Counter-Currents
Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 26
Greg Johnson, Kevin MacDonald, & Matt Parrott
Round Table on Secession
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Greg Johnson, Kevin MacDonald, and Matt Parrott discuss a number of topics:
- Kevin MacDonald’s article “Disenfranchised White Males: Time for Secession“
- The reaction to this article in Foreign Policy
- The prospects for secession from the United States
- The lines along which the United States could break up
- The course of events that could lead to secession
- Blue state secessionism
- Open expressions of anti-white hatred after the recent US elections
- The psychology and voting patterns of East and South Asian immigrants in America
- Gregory Hood’s “A White Nationalist Memo to White Male Republicans“
- Reasons for optimism about the future of whites in North America
30 comments
I’m lovin these roundtables Greg. I think it’s a great idea. Hope it’s a regular feature. Also, as an aside, not sure what’s up with VOR but I love that you’ve picked up their programs and I hope they stay on Counter Currents. How about bringing over Father Raphael Johnson’s Orthodox Nationalist program? I really enjoy his stuff and he seems a good fit on Counter Currents. Keep up the good work. Catch ya later.
We asked Fr. Johnson to join us, but he was taking the disappearance of VOR as an opportunity for him to work on some writing projects. We will keep asking him, though, in case he wants to resume podcasting. I don’t think he appreciates how much people valued his show and how much they miss it.
Thanks for asking Fr Johnson. I learned a lot from his lectures. Love to hear him again.
He was a brilliant thinker with well-thought out, well informed and always fascinating information being presented on his podcast. He may be the best source for Russian and Slavic Orthodox thought this side of Dugin. If he doesn’t resume his podcast, I’m sure love to see his writing published on CC.
@Dominion: Matt Johnson still IS a brilliant thinker. We’re just not getting access to that here, yet. Maybe Greg could ask Fr. Johnson if it’s possible to mount a selection of his “best stuff” at C-C Radio. Maybe Fr. Johnson, if he agrees, could help select those.
One of my favorites was his talk about Heidegger’s “Building Dwelling Thinking”, which Matt summarized as a “Metaphysics of Place”. It opened whole new doors for me, as well as a lot of reading work. What joy!
Another vote for RMJ here! I’m not even a Christian and I found his Orthodox Nationalist podcasts to be a cerebral plunge into a fascinating corner of European history and moral philosophy that I had never been exposed to before. I miss him, he made me really think about a lot of things… and he made me spend a lot of time researching people and topics that I had never heard of before.
The potential addition of Dr. Johnson to the pod-cast programme would be a good thing; his discourses on cultural preservation & critique of our current European condition are second to none.
I’m also enjoying these roundtable discussions. Some really great ideas get aired between the participants. I was especially interested in Matt Parrott’s mention of the possibility of various National Anarchist-like groups emerging across the country in a way reminiscent of our religious Great Awakening in the 18th century…but maybe I’m just a history nerd.
Great format, great show. It’d be great to hear one on economic issues & social credit – any plans to cover that topic at all? Probably enough material for several shows there actually…
Also, how about a show that consists of authors reading one of their essays? Maybe one that they or CC’s think are important? Actually it’d be nice if audio versions of most essays were produced as it’s often easier to find time to listen whilst doing other things… But that might be expecting too much.
On another point, there’s a newish message on VOR purporting to be by Mike Conner saying ‘VOR is Coming Back’. Just wondering if Greg knows anything about it? Whether they’ve been in contact? And what it might mean for CC’s podcasts?
1. Thanks for your kind words.
2. We have done audio versions of some of our essays. They are embedded in the older CC Radio shows. I plan to also to put up stand alone versions linked with the original articles. I just need to find the time.
3. I plan to do a lot more about economics in 2013.
4. If VoR comes back, that will not alter our plans. We are still launching a new network, and we have many new shows in development, awaiting the debut of the new website.
I’m more apt to agree with Mr. Parrott rather than Mr. Johnson as it pertains to optimism regarding the majority of white Americans.
I think we stand a chance of carving out a new homeland with a small minority of passionate whites who have idealism and the resources to rebuild.
But the overwhelming majority of whites are so embedded within the system that unemployment, racial degradation, and any other sort of humiliation will not pry them from the multicultural cesspool that America is destined to become.
Our race has become too corrupted by affluence, we must take the good apples and let the rest rot down to nothing.
Or … we can “carve out” MANY new homelands inside the space called “the USA”, inside the corrupt shell that currently claims sovereignty as “USGov”. Many little new & healthy shells, shell-tering us and connecting us all via the rhizome qualities implicit in the pervasiveness of the new media.
Rhazib Khan mentioned Indians vote Democrat even though they ought to be open to the GOP message because of their wealth. He wrote they perceive Republicans as an existential threat.
Another fascinating top notch show.
This crisis in the Republican party is certainly an opportunity for american nationalists,as it creates a type of vacuum in the system.
However, efforts should be made to convert liberals as well. My own experience has shown me that this is not impossible. Having grown up in a neighbourhood in central Canada that votes almost entirely for the New Democratic Party, I can say that liberalism is almost like an ethnic enculturation. Some of what I learned I still hold dear; environmentalism, antizionism, vegetarianism, social programs, antiwar stance, interest in foreign cultures etc… All of these I have carried with me onto the far right. However, to this day, Republicans still seem incomprehensible to me, almost as if they were a different species.
The only stumblingblock for a typical left/ liberal to get over is a belief in the goodness of diversity and assimilation, racial guilt, hyperindividualism, and human interchangability. As I never really found these things aesthetically pleasing, the transition to the far right was a seamless one.
When I discuss this stuff with a liberal, I always throw down the fact that if we allow ourselves to become a minority and then blend in to this hodge podge, it will mean the end of one of the world’s great cultures and races, and the end of real social cohesion (citing Putnam). This does get a reaction.
I would not even know where to begin trying to convert a republican.
I just finished reading Ezra Pound’s Impact Essays on ignorance and the decline of American Civilization. He goes on and on about usury and then it finally clicked. The banks. That is how you talk to a conservative. We still have The Bank of Canada as a public organization although harper dear probably would like to privatize it. But it is the only thing that has kept Canada from the bank mess the states are in. Through the Green Revolt website I found the connection to global resistance which Dugin is involved with. They had a link to The Canadian Action Party who seem to be most concerned about Canadian Sovereignty than any other party and especially the role of the Bank of Canada and why are we paying so much interest on loans. We would not have to if our federal bank was used properly. That is as far as I got. I signed up for their newsletter to see how they present all this. I think they are very careful about racial issues, but that is to be expected in Canada. With every conservative I have ever talked to, it always comes round to money. (and I do not mean that as an exchange between male and female) Taxes and reducing the debt.
I had the similar experience, in Windsor Ontario, which of course is very much like Detroit anyway. Coming from the working class, the NDP made more sense to me, the “Progressive” Conservatives seemed alien.
I think that “White Nationalism” could be very easily re-formatted as “European Socialism” with no loss of content and a lot more appeal. The Democrats have always been the party of the White working man, hence dominating the postwar South and the immigrant centers of the North. The Repubs are the party of the northern plutocrats, like Romney.
Speilberg is quoted about his Lincoln movie to the effect that “It was interesting to show the Republicans being the good guys.” There’s the Judaic motive in a nutshell. Take over the unions, take over the party, convert it into identity politics, and you have the modern Democrats.
As long as Obama promotes AA, gay marriage and free birth control, the “liberals” don’t care about civil liberties, wars for Israel, or even the economy. Not one banker has gone to jail, and “Obamacare” is compulsory insurance bailout for the industry, not single payer healthcare.
On the other hand, notice how the Repubs are always saying “Let’s not be like Europe!” Same thing, no healthcare, no bankers hanged. The only difference, Obama does better with the handouts [I see Romney figured that out after the election].
National Health Insurance and Banker to Jail = Iceland/Sweden, hence implicitly White.
Back to Archie Bunker! Notice: White union guy, but ‘evil’ because he’s ‘racist’ ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobic’. A lifelong and typical Democrat, but the polar opposite of today’s Democrat base.
We need to get people to understand that National Health Care, End the Fed, Close the Borders and End Wars for Israel are the SAME side. Promoting “Be like Iceland” is implicitly and effectively promoting “Be White.”
I looked into the Canadian Action Party as well. They seem alright but their literature is kind of ungramatical at times. Without having a proofreader a political party, I think, is going nowhere. It’s too bad that this country’s long history of social credit parties came to nothing and fizzled out.
I’ve often thought that republicans were all about money and economics too but they seem intensely idealistic about fighting wars for Israel (and freedom too of course). I’ve seen them on TV, I can’t figure them out.
I think that “White Nationalism” could be very easily re-formatted as “European Socialism” with no loss of content and a lot more appeal.
I think you’re right. It’s an excellent idea, but how long until people notice European Socialism is pretty close to National Socialism?
I would not even know where to begin trying to convert a republican. The keyword here Kilroy is where to begin. My dream is to be able to go down to the local coffee shop and talk about the latest offering on C-C. As you are finding out while it is easy to expand from 100 to 101 the biggest hurdle is finding that first convert.
Greg asks Matt, “What do you think the PROSPECTS for Secession are … etc.”
Too late to ask that question. It’s already underway, and has been for a long time.
“Secession” begins in the mind, and isn’t clearly visible when it starts.
Most folks think of “Secession” only in terms of it’s result, like what happened in 1861 and thereabouts.
It’s not that that was NOT “Secession”. It’s that it started way, way earlier, in the mind.
Our Secession is already well underway. Now we’ll just have to see how it works its way through time and space …
OT:
Possibly one for Prof. KMD.
This article boasts about Jewish sitcoms eroding, mocking and destroying Americans’ traditional notions of the family.
Republicans are searching for an explanation as to why voters rejected their vision of America. The answer may be on their television screens, where an ever-expanding, bluer definition of family values makes their nostalgic idea of family values feel like a foreign world.
For decades Americans have been welcoming nontraditional families into their homes, laughing along with their exploits, falling in love with them, and learning to see them as equals.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/how-tv-killed-the-republican-party-s-family-values.html
Matt claimed “East Asians and Chinese aren’t really political at this time in the USA”
Well Matt (and Greg), we’ve got to have a chat about this.
If you impose the word “political” on this demographic in terms of what YOU consider “political”, you’d be correct … at this point.
But if you understand what “Political” means in the context of Chinese and E. Asian culture, you’ll see an entirely different picture, and also much of what may happen in the future here, with E. Asians here in larger numbers.
“The Chinese” are VERY political, in China and here. It just doesn’t look the same as “Our Political”. Not Seeing and Knowing about this has consequences.
Re “East Asians and Chinese aren’t really political at this time in USA” ,I am in agreement with Gregor. Chinese and East Asians are shrewd, calculating people, they think that now is not the right time, but they sense that time is on their side.
I would include here Indians who in addition to be shrewd are duplicitous and hypocritical.Why did they vote overwhelmingly for Democratic party,of course they are political in deeper sense,not openly talking.
I do not believe that will be secession by the states in a peaceful fashion along the present state borders,the federal government is too strong and prophylactic measures have been in place. Of course nobody can predict the future.
It is true that many upper middle class and wealthy people are living in comfort On average they are more intelligent and it must be dawning on them that their children and grandchildren almost certainly will not have the same comfort.
They must know that their devotion to diversity, multiculturalism will not spare them of hate,humiliation and “retribution”.I believe that is one ray of hope.
Killroy, you could be the proofreader.
I also enjoy these roundtables. I think that a worthy theory regarding the allegiance of East- and South-asians to the democratic party is the dominance of liberalism in the universities. A large percent of Asians attend universities, and the political programming that they receive is quite intense at a time when their attitudes are being formed. Much has been speculated on the Asian conformist nature, which appears prevalent across this racial group’s societies throughout recorded history. Many, or even most, Whites receive the same programming, but this is moderated by their parents’ views, as well as their possibly greater ability to “evolve” their views according to circumstances in spite of conforming pressures (for better or worse). I suppose it is debatable whether dismantling the White powerstructure is to Asians’ ultimate benefit or not. Certainly a liberal immigration policy has been a boon for them in North America.
I think that a worthy theory regarding the allegiance of East- and South-asians to the democratic party is the dominance of liberalism in the universities. A large percent of Asians attend universities, and the political programming that they receive is quite intense at a time when their attitudes are being formed.
Here’s an alternative view: Asians hate White people, race trumps class, and race trumps “cognitive elitism” as well – or better yet, “cognitive elitism” is an Asiatic ploy to gain access to White lands.
“Liberalism in the universities?” Apologia. I’d like to see the voting patterns of foreign born Asians who are naturalized American citizens. All the ones I know are fervently pro-Democrat/Obama, despite being well off financially.
People need to get off their asiaphilia and actually deal with Asians. For example, they’ll find that Chinese immigrants believe they have an absolute right to immediate and unlimited immigration access to the USA, and the slightest delay in granting visas, green cards, etc. is considered “discrimination.” And they will train their children to be successful so that they can “be powerful and help the Overseas Chinese.”
To these people, the rights of Whites are meaningless. Read Raspail’s Camp of the Saints. The same attitude exists. For these people, Whites really don’t exist. Whites are just “ghosts” wisping through territory that will be quite efficiently settled by the yellow and brown peoples of Asia. And that’s politics.
The secession drama is fascinating, and I see it as part of a larger Plan.
Note that this grew like wildfire, with more than a million signatures formed literally overnight.
This Is Not By Accident.
The secessionists honestly have no idea what they are doing, and most seem to have the sense of those who spoke of the economic power of King Cotton assuring Southern supremacy over the North, and who seemed blissfully unaware of how the cotton fields of Egypt and India were coming online even as that speech was given.
My fear is that the people who are managing the Secession Movement – the formal one, the one with formal petitions being signed by well-organized people – will lead the sheep into a new Constitutional Convention.
Once THAT gets started, they can do ANYTHING. Merge Mexico with America? Easy. Provide the fig leaf of Mexico having “Commonwealth” status for a few years prior to formal merging, and suddenly the deed is done – all “Constitutional,” and thus, legal.
Again, the incredible prescience of Harold Covington comes to the fore. OUR Secession must start with a secession of the Mind. With the pole star of the Northwest Republic, the New Polaris, we will not be victims on this issue, or, hopefully, any other.
November 27, 2012
Just stated to listen and very informative. Kevin much more free and animated than on Rense
radio with David Duke. Thanks again!
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