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Norman Rockwell, "Forward America"
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“Hey man, I still think we can turn this thing around.”
That’s what your vote says.
That’s what you’re telling people when you argue in favor of a candidate, or against one. You’re saying that a change in management could, at least potentially, create a better future. It’s not the system that’s broken; it’s those head-niggas-in-charge who are ruinin’ everything. The bright idea is that if we get their guy out and put our guy in—our nigga—he could really turn things around.
Where, exactly, is your nigga gonna turn it to?
How far is he going to turn back the clock? How much cleaning up are they going to let him do? How many agencies is he going to close? How many amendments is he going to repeal? How many policies is he going to change, and why is he going to do these things for you? What’s in it for him?
Let’s say there’s an honest man in the race. Let’s just say there is—for the sake of argument.
Let’s say it for the laughs.
Let’s just say there is an honest man in the race who believes in the things that you believe in, a guy who is on your side. Let’s imagine a candidate—because there isn’t one, not one—who is willing to take a stand against global business conglomerates that wield more power than most nations. Let’s imagine a nationalist candidate—an anti-globalist who isn’t going to make things easier for companies to export jobs, import cheap goods, and price Americans out of their own market. Let’s imagine there’s a guy who is actually willing to draw a line where our borders are supposed to be and say “no more.”
Conjure in your mind, if you will, a fella who is going to side with men when women want something—who won’t beta down and give in every time women nag him a little. I’m trying to keep this fantasy realistic, so let’s not get crazy. Let’s not get into divorce laws or domestic violence polices or sexual discrimination lawsuits or women in the military. Just try to imagine a guy who can stand up and say that men ought to feel free to exclude women from a private golf club if they want to. Imagine that guy—because he’s about the best you can hope for.
This guy, your best hope, is going to get up every morning and tell companies wielding the wealth of nations and 51% of the voting population to go fuck themselves, because he’s on your side.
You see how unrealistic that is, right?
Funny stuff.
What’s your best-case-scenario for America? I think the best that most men can reasonably hope for is for this thing to keep limping along and not get too much worse—that we’ll still be able to find a way to make it, to play the system and win sometimes.
(Some men will inevitably prosper no matter how bad things get for most men. Maybe you want to be that guy. Good on ‘ya. The point here is about changes in your odds.)
The likelihood of feminist laws being rolled back, even as far as the 1980s, is slim. The best you can hope for from elected officials—who also depend on the votes of women—is to fend off deep, hen-pecked “Swedish” feminism.
Whites are going to become minorities in a lot of areas, and hopefully being a minority white man who isn’t wealthy won’t suck too much. We can hope that all of the “youths” and “vibrants” who have been taught that we are their natural oppressors—and that we are naturally to blame for everything bad that happens to them—will be kind and benevolent to us. We can hope that they won’t hold a grudge or take advantage of us or attack us in an angry mob whenever the media winds them up.
We can hope that we’ll still have the right to bear arms and defend ourselves, and that we’ll be treated fairly by a legal system run by and for others. The average guy can hope that judges and legislators will at least be reminded of the Constitution when they give decisions and write laws.
We can hope that freedom of speech will outlast us. We know that writing or saying the wrong thing may get us fired, but we can hope that they won’t put us in prison for it, like they do in more “evolved” nations like France, Germany, or England.
Basically, we can take a conservative position. We can try to hold on to what remains from the past and what is good in the present. We can vote to keep things from changing too much, too fast. Maybe, if we’re really lucky, we’ll be able to regain some ground every once in a while—to right some wrongs, to correct some errors. Voting for the guy who is going to fuck things up the least is a conservative position.
Progressives—feminists, multiculturalists, socialists, and others—are more enraptured by their leaders and more excited about the future because they have an end goal in mind. They aren’t voting to keep things from getting too much worse, they are voting to achieve a State of Kumbaya. In the State of Kumbaya, every person of every sex and race is equal in every which way. Everyone shares and shares alike, and no one has a bad word to say about anyone else. In Kumbaya, there is no one to kill or die for (and no religion, too). This is not a radical position, because it is more or less the official position, but people who vote toward Kumbaya are still voting forward.
Conservatives vote to block them, or to go backward. They vote to restore, reclaim, and prevent. Conservatives believe that they can still turn this thing around.
I’m not a conservative.
I don’t believe we can turn this thing around by voting to put a new head-nigga-in-charge.
I’m not going to argue with you about why this nigga is better than that nigga.
I’ll be sitting it out entirely.
From now on, I’m voting with my ass.
I’m not advocating apathy. I don’t want you to stop caring. I want you to stop believing.
Voting implies consent. It implies that you still believe in the system and that you are satisfied with your options.
I want you to withdraw your consent.
In 2008, voter turnout was around 57%. That’s actually high for elections in recent years, and for a variety of reasons I doubt we’ll see that kind of enthusiasm again soon. However, the fact that we are being governed with the active consent of less than 60% of the population is worth consideration. In 1924, less than 49% of the voting age population turned out to elect an established incumbent challenged by a lackluster candidate who was actually a compromise between two other deadlocked candidates. 2012 looks like a great year to aim for under 50% again.
Let the head-nigga-in-charge claim he has a mandate from the people, when half of the voting age population couldn’t be bothered to vote either for or against him. And this isn’t even about him. It’s not about any one candidate. It’s about a system that can only produce globalists to act in our national interests. It’s about a system that makes it easier for men to pander to women than it is for them to stand up for men.
America is losing faith in its public institutions. In a 2011 Gallup poll, only 12% expressed “a great deal” or “quite a lot” of confidence in Congress. 35% had faith in the presidency, 37% in the Supreme Court. As few had confidence in newspapers (28%) as they did in television news (27%). Less than 30% trusted the criminal justice system, the banks, the unions or big business.
Withdrawing your support for America’s political system is a more powerful statement than your vote.
Not voting is a vote of “no confidence.”
Your vote isn’t going to turn this thing around. The best thing you can do for your country—for the men around you, for the future—is to let the system tear itself apart. The way to increase personal sovereignty for men is to decrease the sovereignty of the state by withdrawing the consent of the governed. Sure, this could and probably will result in naked power grabs by “elected” officials. These actions will only decrease confidence further. That’s short-term. I’m thinking about the long game. If American men stop thinking of the government as “us” and start thinking of it as “them”—if we stop thinking of ourselves as Americans and start acting in our own interests, things could get really interesting.
So this year, don’t argue about politics.
Don’t vote.
Vote with your ass.
Or, if you really want to vote, don’t vote for any of the official candidates. Have fun with it. Vote for a write-in.
Vote for Zod. Vote for Cthulhu. Vote for Crom. Vote for fucking Cobra Commander for all I care.
Just don’t vote for any of the assholes on the ballot.
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I shall have to read that book ‘All about Women’ as there have not been many of that kind lately. I will put it next to John Knox’ s “The first blast of the trumpet against the monstrous regiment of women” or perhaps ” the malleus maleficarum”.
The Swedish idea of gender neutral is appalling. I read at the link that they have to ban free play for kids because they tend to get into stereotypical gender patterns and create hierarchies. Interesting that.
I do think men should have their own clubs. I just don’t know how to stop them from wanting to join my knitting club and they get so upset when I refuse to give them my recipes. I usually tell them lots of cayenne pepper works.
Cobra Commander 2012, I’m down with that
Having read all your writings let me say up front that you and I are in pretty solid agreement. Further recognizing the philosophical issues with democractic rule I still must say that I disagree with you strongly here. I say we should and must vote as abstaining will do no more then get you filed under the lable of disaffected. No one will know your reasons nor care after they get elected.
If in fact the voting pop is 57 percent this provides us a possibility of being marginally influential. Now let me hasten to say that in this race between the two primary parties there is no one whom I would choose to represent me. Yet I still say that there are substantial reasons to vote for Romney even if we do so holding our noses.
Some of them:
-There will return at least the symbolic image of the country being led by a white man
-He will dismiss Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, Janet Neopolitano etc.
-He will insure that tax policies do not continue to steal from wealthy white people to aid and abet minorities anymore then they do now.
-He will attempt to cut costs which will begin to minimize the power shift to minorities as he will have a mandate to begin this task.
-Once he is elected there is a “salvaging” of the appearance of conservative credibility that symbolically enables us to move forward. (I know he is in no way conservative)
– If we allow Obama one more term the deck will be stacked for the remainder of our lives against us as he will get Supreme Court appointments that will doom our objectives
– And finally George Zimmerman will have no chance in hell of getting treated fairly as Eric Holder and his cronies will insure that this guy is charged with a hate crime. And Zimmerman has become a symbol of everything that is and that we predict will occur. Zimmerman is the current symbol of racial hatred against the whites (even though we all know it is crazy and concocted). It is unfair to allow him to become a martyr as this will mean nothing to anyone two weeks after the case is completed. iF Zimmerman goes down there is a chance whites may erupt and there is a chance they will sink into more despondency and I am betting for the latter as witness I offer the OJ Simpson case. Obama and Holder will have won and will continue to legislate to take over our wealth and our control and to destroy our neighborhoods.
All said I would really encourage you to change your mind and vote. Everyone here has a vote that is useful right now. We need to get everyone rallied even as we all know the impact may be less then we would hope for.
See my article on the 2008 US Presidential Election: https://counter-currents.com/2010/06/the-2008-us-presidential-election/
Greg,
There is a certain logic in your arguement but I suspect that by now you can see that nothing has changed in 4 years and is unlikely to change in another 4 years as far as racial contexts go.
What will change is that the USA will be in at least 16 trillion dollars of debt and there will be some new Supreme Court Justice that will be hostile as hell to your interests. That person will be in the court for life. So if you do manage any influence over this situation and lets optimistically say that the WN people even manage a semblance of control then what you will be staring down is a Chinese contingent demanding repayment or hyperinflation or a collapsed currency.
If that appeals to you then I suspect we are on different pages. I for one do not wish to live in a Mad Max world which will undo centuries of Western Advancement.
The best bet to my mind is to keep working as you are and as well take your incremental gains when they come along. A re-elected Obama is not going to be good for white people. We have no way of predicting what Romney will do but the probablity says it cannot be worse and is likely to be better then what exists now.
Seems to be that a better approach would be to provoke people to vote for the lesser of the two evils and then get back to the everyday effort that has been going along thus far. And possibly even better toss the cynicism and then engage the republican party with wisdom and slyness and begin influnecing from within.
As far as I am concerned, worse is better. Obama has been great for increasing racial tensions in America. I want that momentum to continue.
See my article, “Worse is Better”: https://counter-currents.com/2011/07/worse-is-better/
I agree that most of those things will probably happen. Honestly I think that in the past 4 years I’ve seen a huge growth in willingness to talk about race and anti-globalism and the very far right. As someone who voted for McCain thinking it mattered, I would count myself among those who have become more radicalized under Obama. If Obama does all of the things you mentioned, and he probably will, people will become even more radical and anti-establishment. I think the far right is becoming more attractive for young people all the time. You can’t expect one election to cause revolution. It can, but it won’t necessarily. I post stuff occasionally at InMalaFide for a reason. Those guys are young. They are the future. And the scales are really falling from their eyes regarding the left, progressives, race realism, HBD, feminism, etc. They’re starting to realize that the system is no longer “us.” I want to see more of that.
I think 4 years of Romney will create a sigh of relief that will let the steam out of a growing movement.
Mr. Donovan,
You have successfully ruined my night with your link to the article on Sweden. Maybe the Swedes actually WILL benefit from the hordes of Muslims in their country. At this point it seems like some good, old-fashioned Sharia law might restore the balance. Could this be an example of the benefits of open borders we’ve been hearing so much about? Maybe I finally get it!
It is always good to know who holds the power. There are two kinds. The power given by virtue of the position held and the power by virtue of who one is.
At one of my jobs my male supervisor gave me good advice. He said that the organization was a hierarchy and that I was at the bottom and if I remembered that I would do fine. I am very glad I took his advice.
One day I overheard outside my cubicle, an alpha male supervisor tell a beta male supervisor how to get what he needed from the new female manager. Mr Beta had scruples.
However, a while later at the staff meeting Ms manager walked in wearing a see-thru white blouse with a black bra underneath, completely destroying her credibility because everyone was transfixed on the black bra and didn’t hear a word she said. I looked over at Mr. alpha male and he had a non-nonchalant smug look of victory on his face. I thanked my first supervisor silently.
I think soon after that complaints about her incompetence ensued. Mr Alpha was soon manager which he so deserved.
It doesn’t matter one bit whether the people reading this article vote or not, they will have no influence on the outcome of the election. Its the activism that we do outside of the ballot box that actually matters.
Simon,
I must disagree with you. Agregations of people voting for the same thing will make an impact. Cynicism loses before it leaves the gate. Both voting and activism matter and are worthwhile.
This election is about making a statement. If Obama wins the message to the country is that we like what we have. The MSM will blast that all over the world. The idea of racial conscious raising will receive a setback as the mandate will go in exactly the opposite direction. The perception will be that Obama has been a good president and was re-elected because the people prefer him. If that is how you wish for things to be perceived then do not vote but you will be casting aside one valid way of exerting an influence.
I have voted for myself for every major state and federal office for a number of years now. Alas, I have been unsuccessful–I haven’t even received any votes from family members. C’est la vie. (The only things I do take seriously are California ballot measures.) My point, however, is that I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils anymore. I cannot in good conscience register my approval on any level, in any way with Romney or any one those jokers.
In addition, part of me would like to see white people get stomped on some more because that is the only way that we are going to react out of racial self-interest. White America needs to get really angry before anything happens. If Zimmerman hangs, if Obama gets re-elected, there is a small chance that the truth will out. And if that happens we white nationalists will be the ones with a consistent, intellectually-sustainable, empirically-justifiable world view in place and ready to be acted upon. I’m sure that all of us here believe that it is just a question of time before a white reawakening. So, do we want that to be sooner or later? Romney’s election will give the Left more ammunition in their usual battles with whites. It will also make white people more complacent. In the larger, strategic sense Romney is more our enemy than Obama. I don’t think we have time for any more complacency. Each of us is mad as hell. Until everyone else is too we’ll take refuge here and think and plan and philosophize and prepare to channel that anger when it finally bursts forth. And I will continue to vote for myself–not because I don’t care, but because I do care.
I plan to vote and for Obama. Gas on the fire. Keep the Black guy in there. Keep Holder in there. Let’s get two, maybe three more hard-left Blacks/Latinos/Jews on the Supreme Court for life. We need higher taxes on Whites, reduced benefits for Whites, more quotas, affirmative action and set asides and amnesty for illegal aliens. A move toward massive gun control might be helpful. While most White gun owners are semi-unplugged from the matrix, they’re still, mostly, “let’s get back the Constitution” types. They don’t appreciate it’s not possible, so they are going to need to learn it the hard way. An aggressive move by a Black president and a Black attorney general to stamp out gun rights might be just what we need to start opening some of them up to more radical ideas. Might has well throw in a war in Iran, too.
The last thing we need is for White people to look up in November, see a White face and think they have their country back.
Lew,
“The last thing we need is for White people to look up in November, see a White face and think they have their country back.”
That sums it up perfectly. Well said.
Dr. Pierce used to say that he thought that the White man was going to have to be homeless, starving, covered from head to toe with oozing sores and fighting with rats and maggots over scraps of food left inside filthy and bacteria ridden garbage cans, before he would be able to finally pull his head out of his hind parts.
I remember how depressed I got when I first heard Pierce make that prediction.
I remember thinking, hey, I’m not blessed with an IQ in stratosphere – yet, I have this racial thing figured out. Why can’t all these Whites who are smarter, at least on paper, than I am – why can’t these numbskulls figure it out, too?
Great piece! Discussed and linked here:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2012/05/non-voting-option.html
Guys your points are well taken and somewhat persuasive however they start from assumptions that I am not making.
Obama may have increased racial consciousness among small enclaves on the web but in the main stream there has been no noticeable difference. Remember the large numbers of whites who voted for Obama and all the white women who fawn over him and will do so again. We have been buried in black on white crime stories on the web since Zimmerman and not a word in the MSM. Our schools are hostile toward European peoples and not a word spoken. White males are attacked at every turn and no one says a thing in the MSM nor in mainstream America. Which is why I appreciate the select few like Jack Donovan who bother to lay a comprehensive counter argument .
My assumption is that whites have been viciously corrupted and brainwashed and no matter how badly Obama does they will never correlate with his race the outcome of his problems. But 4 more years of Obama will leave a devastated countryside for white people to inhabit. A few years later we will be heading back to the forests and primitive ways of living. We have long lost the skills to survive under those circumstances and whites may lose severely.
Thus I argue for taking the incremental gain while you can and work for greater gains while there is something worth saving.
Obviously I have no crystal ball and in the end you all may be right but then so might I be. There is no way to my mind that a white guy in leadership is not better then a black guy. The only way I can countenance such a course would be to accept a sort of sinister strategy of subterfuge that runs pretty heavy risks of putting us under.
I appreciate your input however
The error in your view is that Romney represents incremental gain. That’s a questionable assumption. Still, I might rethink it depending on what the court does this summer. If they uphold Arizona and overturn Obama’s mandate, it will show the court still has some value in disrupting the leading edge of anti-white public policy. A ruling that will let the states pass Arizona laws would represent true marginal gain. There is some evidence those laws get some illegals to go elsewhere. And the polarization effect, with Jew media screeching from the mountaintop, would be worth its weight in gold.
The problem is that a Wall Street president like Romney is more likely to stack the court with David Souters, Earl Warrens, and William Brennans. All republican appointees, all White Gentiles, all anti-White to the core, all did their part to inflict severe damage on White Americans’ prospects. The court appointments only value if the slots go to jurists with a strong “originalist” stance like Alito, Scalia and Thomas. Only originalist jurists with sympathy for federalism are likely to side with the states in any action they might take to resist the US gov. You can’t count on a Wall Street guy like Romney to appoint such justices. They might do something that would interfere with business, and sending illegals packing definitely would for many GOP uber-donors.
I don’t know Lew. I do know that I do not want another Sotomayor nor another Ginsberg. One of which I will surely get with Obama. The other thing I think is that if Obama wins then the next step will be a female president. That for me is unthinkable.
The concern I have is that no matter who gets elected things are not likely to get much better so perhaps it is far better to let the blame fall on Obama then to implicate the white guy.
I just fear the untold damage that will be done to white people and particularly male white people under Obama, and despite that they may become engaged in concern for their future what they will face will be an insurmountable challenge.
Things will possibly end up heavily stacked against us and the repercussions may dwell on for years.
Charles Martel in blockquote:
The mainstream has been defined by the mainstream media. The internet is removing what legitimacy the mainstream media has. Of greater importance, the people who matter use the Internet. The rest simply up the meds, and watch some more SportsCenter. Good for them. They no longer really matter.
Greece is a warm-up for Europe. Europe will be a warm-up for America. Following a mark-to-market regime that could last a decade before it all clears out, and including off-balance sheet debts at “market value,” our Posterity will never be able to have anything approaching the standard of living their parents did. At least, not in the America that is becoming before our very eyes. Imagine a FIFTY percent devaluation of your standard of living, pretty much overnight. Imagine an overhanging national debt that increases, daily, while you never earn enough money to make a better life for your self – eternal debt servitude. Think of the student loan situation in America, with more owned on undischargeable student loans than is owned on credit cards. Nothing will get better until we make it so.
As long as we play THEIR Game, by THEIR Rules, THEY will always win, Charlie Brown.
That takes us to Harold Covington, and the Northwest Republic, particularly the Northwest Republic as an analytical model.
Anything beats nothing. Something better, is better.
A white guy in leadership is pretty much the same as the black guy in leadership, at least in practice. “Civil Rights” began under White Guy Johnson, Affirmative Action began under White Guy Nixon, Mass Amnesty of Illegals began under White Guy Reagan, and all of these has had their bureaucracies and regulations expanded under all White Guy Presidents. You probably see a pattern developing.
All of this is designed, first and foremost, to demoralize us, on all possible levels.
As long as we accept their Words and Phrases, and their Definitions of same, we shall always be Charlie Brown.
We CAN Do Something about that, and Harold Covington has done the intellectual and moral heavy lifting for us.
We can Do Better, starting where we are, tonight.
Don’t count the MSM out just yet. I define them as print and television and hollywood. Combined these people have still a vast say over what gets considered as convention in this country. The nternet is strong but the masses are tuned in to the MSM still, if only because of the ubiguity of their presence.
And I must disagree that a white guy is the same as a black guy. There are ways of approaching the white guy that are prohibited in conversation with a black. I do not think Republicans are unaware of the situation. I only think that they are practical peoples and they play a more nuanced game then we may wish for.
Further consider that if you wish to make a claim against your opponent then you might be better off with a sort of flattery. Whiich is to say unless you wish to physically fight you seek to establish a “win/win” situation where he thinks his loses will be minimal while you seek to maximize your gains. It may be entirely possible that this is what is going on. Of course there are some Repubs that are goners but there are many who are very aware and prepared to work in the right direction when the time is correct.
Consider that whites are heading toward minority status. At that time the current racial strategy may provide cover for what is to happen. I do not know of course but things tend to head toward strange outcomes sometimes.
We have a party of white people now we have to influence them. First tactic though is to protect our resources. We cannot have white peoples money stolen from them and invested into their demise and this is what Obama is doing and will continue to do.
We will see.
I agree with Mr. Donovan on this one. Both of the candidates are fucking worthless. I can’t understand how anyone with half a brain can get worked about the upcoming election.
By the way, I used to be one of those people that got all worked up about our presidential elections. I even voted for George W. Bush-twice. I’m actually embarrassed by that now. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I’ve completely lost faith in the system, and don’t see any good coming out of it. Hopefully, more people will reach this conclusion and just stop voting. Like Mr. Donovan, I don’t see this as a bad thing.
I agree with you Justin that both are essentially worthless. The problem is that during my lifetime I have never had anyone to vote for that represents my perspective yet somehow I feel choosing the lesser of the evils is at least a positive move. What a frustrating time to be alive huh…
That was real fun.
I fundamentally agree with this article, with some minor exceptions. If I lived in a “swing” state and in a “swing” county, I would actually vote, for Obama. Just because he’s brown. That visual – seeing a brown man at the head of this mess – helps put Whites in a psychological position where they are more receptive to acting in their own interests. But, I do not live in such a state or country, so I will “vote with my ass” like I did in the last election in a similar position.
I wish I could get more people to understand this. It’s not complicated. I think this article will help with that…hopefully.
voting is NOT a waste of time, at best you can vote for a better candidate, or at the least you can try to get one bag of entrenched politicians out.
However if voting is the only activity you do it a very long path to any change in our society.
I will be campaigning for and voting for Romney. We need to prevent Obama from getting any more Supreme Court appointments. But that’s a short term bandaid. We need a long term solution, a white nationalist movement.
What could a popular nationalist movement do to salvage America?
Not like Ron Paul’s movement, that’s five percent of the electorate at most. I mean something like the Obama followers in 2008, thirty or forty percent of the electorate caught up in a wave of enthusiasm. But based on solid white nationalist ideas, not flowery nonsense about hope and change.
Creating such a movement depends on success in the metapolitical phase. The following assumes that has happened, and we’re able to win at least some elections.
The objective is to retain white control over as much of the United States as is feasible. That means using any means necessary to suppress the non-white vote. To start with illegals must be barred from voting. That’s a given. Next all convicted felons must be barred as well, and this must be enforced. That will eliminate as much as 15% of the black vote, and a lot of hispanics as well.
It follows that whites must always vote. We want 100% white voter turnout. If there’s a school board election vote, if there’s a referendum, vote. Vote for whatever best serves white interests. Even if you have to write someone in.
If there were a massive popular movement we could also elect our own. Pro-white candidates would become viable. Of course you would vote for them, but you could also become one of them. Once in office you can do what blacks do. Always favor your own race. A big construction project? Vote and lobby to give the contract to white owned companies that don’t hire illegals. A zoning question? Whatever keeps non-whites out. If you’re elected to congress work to reduce taxes on whites. Progressive taxation and welfare subsidize non-white reproduction at the expense of successful whites. Starve the beast. And never raise the debt ceiling. Default on federal obligations is both inevitable and useful to our cause. Be the bigot that the left says you are. Be ruthlessly “unfair” and “biased”. Because you know the enemy is.
Pro-white politicians would side with whites against globalism and bankers. Debt forgiveness for white workers and asset forfeiture laws applied to Wall Street criminals would cut the financial legs from under the nation wrecking rootless cosmopolitans. Heavy tariffs on imports and zero-tax rates on manufacturing would revive our industrial economy. Ending all student visas (a temporary measure until we can have a European-only visa system) will end the theft of our scientific and technological developments by asians. All guest worker and legal immigration programs would be ended on the same basis, a moratorium until we can switch to a whites only policy.
With a mass movement there are non-political tactics that will become viable. Electoral votes and congressmen are based on population. Whites should abandon non-white majority states completely to reduce their power in the electoral college. Every white should depart California until we can begin retaking it when we’ve taken over the federal government.
Another tactic is to speak out without fear, which will be possible in that environment. If you stand your ground you’ll win converts just by standing your ground. You don’t even need to be that articulate. Strength of conviction alone wins the day.
Never cede anything to non-whites, vote white. It’s right.
Anticarville,
To my mind you are talking sense. Now let’s go.
Your point about abandoning non-white states is pertinent to me because I live in California and am now considering whether I should leave it or not. The stay side says we should not give it up and should hold position; the leave side says California is already hopeless, life is short why waste it.
Whites were a tiny minority on this continent when Jamestown was founded. Would you have urged them to evacuate?
AntiCarville’s points need to be addressed, but, perhaps, it might be time for The Management to start two new threads.
The first, “What Is To Be Done,” is perfect for the issues AntiCArville raises.
The second should be an “Open Thread.” Some answers to some questions actually address issues other than that explicitly stated in the topic, and do so at length. *raises hand, points to self* As this is a moderated site, the raving lunatics can be removed from the company of their betters. as this site is the only one dealing with the White Race from a metapolitical perspective, new and better ideas are coming forth, and might well need their own unique vessel untl they have been fully, and correctly, formed.
Here someone is talking sense. Those who tell us (often with crude language befitting rap) to sit out the vote, write in joke candidates, or even vote to re-elect Obama because “worse is better” forget, or more likely simply don’t care, that Obama’s policies harm millions of White families, right now. To throw them under the bus when we could vote for some better candidate says we don’t care, at least as I see it.
Lest we forget, these vague hopes of Whites “waking up” might not materialize for decades or even a century, if at all; remember how many Rightists thought democracy was on the way out in the 1930s, and look what happened. I’m not saying that Romney or the system itself don’t hurt Whites (and others too), but to argue that an America without a President Obama in charge would not be better is intellectual indefensible.
I am inclined to write in Merlin Miller. That says something for our cause. But anyone who thinks they’re going to galvanize a nation with George Carlinism is a fool. Conservatives, attacked with frothing mouth in this article and others on this site, at least want to preserve or restore a somewhat better America; cynicism demonstrably never leads to anything but further decay.
Sure, Obama’s policies harm millions of whites. But you are naive if you think that there would be any significant difference with Romney in office. So how is voting for Romney the more “caring” option? If one really cares about white people, meaning the long term survival of our race, then one needs to pursue a different system of government entirely. And I think that the best way to do that is to encourage anything that, as you put it, leads to “further decay” of the present system.
I have explained why I think that “Worse is Better”: https://counter-currents.com/2011/07/worse-is-better/
I have also explained why I think that it is better to have Obama in the White House than a white front man: https://counter-currents.com/2010/06/the-2008-us-presidential-election/
If you can find flaws in my reasoning, please let me know.
I also reject your presumption that non-voters are somehow responsible for that the system does. That is just meaningless emotional blackmail. We are also told that voters are responsible for what the system does. The truth is that the people who run the country are responsible, and they are not us.
And if you think that non-voters are somehow responsible for harming whites if Obama gets re-elected, then why are you contemplating throwing away your vote on Merlin Miller?
crusader in blockquote:
I mentioned the George Carlinism from his The American Dream speech – on YouTube – to make two points:
One, Carlin thought he was “radical” for about thirty years. He wasn’t. He realized he had been played for a fool by all sides of the Inner Party. Towards the end, he did The American Dream, and look at how the elite, well-educated audience he was speaking to laughed and cheered as he told them the cold hard truth.
Let me repeat: they laughed and cheered as he told them the cold, hard truth. They had been played for fools, and there was nothing they could do about it except create laughter that sounded like frightened sheep.
“Just smart enough to run the machines, and just dumb enough not to think about how they’ve been (manipulated, with ruthless effectiveness.) LOOK at the look in Carlin’s eyes as he realizes, with a quickly masked dawning of horror, that they were LAUGHING at their helplessness.
Two, they don’t need them to run the machines anymore, and there’s not a damn thing they can do about it. Time to up the meds, and see what’s on SportsCenter tonight.
THAT was the source of their laughter – fear, at too much truth being told at once, and the realization that he really was talking about them, and their “lifestyle.”
The Owners have gone ten for ten so far, and we are trying to get on the Board, when they are the Opposition, the Referee, and they own the Playing Field AND they own the Board.
Other than that, we’re doing great.
Conservatives led the damn charge at destroying all that made America Past the greatest country in the history of the world. They voted for everything the Inner Party told them to, and then voted to fully fund its various bureaucracies, AND made sure no Federal judge would ever be appointed that would slow the train down. NAFTA? Just the beginning. They’ve gone ten for ten, so far. Better “opposition” could not have been manufactured, much less bought.
There is MUCH more to American politics than floor votes. At best, that accomplishes nothing until the proposals have been funded. Conservatives watch the theatrical set-pieces set aside for them, and think they have accomplished something, if only having generated moving pictures to support their reelection.
That is the tip of the iceberg of American politics. Remember what Bob Whitaker and Horus the Avenger say: “Practical politics is non-voting politics.”
Conservative politics, in practice, is very impractical, and it is designed to be that way.
That’s why they have not won ONE in the last half-century, Charlie Brown.
That’s why a Conservative Administration did not send one Cabinet level functionary to Falwell’s funeral.
What are they going to do? Vote for Kerry? Watch the new, multicultural NASCAR?
We are trying to move the ball down the field, and not run around in circles.
“What field,” you ask?
OUR Field, Charlie Brown, and THAT is why it is important to send money to counter-currents regularly.
Monthly is fine.
For anyone who needs a reason to work within the system in 2012 this is the one that keeps me in the Republican party.
Republicans are less likely to pass and Romney is less likely to sign amnesty. Amnesty would do two things, it would turn 20 million enemies into voters and qualify them for full welfare benefits, and it would attract at least another 20 million Mexicans and other south of the border invaders in the next 20 years, in preparation for the next amnesty.
In this war numbers matter. The fewer of them there are the easier retaking America will be. We must make it harder for the invaders, not easier.
People who think worse is better need to visit Zimbabwe or South Africa. When will worse be waking white Africans up?
What makes you think that Romney is less likely to amnesty illegals. What party has given us the most recent amnesties?
Romney knows that you dance with the one who brung you. McCain tried to dance with the dead and look where it got him. If Romney wins with his strong anti-immigration platform he’ll stick with it.
Even Republican neocons like Frank Luntz have been convinced by their focus group and polling that amnesty is now as politically dangerous to Republicans as gun control is to Democrats. During a debate this year he was watching the meters* of a Republican focus group and when someone (Newt?) made some pro-amnesty noises Luntz said he’d never seen a stronger negative reaction.
The racial polarization of the parties is only going to get more extreme.
* In this kind of focus group everyone has a control with a dial that they can turn negative or positive based on their reaction to who’s speaking and what they’re saying. Software averages out these reactions in real time and creates a chart. Amnesty talk put the numbers far into the red.
I think you need a bit more political realism/disillusionment to get on this ride.
Luntz’s job is to figure out what makes GOP voters tick at an emotional level so GOP propagandists can use the information to write talking points that hit with an emotional impact.
Example: “Obama wants to raise taxes on job creators.
GOP voters/small business owners: Obama wants to raise my taxes. I know a lot of people out of work. Better vote GOP again.
Corporations, bankers, people in the top 1%: we’ve got the rubes right where we want ’em again. Our capital gains are safe. We get to keep the lowest corporate rates in the world another 4 years.
Michael Lind made this observation about the GOP that I agree with 100%. Luntz’s role is figuring out ways to manipulate White middle class emotion, especially anger.
Since Nixon, the Republicans have successfully channeled anger away from Big Money to Big Government. They have done so by manipulating the classic populist paradigm of producers vs. parasites. They have treated private sector workers, business owners and investors as allies in a common struggle of producers against parasitic public sector employees and poor people dependent on welfare.
AntiCarville in blockquote:
Sorry, all parties – Romney included – have supported the functional equivalent of amnesty, birthright citizenship and family reunion policies. This is Inner Party Policy, and is reflected in the practices of all sides.
Remember, the New Whig Party – the Republicans – have voted for the gelding of their followers in practice. The Owners are taken care of, regardless; offshore tax havens and dual citizenship makes them members of the new transnational Elite, who, like the Republican Party, voted for the structural initiatives that wiped out the rustbelt, and soon, all of the former middle class.
Their de facto merging of America with Mexico simply lowers us to the level of Mexico, and this can not be by accident.
Worse is HAPPENING. If they choose to do nothing about it, that’s their choice. This is where we take first place. This is where we make the only difference that matters, better Ideas, reflecting better Ideals, in the framework of the Homeland for the Racially Conscious Community, the Northwest Republic.
White Africans reacted to the choices MADE for them, and SOLD to them, by governments they trusted. They had hope that magically, the Broderbund would come forth and save the day, showing that the Leadership didn’t really mean what they said.
But they did.
Rhodesia provided one example. South Africa should have learned from them, but they had faith in the Leadership.
We don’t.
Democrats versus Republicans? Johnson gave us Civil Rights. Nixon gave us Affirmative Action. (Even Wallace made a side deal with the Federal Judge to be allowed to posture standing in the doorway of the Statehouse. He went peacefully.) Carter and Ford expanded on these, dramatically. Reagan gave us Amnesty. Clinton gave us NAFTA.
For the Inner Party, anything but White and Western Civilization is their first, and final choice.
They want to make it our last choice, as well, one we will never be able to use effectively.
An opportunity can be seen in the Santorum voters. Greater, much greater opportunities can be seen in the Northwest Republic.
I agree with Greg that worse is better. However I’m too squeamish to practice it, by voting democratic so as to destroy the neo-con dominated repub party.
I hope however to vote for Glen and AP3, at least as a write in.
The best we can do and that is much more powerfull than voting is to beceome our own word of mouth media. The traditional media referred to itself as the “permanent government” for good reason. It was true.
We should kick them out of that position in our own neighborhoods. I’ve done it. It works.
Go to t party meetings like I do and spread the whitakeronline.org mantra.
The short version of the mantra is:
“Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, white countries for everyone.”
Show up the republicrat hypocrisy in swamping every white country and only white countries with third worlders and bleanding us out of existence.
Recently white babies became a minority in America, and they are counting the 4% Jews as white babies.
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