone cannot produce conversion. Thus no question is more important for White Nationalists to crack than the psychology of conversion. I would be particularly interested to hear Kevin MacDonald’s thoughts on the matter, but all of us need to reflect on our own intellectual journeys. Our goal should be to develop a whole array of techniques to convert passive believers into active fighters. Information is the kindling, conversion the spark that will set the world ablaze.


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  1. AleCes
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Spot on! But I believe egoism and eccentricity are the fundamental flaws of this movement: I came here enthusiastically and volunteered to do whatever I could in order to further your cause and you basically shun me, don’t reply to my mails and delete 3/4 of my posts, often the most brilliant ones. Not really a warm welcome, is it? After all, a free-of-charge translator could come in handy for you, I don’t understand the motives behind your rejection. Broke yet gifted people like me are an asset for this movement because we’ve nothing to lose, we’re angry and we DO want to fight. Being mugged by diversity won’t necessarily bring about consensus for WN, because as you know, our instinct is to clam up or flight, never to take a stand and fight. It takes BALLS to do that, but most whites nowadays are sissies. So, the bottom line is: I’d like you to publish the tale of my conversion to WN, but be mindful that I’ll interpret deletion of this post as a banishment from your site, so in that case you won’t see me again. Short reckonings make long friends.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted December 18, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

      Look, there’s a lot going on in my life, and I don’t have the time to housebreak a new puppy, which is what you are acting like. You are trying to use this site like Stormfront, so perhaps you should post there.

      • AleCes
        Posted December 18, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

        Are you interested in publishing my journey to WN?

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted December 19, 2013 at 2:25 am | Permalink

          Send it on.

  2. Harold
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Though I consider myself more a Race Realist than a White Nationalist there is certainly some overlap. One of the strongest arguments for the return of race as a central element in identity is the presence of guilt in most people. The are taught to value diversity and have to a great extent internalized it but the great majority of Whites still do not live by the tenents of diversity. Most still socialize within their own race outside of work and even to a great extent within work. Housing patterns remain to a large extent segregated by race. White flight appears to be a perpetual phenomenon. Dating and marriage remain to a great extent intra-racial though the rates vary according to the possible combinations.

    So you have people who presumably have to a greater or lesser extent internalized diversity but do not live by it. Consequently this produces (or should at least) a good bit of guilt among normal Whites. We see this in the extreme reaction if accusations of ‘racism’ are made against others or themselves. If the accusation is made against others the response is either silence or jumping on the band wagon. If accusations are made against the subject then the response is either denial or engaging in self-debasement. Rarely in either case will anyone defend ‘racism’. Jumping on the band wagon or self-debasement indicate a fair amount of guilt. Ultimately un-addressed guilt is self-destructive and socially destructive and most people want to be freed from it. WN or Race Realism can offer to free people from that guilt.

    • Jamie
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

      I am not getting all this “guilt” stuff. I do not nor ever have felt any trace of guilt. I have nothing to feel guilt about and I have learned to embrace my inner racist. I love him and I found out he was created to protect me.

  3. Terremce Crowley
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    How to convert people to a White Nationalist way of thinking is something that I have always thought about … but I confess, a big part of me thinks that if you’re a white person of a certain age and you aren’t a White Nationalist, or at least have those ideological leanings, there’s no hope for you. People, especially so called conservatives have bought the nonsensical concept of the “melting pot” hook, line and sinker. In the US at least they see a blanket American identity – flag waving, hot-dog eating and freedom loving. In reality the much touted and romanticized melting pot is a multi-racial pressure cooker, the scum has boiled to the top, the lid is shaking and it’s ready to blow. So is talking logic – biological differences, demographic displacement of whites, etc. going to have any effect on the brainwashed masses that view any opposition to their judge a man by the content of their character credo as “racist” and “evil?”

    On a personal note, I became racially aware at an early age, a time before I began school. I remember seeing an old National Geographic film on TV that showcased the various savage tribes of Africa, while I probably didn’t grasp fully what I was seeing but after witnessing their backward practices of body scarring and tribal dancing I had an immediate understanding that they were very different from me and my people .

  4. Jim
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Excellent article as always. One thing I would be curious about is the extent to which the author was a “sports fan”. I used to see the film and tv industries as paramount in their propaganda effects intended to dilute and subvert white racial identity. But I’ve come to believe that the Sports Industry has a far more poisonous effect.

    If you want to see white sensibilities discreetly recognizing racial realities, look at “white flight”, movement away from cities and neighborhoods with sizeable ethnic populations. There is your “already knowing the basics” element at work. But very few white males (and increasingly, females) are without “their team” in football or basketball. I’ve known white men who would have killed to meet Michael Jordan, and seemed to imagine they were somehow his friend without having ever met him. The elevation to superhero (near God-like) status of black sports figures keeps an ideal before the white man of black superiority. These black men are of vital importance to the white sports fan, and they follow their career moves with keen interest.

    Even when the white man reacts with understandable concern to deteriorating social conditions, he has been in effect “inoculated” against clear and principled activity on behalf of his own race due to having internalized extreme respect and admiration for certain blacks. I would be interested in the stories of racially aware white men who were/are sports fanatics; how do you reconcile the two? Do you have difficulty divorcing yourself from your “favorite player”? Can white men be weaned off their sports (in terms of sports as entertainment, not as an activity)addiction?

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted December 18, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

      I never got into sports that much.

    • AleCes
      Posted December 18, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

      Negrophilia happens because of the loss of traditional white manhood, typified by the cowboy or the pater familias. Negro manhood is just based on the number of women you inseminate, total social irresponsibility, you can never beat the Negro at his own game. It’s also very important to understand the Negro overlord in Africa never faces any opposition from the underclass because they routinely slaughter each other over the crumbs instead of banding together in order to mount an insurgency: I’ve been there, the African city is made up of a tiny elite enjoying all the comforts and a sea of scum whose only dream is to make it out of the country. That’s why Negroes are the wet dream of the plutocracy: they’re nothing more than paper tigers, all talk and no walk.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 1:07 am | Permalink

      In partial reply to Jim, in blockquote:

      Even when the white man reacts with understandable concern to deteriorating social conditions, he has been in effect “inoculated” against clear and principled activity on behalf of his own race due to having internalized extreme respect and admiration for certain blacks.

      Yet, as the exceptions to the rule become fewer and fewer, the Rule becomes less of a rule, and more of a suggestion, with less power to bind than in the past. Tiger Woods was spoken of in tones of reverence; certain unmarketable Aspects of his persona came to the fore, became common knowledge, and the rest, as they say, is history.

      The first step is taking place – people are giving less and less support, less enthusiasm, less energy, less time, to what only ten years ago – centuries, in Internet time – was the de facto worship of black athletes as dieties. This addresses, in part, your next series of questions.

      I would be interested in the stories of racially aware white men who were/are sports fanatics; how do you reconcile the two?

      The reconciliation is seen where support for local sports – your son in Little League, your daughter in swimming and gymnastics – has the opportunity to blossom. There is less time for other “sports.” The exception, college sports, is nominal in their support for the sports per se. It is of much greater value as a networking tool, a commonly accepted conversation starter, to keep tabs with other alumni in the eternal job hunt.

      Do you have difficulty divorcing yourself from your “favorite player”?

      See Woods, Tiger. All too easy, and, indeed, the sport itself. The NBA seems to have actively recruited from thug life for years, and now face ever-declining ratings, and, worse, ever declining advertising revenue for the networks.

      The NFL is beginning to learn that lesson. If they adopted the Olympics drug testing protocol…

      Can white men be weaned off their sports (in terms of sports as entertainment, not as an activity)addiction?

      They are slowly leaving the sports focus, SportsCenter ratings notwithstanding, and are slowly starting to go their own way. Prediction: as the economy begins to REALLY fall apart, NBA support will decline precipitously, while Major League Baseball (and softball, for the young ladies) will grow as churches become community centers for the “extended families.”

      I’ve noticed a lot of our kids taking MMA style courses, notably California Pankration, Based on the original Olympics sport of pankration, the rules mandate no head shots, no head punches, no head-butting. Think there’s a reason for this?

      Hell, these kids wouldn’t know Kobe Bryant from Anita Bryant.

      • Jim
        Posted December 19, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

        Thanks for a thoughtful and optimistic reply. In conversation with fellow white men, usually in their ‘thirties through ‘fifties, I’ve seen their eyes glaze over when talking about certain black sports “heroes”…well, let’s just say it’s damned discouraging. But I do think a lot of this nonsense will be jettisoned when the economic house of cards starts to fall. If the sh-t really hits the fan, some of these men are going to have to get more serious about a range of issues, some of them pressingly immediate. Thanks for your take on the subject.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted December 20, 2013 at 2:17 am | Permalink

        Jim in blockquote:

        Thanks for a thoughtful and optimistic reply. In conversation with fellow white men, usually in their ‘thirties through ‘fifties, I’ve seen their eyes glaze over when talking about certain black sports “heroes”…well, let’s just say it’s damned discouraging.

        They will be the culls of evolution. The look in their eyes is the step right before the “beaten dog” look they show when they are driving home, and do not want to go home. Essentially, absent a change in thinking, their lives are all but over. When their jobs are removed from their lives, they will see all too clearly what false hero worship means to them. They will need a positive alternative to rebuild their life with. That’s where Roissy comes to the fore. And, as the Masculine Warrior Aspect of the Dark Enlightenment, Roissy opens the door to the one thing the Dark Enlightenment does not have yet – a metapolitical analysis based round a positive theory of Race as a social organizing principle.

        But I do think a lot of this nonsense will be jettisoned when the economic house of cards starts to fall. If the sh-t really hits the fan, some of these men are going to have to get more serious about a range of issues, some of them pressingly immediate. Thanks for your take on the subject.

        Just so. The group sports are for the drones – they are tools of minimizing the Individual, forcing them to derive their Identity from sources Others control. When the artificial support dissolves, they will look to their version of Project Mayhem – Roissy offers the foundation.

        The Elite, on the other hand, focus on individual sports, where they have CONTROL over the outcomes, and their response TO the outcomes. This is the manifestation of personal responsibility, which is the necessary prerequisites for true personal effectiveness.

        Harold Covington gave us a masterful insight when he noted those who are fleeing (for their lives!) to the area that will one day be occupied by the Northwest Republic are ALREADY part of the Racially Conscious Community. They simple have not found the analytical framework that makes this acceptable to them. That’s what we are doing; BUGS as a political foundation, the Northwest Republic as the overarching political framework, and counter-currents as the metapolitical foundation for their endeavors.

        Besides, their children are attending schools where the vibrance knows they have the whip hand, and, of necessity, must learn the basics of MMA, or fall to the hyenas of the urban jungle.

  5. mrdislaw
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    “Information” alone may not produce a conversion but many times it serves the very useful purpose of affirming that one’s conversion was not only morally right but ineluctable. A while back I was in a big box grocery store and I got in the checkout line with only one shopper ahead of me. That shopper, however, was Black as was her boyfriend and the cashier. She didn’t have that many items but I did note the six gallons of milk and five bottles of orange juice…curious. The shopper was obese and her friend morbidly so.

    I was then regaled with stories of the shopper’s and the cashier’s babies’ birthdays, Christmas presents, feeding schedules, etc. The shopper was clutching a stack of what appeared to be large checks. As the cashier tallied the items, she would periodically stop, then total several of the items; the shopper would then hand her one of the “checks” which was used to pay for those processed items. This required the signatures of both the shopper and the cashier. After that was completed, the procedure was repeated…several more items and one more “check.” This took place no less, perhaps more, than five times.

    When this ordeal was concluded, and I checked out leaving the 10 or so angry shoppers behind me in the line, I asked my college-age daughter about the “checks.” She informed me that they were not checks but WIC vouchers which are used for the payment of foods by persons eligible for welfare with infant children. Thus, confirmed in one instance on one evening was my rejection of egalitarianism, illegal immigration, subsidization of out-of-wedlock births, multiculturalism, White displacement, cultural decline and the ubiquitous brutish behavior of certain ethnic minorities.

    No, I was not converted, but this certainly steeled my resolve to assist in some way to end this madness. The best part of this, as a father, was to engage in the ensuing discussion with my daughter about how this will affect her future as a White woman. Perhaps she will carry this message to her friends. Like tossing a rock into the pond…the rock disappears, but the ripples on the water are seen.

  6. phil white
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Probably most people are at least mildly xenophobic. We are born that way.
    Thus I wasn’t coverted to WN. I was born one. I’m a more extreme case but I think maybe 5% of people are born as much WN as I was.
    I remember voting for Gerald Ford desperately hoping he would do something about immigration etc. I was 34.
    It has been said that only 3 to 5 % of people are independant thinkers. These are people who will hunt down facts on their own and mull the information over to come to independant conclusions.
    The psychologist also say that some where between 20 and 30% of people can be convinced orthodoxy is wrong if someone among the 3% gives then the relevant facts and presents a reasonable rational argument.
    But the other 70% or so will only change their opinion from the formerly ruling orthodoxy when they sense the consensus around them is changing.
    Edward Bernays, on the very first page of his book “Propaganda” basiclly implies that most people have to be conformist or society could never achieve stability.
    If all of us were born free thinkers civilization would be in constant caos.
    There are historical times like now though, when a hostile foreign elite has seized control of media and education, that the conformist trait gets the tribe into trouble.
    I would recommend reading books like “Propaganda” and “How To Win Friends and Influence People” then just go out and talk to people.

  7. Lord Kitchener
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    “Thus I wasn’t coverted to WN. I was born one. I’m a more extreme case but I think maybe 5% of people are born as much WN as I was.”

    This is my story as well: from my earliest recollections I was repulsed and revolted by the presence of negroids (at a time when they were about the only racial minority that existed) so it is rather alien to think of being “converted” to white racial awareness. For me, I was no more converted to racial awareness than I was converted to perceiving the colors of the skies and trees, or converted to the sound of thunder, or rain, or the wind whispering through the leaves. I simply was.

    So the task of converting, or “training” those to see what I have always seen, with effortless ease, is probably far more difficult than we realize, which would explain the essential failure of the white nationalist movement up to this date. Personally, I think that each individual is born with either a low, medium, or high “aversion” to non-whites, that it is a genetic-based, in-built resistance to “the other” – and that lacking such a built-in aversion can basically doom someone to being a confirmed multiculturalist for life. As some of you may have recently heard, a university study has determined that leaning towards Republican (or Democrat) beliefs is genetically-based. If so, then why not one’s racial beliefs? And if THAT is the case, it may well be that those with in-born high-aversion towards racial minorities may be just as uncommon as those with (like myself) high IQ’s.

    • Kilroy
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

      I would like to point out that aversion to non whites is not necessarily the only reason for becoming a nationalist. In my own case, I would have to deny that I have much of that, having always been very curious and friendly toward non whites. What does bother me is that european civilization is alone in being submerged in other peoples, and if present trends continue we will be lucky to survive as a genetic vestige. To me WN represents the best hope there is of saving and hopefully continuing one of the world’s great cultures. Other races are good, other races are great, but we europeans were once number one.
      I think that people like me represent a vast untapped public for the WN message.

      • Greg Johnson
        Posted December 19, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

        This is a good point. I was aware of racial differences when I was very young. But I was not repulsed by them. Quite the opposite, I was fascinated by them. I inhereted a vast collection of National Geographic magazines, and I was very interested in geography and physical and cultural anthropology and ancient history, starting in my childhood. So I think that I was a classic low-ethnocentrism white. Christian Lander lists one of the things that white people like as knowing a lot about other people’s cultures. That was me.

        But I also knew a lot about my own culture, and I remember when I realized, at the age of 11, after spending a long time studying the Italian Renaissance (renewing the same library books over and over), that primitive Oceanic art did nothing for me by comparison to European art, I which I included Egyptian, Assyrian, and Persian art, but especially Greek, Roman, and European art from the Renaissance on.

        The key to converting low-ethnocentrism whites is to stress that their sentiments are perfectly functional when they are reciprocated, for they are one of the conditions of creating large, complex, high-trust societies. But when they are not reciprocated, they allow aliens to exploit us in the worst sort of way: by making our virtues into liabilities, which undermines the trust at the foundation of our civilization.

        One of the reasons why the Left is far more adept at creating functioning institutions is the fact that white leftists are high-trust/low ethnocentrism individuals. The Right, however, is filled with low-trust/high ethnocentrism indiviudals. Indeed, the far Right is filled with outright paranoiacs. This is why I try to avoid conspiracy theories and conspiracy mongers. The slightest whiff of paranoid ideation will cause comments and articles to be rejected and relationships to be put on ice or ended altogether. We simply cannot create a growing movement out of low-trust and contentious individuals.

  8. AG
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    I was raised in an environment- Baptist family in the Appalachian foothills- where realism concerning race, including the Jew, was simply a matter of common sense and was, as far as I could tell, what every normal, healthy person knew.

    The spark leading to the *conviction* that I CAN and MUST do something was a result of a brief 180 day period of ‘proximity,’ but not just in the negative sense. Indeed, it does breed contempt for whom it is due, but for me it also stimulated a certain undeniable degree of compassion for all those deceived & defiled white people one encounters along the edges. A pitiful lot, indeed.

    A mutil-generational perspective towards family had already been developed by this point and it was really only a small yet vital step to include an authentic “love for the brethren” once the question was answered as to who constituted my true brothers and sisters.

    That was 10 years ago. The informational/educational process came as a result of the spark and led to a re-evaluation of numerous presuppositions, such as capitalism & Christianity.

    I’ve come to discard much along the way but have gained infinitely more during the process, in terms of Spirit, Truth and, above all, Identity. I know who I am, I know where I come from, and I know what I must do, not for my sake but for the sake of my family and my folk. And yes, I also came to realize that I do have enemies and I know who they are but they are not my primary concern, at this time.

    To the best of my ability I now use all this as a form of ‘witness’ among those I encounter on a daily basis, and have seen significant results primarily from small business owners and those of the conservative persuasion, but it doesn’t happen in a flash…it takes time, tact & repetition.

    My .02.

    And Merry Christmas, Infidels!

  9. Fisherman
    Posted December 18, 2013 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    I never felt any aversion to or concern about the present system until about 2003, the time of the Iraq war. I sincerely accepted the premises of equal opportunity and justice for all regardless of race, nationality, or gender. It was the shameless, transparently false, bald faced lies regarding Iraq, WMDs and the complicity of the media that shook me. It was just too much to swallow. Had I been paying closer attention or a deeper thinker I may have noticed something was amiss much sooner. Reading and thinking about what was happening in the news at the time led me to doubt the validity of much of our history and I became curious about the motives of the lost causes of the past from our own Confederacy to the Germans’. Had I not had this breakdown in confidence I don’t think anything I read would have made a bit of difference. Sadly I was not a member of Dr. Pierce’s “thinking, perceptive” minority of Americans who could see through the nonsense, until I was confronted with the massive media fraud. It became obvious even to me at that point the media was controlled and being used to whip up war fever when there was obviously no cause.

  10. Cameron
    Posted December 19, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    “But don’t White Nationalists believe that exposure to diversity inevitably creates ethnic hatred and conflict? If so, then by forcing diversity upon whites, the system is doing our work for us.”

    This is true in my case. Only 10% of my class is white (excluding Jews, who are about 40% of the class), and because of this I have always been racially conscious to a certain extent. However, before my conversion, my outlook resembled tepid, racially-tinged conservatism more than it did genuine White Nationalism, partly because I was hesitant to identify with White Nationalists and partly because I wasn’t very passionate about the cause anyway. Counter-Currents was really what converted me. I would describe my conversion as a gradual, but dramatic shift in my worldview. It’s intuitive on some levels. I don’t think I completely understood it while it was happening, but somehow I went from Ron Paul to Savitri Devi.

    On another note: Greg, do you know any WN teens who live in NYC? It is hard to find like-minded individuals here.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 2:23 am | Permalink

      I know some 20-somethings in NYC. Contact me at [email protected].

    • AleCes
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 8:05 am | Permalink

      It’s nice to know people growing up in a hostile non-white environment still feel loyalty and attachment to their own race, I’d rather think such places are the grave of white consciousness, yet it happened the same to me: it was diversity to mug him into WN. My racial consciousness was awakened in Africa, before I used to be a conventional weak white guy who really bought into the tale that whites are the culprits for the evil of Africa and that we had to atone for it and contribute to their development. Now I know better, by tomorrow my journey to WN should be available, I hope Greg will publish it.

  11. Vick
    Posted December 19, 2013 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    Because the fortunes of WN are tied to future events that can’t be predicted very well, WN is necessarily long term oriented. Which means that unless the next generation and the one after that gets onboard there will be no WN. Thus, a significant, if not most, WN activist energy should be put towards communicating to white youth. I think the best way to do this communicating is through the creation of a subculture which speaks to them through emotion as well as reason. For example, edgy, cutting humor can be so much more efficient than the best written essays.

    But to focus on the question of conversion more closely: white youth need real world “safe spaces” to be publicly pro-white. I think college campuses are ideal places for this and the white student union movement is the vehicle. Get dozens and then hundreds of them established, and in just one or two generations, a much more serious, complex, and powerful pro-white movement will emerge.

    • AleCes
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 8:37 am | Permalink

      Dear Vick,

      I do believe that if people like me can be converted to WN, then every other white can, and I was converted by reality, not by a preacher, I believe there are many other people who know we’re going into extinction but we lack a subculture, as you put it, there are no political, cultural or religious forces catering to our feelings. If these institutions do reach a critical mass, you’ll be astonished to see how many people think as we do.

  12. Holmgang
    Posted December 19, 2013 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    If we want to convert more people to the WN, Alt Right, Traditionalist and reactionary message, then we need to have a clear and consistent message. Furthermore, this message has to stay on point and we must keep hammering it until it reaches a critical mass.

    The tipping point to conversion for the average white person today is the lunacy of political correctness. Most of our people in candid conversations cite PC– the hallmark of cultural Marxism as where their patience with the modern world is being tested. Pointing out the hypocrisy of PC and its’ absurdities is one area we can make significant gains in reversing the tide. PC is the mortar that holds together the foundation of Marxist anti-white culture. It is reaching its peak. Therefore, PC is offending the sensiblities of the largest number of our people. Attack PC for the lie it is and always has been. Force the suppossed Religion of Tolerance to live and die by its own beliefs. It is the most visible and ridiculous tool used by our people’s enemies. Use their methods against them. Isolate, ridicule and exploit those that expouse the lies. Link our campaign of truth back to movement websites that will provide our people the courage to combat the twisted reality that PC represents.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

      I agree with you. One of the best tools for undermining PC are those ubiquitous images of Facebook with two images side by side illustrating some outrage or absurdity, such as during the government shutdown, when Obama allowed illegal aliens to use the Washignton Mall for a protest but turned away American citizens from Federal parks and monuments. It takes a fine-grained, detail-oriented, pointillistic, rhetorical genius to craft these.

      • Posted December 21, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

        I’ve sent this quote to a gazillion people:

        “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

        Theodore Dalrymple

  13. Podsnap
    Posted December 19, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink


    You have a real knack of juryrigging diverse intellectual sources for your own purposes. Great post.

    Your article relates to converting the mainstream but I think the main priority should be mobilising the semi-converted.

    I imagine your website and similar ‘red pill’ alt right websites have literally tens of thousands of readers. How many converts do you need before something happens ? A million ? The Bolsheviks took over Russia with a handful.

    Rather you need to mobilise the thousands you have and then people will follow them. The overwhelming issue is the tremendous high jump it takes for people to publicly admit their beliefs. Once a visible number of people publicly do so then the stigma will go and people will come out of the closet.

    The problem for converts is simply that there is nowhere to go once you have been converted. The few options seem to be to contribute monetarily and perhaps to go to some conferences or meetups (I’m not in the US so I’m not even sure of the availability of these – my impression from the lack of comment about these is that they don’t happen). Other than that the sign of deeper involvement is to read more and more blog posts and make more and more comments, all of which goes absolutely nowhere.

    I am surely not the first to remark that this lack of a positive outlet causes is hair splitting doctrinal disputes. And what is attendance at a conference anyway but the absorption of more information. Lack of information is not the problem (as you say in your post) – lack of a positive outlet is. Positive activity will bond converts together strongly (ever been part of a football team ?) – this is the point of the activity rather than any actual positive results.

    Of course the problem with outlets is that the more obvious ones involve breaking the law. And of course I would never recommend such actions. As an alternative I would suggest forms of group based mockery of progressives.

    The weak point of the elite is that they are very vulnerable to mockery, for a number of reasons –
    1. most of what they advocate is contrary to common sense
    2. they are hypocrites (‘good for thee but not for me”)
    3. they have been in power for a long time – and all ruling classes are susceptible to mockery from the underdogs

    The other advantage of mockery is that no alternatives need to be postulated – opposition to the mountain of bullshit erected by the elite is enough. This will encourage converts to go public as they will not need to actually engage in thought-crime. For example affirmative action is very easy to mock, without necessarily going into the harder edged territory of IQ differences.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted December 19, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

      I like the way you are thinking. We need bands of merry WN pranksters in every state and metropolitan area. Just be careful that it does not degenerate into Project Mayhem.

      Another good thing for the younger guys to do is martial arts training.

  14. Jaego
    Posted December 19, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Superb point about the Conservative Movement being filled with low trust individuals. It really drives home your idea that Liberals would make better White Nationalists than many Conservatives if they just woke up.

    In terms of American Regionalism, the Scots-Irish and the Cavaliers are more violent than the Puritan areas. But traditionally, Puritan cooperation and self discipline often lead to victory in war. Needless to say, the old Puritans would not agree with the modern policy of disarming the people.

    • Holmgang
      Posted December 20, 2013 at 2:14 am | Permalink

      Don’t be so sure of your statement on Puritan thought Jaego. Our current predicament is exacerbated by the Puritanical way of thinking that has been passed on through the generations. The Puritan approach to correcting bad thought and behaviour is being used in modern times against our brethren. Where as I agree wholeheartedly with those in our movement that see today’s PC as a spawn of the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School. I also believe it is the formerly Puritan regions of the US where this type of thought control has gained it’s foothold. Basically New England and the upper Midwest. Wouldn’t you agree these are hotbeds for liberal ideology in both our society and culture. As I stated in my earlier post, PC thought has reached its zenith in absurdity. Its’ promoters use the same methods in their anti-gun campaigns. It has become a religion. One fraught with its own form of attacks on heretics and blasphemers. Many of the PC crowd hold public shunnings of individuals in the media not dissimilar to the witch trials of the late 1600’s. The only thing missing is burning their intended targets at the stake. At least not yet.

      • Jim
        Posted December 20, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

        This recognition of the survival of a Puritan group ethic is suggestive. The cosmological underpinnings of the faith the Puritans had being largely replaced by science and pragmatism, the social need for a publicly held sacred consensus still remained. The new faith of “equality” and the “benefits” of multi-culturalism is peculiarly resistant to contrary evidence. Standing right in the ruins of our cities, surveying the results of “achievement gaps” and “disadvantage”, the True Believer, no longer enforcing a sexual morality, or sense of self-responsibility, has nevertheless invested all his Faith (and it IS faith) in a belief in a mythical, but canonical, “equality”. Cynics may have planted these seeds of wishful-thinking egalitarianism, but modern day Puritans nurture, sow and actually reap them. Today’s Puritan agreed-upon, commonly held “morality” is PC-ism.

      • Jaego
        Posted December 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

        Oh I agree. PC is a new religion – a bastard born of degenerate Christianity and Marxism. But the Puritans were very gifted people – as are their descendants to our chagrin. The old Puritans would be appalled to see what they have become and would feel more kinship with the Duck Dynasty. The communalism of the Old Puritans – and the German groups of the Midwest, have become the Socialist centers of Liberal Power. The “If” they awaken is a very big if indeed. The main point was that we have to embody some of the aspects of their group culture if we want to win.

  15. Verlis
    Posted December 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m very pleased to see this article. I’ve long held that what matters isn’t so much as “the truth” itself, rather that that truth be considered important, that it become a matter of prime focus. After all, an entomologist could wow me with all sorts of sociobiological “truths” about ants and bees but, unless he gave me damn good reason to, I’d scarcely even begin to care about anything he’s saying. The same effect on the mainstream occurs when WNs bust out the dendrograms and the genetic principal component analyses that assume to tell us just how closely related we are to various racial groups; if it doesn’t seem creepy it’s at least so much ado about nothing. Fundamentally, a man has to first care a little about his racial existence before scientific findings related to it become of any interest to him. The “news and Jews” and “crime and IQ” (to use the BUGSers language) focus is typically of more immediate concern, but absent a pro-self racial framework it too often comes across as no more than alarmist rabble-rousing, or effects to be explained away in terms of “white racism.”

    Yet to whites who place great value on their racial belonging, the facts do matter, and they often matter tremendously. Indeed the facts can matter so much that they take on a life of their own. With this reasoning in mind I tend to see WN efforts to recruit people to the cause on the basis of “the truth” as failing in four distinct ways, which I think of as “the four fallacies.”

    (1) “Race is wrong , therefore everything is wrong. ” The most dedicated activists are the most affected by the racial environment. Since nothing is or has been going the right way for whites for at least five decades it’s quite common for WNs to develop an overwhelming disgust – not uncommonly assuming the form of outright depression – for every aspect of the world we live in. Nothing is good; everything sucks. Most non-WNs, however, do not share such feelings and cannot relate to them. For them, whatever problems can be identified do not detract from the greater whole to anywhere near the degree that WNs claim.

    (2) “Inferior, therefore hateworthy.” Science proves that race is real and that other races are hopelessly inferior compared to whites. Whether one wishes to “do” anything about races, the only appropriate attitude towards them is disdain. This line of thought runs into trouble from the get-go, since virtually everybody knows at least one person whom they are very fond of yet whom they would, if forced, describe as “inferior.” Moreover, everyone knows of whites who are complete losers, whom it’s absurd to think of as representing some sort of supreme racial beings.

    (3) “Race, therefore war.” Not only is the white race real and not only does it matter, it matters so much that the very existence of other races represents an intolerable threat, one that simply must be extirpated. Such thinking, needless to say, plays right into the hands of the anti-white system, which for many years has conditioned people to believe that only ill can result from pro-white racial sentiment.

    (4) The one-fell-swoop fallacy. Whites are in dire straits and time to rectify matters is running short. Desperation causes some to hope for quick fixes such as citing what they regard as key racial facts and expecting audiences to immediately jump on board as a result. Audiences that don’t immediately jump on board are dismissed as “sheep” or “lemmings.” Failure to thus bring people on board results in feelings that the situation is hopeless.

    • AleCes
      Posted December 21, 2013 at 7:06 am | Permalink

      Dear Verlis,

      Me too, I’d have dismissed WNs as nuts and their four assumptions as follies, but now I know better and I firmly believe in these four assumptions: it is true that everything sucks in the world today; it is true that no matter how polite some of them might be to us, taken as a whole, they hate us; it is true that a hideous race war is ahead of us; it is true that that when a sizable portion of whites will be awoken, it might be already too late.

      I believe that preaching isn’t enough: you’ve got to undergo an internal collapse of our age’s Weltanschaung, you’ve got to realize that this world sucks indeed, only then you’ll be ready for conversion. The best way to undergo this shock is being mugged by diversity and since diversity is only likely to increase, we’re likely to gain more and more converts as the time goes by.

    • Jim
      Posted December 21, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

      To Verlis: very good diagnosis. But what about the prognosis, and prescription? I would like to read a follow-up from you with your ideas about how to negate these fallacies, and appeal successfully to potential WNs. I think many WNs presently believe (I tend to fall into this camp) that absent a rather large crisis, like widespread economic collapse, whites will just continue on with their current mind-set and m.o., most remaining “unconverted” as we continue to decrease in number and lose power as a people.

  16. Ales
    Posted December 23, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    How necessary is conversion? Is it really worth the effort to try and “convert” people? It’s not as if political movements need massive numbers of people to be successful. Look at Zionism the real hardcore Zionists don’t make up that big a percentage of Americans but they have been very successful politically. Same thing with a lot of other political movements. It takes a strong and dedicated core, a pathetic disorganized mass of people is often just dead weight. The kind of people that we would need to “convert” are probably not the kind of people we need.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted December 23, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

      I never claimed we need to convert everyone. I agree that history is made by minorities. This is the formulation I used in my interview with Alex Kurtagic:

      If we can persuade 5% of our people of the truth of our cause and get another 20% to identify with the program in essentially irrational or sub-rational ways, we can dominate the rest. Perhaps we can win the loyalty of 50% by delivering prosperity, security, and peace. Even if 25% can never get with the program, no matter what we do, because they have innate predispositions to reject it, they would just have to grumble and put up with the New Order. If their attitudes are genetic, then our eugenics program can target those traits and try to make them less prevalent in every future generation.

      These numbers are arbitrary, but I think they communicate an important truth: a small minority of true believers, if it wins the allegiance of a somewhat larger minority of people who merely hold the right opinions without good reasons, can dominate the whole of society, essentially buy the loyalty of the majority, and completely disempower its die-hard opponents.

      The real question for me is how to gain that second group, the larger minority of people who hold the right opinions but not necessarily for rational reasons. That is why metapolitics has to go beyond reason—beyond philosophy, beyond science—and engage myth, religion, and art.

      • Ales
        Posted December 23, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

        The thing I found most interesting about your comment was your stance on genetics and eugenics. The assertion that there may be a genetic basis for political attitudes is an idea that has occurred to me before. I have obviously always noticed that all the political positions people like ourselves tend to dislike…Jews tend to like. This is so glaringly obvious that often times I would read about some person’s political beliefs and sure enough when I check it out my suspicions were confirmed. However this could be explained by cultural influence as much as anything else…but then I read about a woman who was half Jewish genetically but raised by complete gentiles. She ended up having the same political opinions as most other Jews. I started to notice this even more how even people who had for whatever reason been raised in complete gentile environments if they had Jewish genetics tended to gravitate towards the same opinions. I’m sure this is not just true for Jews but other ethnic groups and subgroups as well…and it works in good ways too. Lots of guys seem to share their fathers and grandfathers politically incorrect opinions even if they were raised in totally PC environments (such as myself).

        Since ideas are a product of neuro-anatomy and neuro-anatomy is a product of genetics I suppose it makes sense that there could be a genetic basis for political views.

        As for eugenics programs I don’t really know if that is something worthwhile. It reminds me of leftist psychopaths who say that they want to go into people’s brains and “fix” their “racism.” Way too invasive. I prefer voluntary eugenics and self-segregation as a means of genetic improvement rather than trying to restrict reproduction.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted December 25, 2013 at 3:54 am | Permalink

          If our tastes in colors, foods, music, etc. are genetically based, then it seems plausible that our political inclinations would be so as well.

          Every society practices selective breeding in one form or another. Even societies that leave reproductive choices entirely up to the individual are engaged in a particular kind of selection, for in such a society, the responsible and foresighted voluntarily restruct their fertility, but the selfish and careless do not, which means that every subsequent generation will be more selfish and irrepsonsible.

          So the question is not whether to have a selective breeding program, but merely which kind: do we select for positive traits or negative ones?

          An ideal eugenics program would simply give people incentives to breed or not to breed based on their genetic traits. In a White Nationalist society, if we discovered that there was an irreducible population of sullen and hostile people who rejected the system, and they had certain genetic traits in common, we could (1) encourage such people to emigrate, and (2) give such people incentives not to reproduce. Through the application of such gentle pressures over a couple of generations, congenital malcontents would become a vanishingly small group.

  17. Maple Leaf
    Posted December 24, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    It could prove interesting and serve as a teaching tool for everyone, if people expressed what it was that maybe tip the balance regarding their understanding or conversion to WN.
    Nothing long and drawn out, just something maybe even quirky that suddenly clicked in and the old veil dropped….so to speak!
    For me, I’ve had a long drawn out battle with religion, mainly Christian with a little Hinduism on the side, and one day I was thinking about what the hell happened for Saul to become Paul. I might have been drinking at the time, and then the shoe dropped, ( or sandal ) that it was in fact an amazing political move to protect his Jewish faith from the pagans, by introducing a Jewish guy as their God and condemning their worship of anything else as sinful. His road to Damascus
    was his Ah ha moment, and we’ve been living with it ever since.
    So the worm turned, and all the people I’ve mentioned it to were either indifferent or thought the devil at finally got me via the drink!
    I quite drinking 7 months ago, and the worm is still turning!

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted December 25, 2013 at 3:45 am | Permalink

      I would like to publish a whole series of articles on “White Awakenings.”

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