Carl Dekel
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100-year-old Second World War United States Marine Corps veteran Carl Dekel recently gave an interview in which he broke down in tears. He was in full dress uniform and, God bless him, appeared perfectly lucid and aware. He lamented that the United States is no longer the country he had fought for and that his friends had died for. It’s as if he has finally realized that today’s America isn’t worth the tremendous sacrifice he and his generation made 80 years ago.
It’s a gripping, heartbreaking interview, and I advise everyone to view it, because there is much more to it than merely the old griping about the young.
Here’s a taste of what the poor man had to say:
I sincerely believe in this whole world that everything is beautiful. If I wake up in the morning and see these plants out here, and all those flowers that are in there, and green grass on the ground, that’s beautiful. People don’t realize what they have. They bitch about it. Nowadays I am so upset that the things we did, the things we fought for, and the boys that died for it are all going down the drain. Our country is going to hell in a handbasket. We haven’t got the country we had when I was raised, not at all. Nobody will have the fun I had. Nobody will have the opportunity I had. It’s just not the same. That’s not what they died for.
Note the loss and alienation Sergeant Dekel feels about not having a country anymore. I can only imagine his devastation after having given so much. On the other hand, I am confident that Civil War and First World War veterans didn’t feel the same way about their country in their old age. America had changed in the years after their wars, but at a slower pace within the span of their lifetimes than how it is today, where we cram decades of change into single years.
Above all, there was racial continuity back then. In many places in America, you could see strong and fondly-regarded remnants of 1900 in 1940, and of 1940 in 1980, in large part because the same people occupied those places, separated only by generations, and they were not trying to cancel or replace themselves. But how much of 1980 can we see today? With all the racial replacement and cultural degeneracy going on, precious little. There wasn’t much visceral hostility towards our past.
I point to the Second World War as the turning point. There is something different about the Second World War.
Sergeant Dekel’s interview made me reflect on my decision over ten years ago to enter dissident circles. Back then, I found myself resenting that white identity was being all but criminalized in my country while other racial identities were being encouraged. I began to empathize with whites who dared stand up to this unjust state of affairs, whereas before I would have just dismissed such people as Nazis. The double standard grated on me, especially considering how most whites were willing to accept it without even a whimper. “We’re acting like a beaten people,” I thought to myself. “We accept the unfair terms dictated to us by others and hope to merely slink by with our lives. This is how people act when they lose a war.”
And as an American, I didn’t remember ever losing a war — especially not to the people dictating these anti-white terms. So what gives?
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It took me a while, but the Dissident Right lightbulb began flashing in my mind when I realized that, yes, we did lose a war. It was the Second World War — Sergeant Dekel’s war. The inheritors of the true victors of that devastating and internecine conflict were now the ones compelling people like me to submit to their oppressive agenda. It’s not for nothing that such people never hesitate to smear their political opponents, as well as innocent pro-white dissidents, as Nazis. To them, the Second World War never ended. To them, we’re still in the clean-up phase of that war. The enemy may have been defeated militarily in 1945, but now they must be oppressed into irrelevance or bred out of existence.
In this way, the enemies of Nazism think globally. They are anti-nationalist (read: anti-White Nationalist), and so they do not differentiate between a German who was a card-carrying Nazi who fought for the Third Reich and a present-day Englishman, Frenchman, or white American who espouses views they dislike. Any truth or common sense behind these ideas is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the bearers of these truths must be stamped out forever. And what better way to do this than to promote and enforce the immigration and degeneracy that has broken Sergeant Dekel’s heart?
The Second World War should be remembered as the struggle between progress in the form of liberal democracy on one hand and Communism on the other against various forms of traditionalism and blood-and-soil nationalism. The war was sold to ordinary Americans as that of the forces of freedom fighting the forces of tyranny, but in truth the Soviets were far more tyrannical than the Nazis — and more murderous as well. This inconvenient fact had been swept under the rug in most Western societies, or denied outright, as in Walter Duranty’s reporting for The New York Times.
We Americans should have understood what villains we had become when we allied ourselves with the Soviet Union. We should have listened to Charles Lindbergh. People like Sergeant Dekel should have stayed home and let the Germans and Soviets slug it out over Eastern Europe, if that’s what they wanted to do. Better yet, we should have insisted upon the transfer agreement for the Jews, which would have seen the Jews of Germany sent to Palestine, and then offered as much aid as possible to the Germans. Given their human rights track record as of 1940, they were, after all, the true protagonists in their struggle with the Soviets. If the Second World War had been limited to those two world powers, Germany likely would have won and the world today wouldn’t be making people like Sergeant Carl Dekel cry. The world today would still contain many fondly-regarded remnants of 1980, and perhaps some of 1940 and 1900 as well.
I believe that whites everywhere were spiritually gutted by the Second World War. They were horrified by the devastation that they alone were capable of at that time, and wracked with existential guilt over it. The decimation of the white warrior class on the battlefields of Europe and on the islands of the Pacific furthermore left us weaker and more prone to the cultural rot which was to follow soon after the war. For a member of that warrior class to actually live to see the rot in its crescendo in a now-prone West must be a horrifying thing, indeed.
My only hope is for the whites of Europe and America to one day wake up and understand that, although we lost the Second World War, we weren’t beaten so much as bamboozled by foreign elements into fighting each other. And many of these foreign elements were influential Jews in media and government in the United States, England, and the Soviet Union.
We should also understand that nationalism is a beautiful thing — until it isn’t. We should love our nations and our people, but this means that other nations must love their people as well. Not recognizing this leads to empire and to the English seeing the French or the Germans as the other, despite what consanguinity they may share. Not recognizing this helped spark the Second World War.
Since that catastrophe cannot be undone, the best way to reverse its insidious effects is for whites everywhere to coalesce — at least in their hearts — into a single white nation, which contains multiple cooperating diasporas. This will hopefully help to maintain our continuity as a race, make us more suspicious of outsiders who don’t wish us well, and render apocalyptic civil wars like the Second World War less likely to occur.
There will always be war, of course, whether among whites or not. This is a fact of life. But under the White Nationalist model outlined above, the great civilization that whites created will be maintained regardless of war.
And people like Sergeant Dekel will always have a home to return to once the fighting is done.
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“To them, we’re still in the clean-up phase of that war. The enemy may have been defeated militarily in 1945, but now they must be oppressed into irrelevance or bred out of existence.”
Excellent!
Francis Parker Yockey wrote essentially the same thing at the time.
My grandparents died recently, both wonderful examples of the kind of people our societies used to produce.. before the Boomer generation. Hard workers, lots of kids, & lives dedicated to serving their family, church, community and nation. My mother asked if I was sad at their passing… I answered no.. they went very close to each other, were happily married for 65+ years, had plenty of children and grandchildren that they had been wonderful parents and grandparents to… no, I was not sorry they were gone, I was happy they lived good lives that enriched the lives of so many others.
..what I felt though was a very deep cold rage. They were to live forever, via their family living on, and their contributions written into the soil of their town..
..but this wasn’t to turn out to be true. It had been true for every generation prior, but not them. Instead their town had been turned over to Somalis & Sudanese, and communists, and will retain NOTHING of them. 200 years of connection to a place, and written over by foreign aliens in a couple of decades.. no more. Their legacy hanging by a thread in the two or three grandkids that managed to see through the lies of their society and vacuous anti-White emptiness of their Boomer parents, to raise their own families and stay true to their line. The rest lost like the town around them, to miscegenation, LBTQism, wilful and intent anti-Whitism and near universal anti-natalism. We have to ‘save’ the environment after all.
These were highly intelligent and articulate people. Upstanding citizens, treasurer for the country women’s association, town councillor, local businesspeople.. Sure granddad worked too hard.. in order to gift each of his children a house, and make sure no one in the family was ever in want. But to their kids, thanks to the tv and popular culture, their parents represented ‘the man’ and everything to be swept from society.
No, my cold answer to my own mother, was that I did not mourn their passing, I mourned the loss of the society that could have kept them alive forever (in spirit), that they’d given so much to. At their death instead, rage at who had allowed that eternal life to be taken from them. Not peacefully passed in their sleep then, but MURDERED, in no small part by their own children that spat on their lives without cause, but that concocted by people on TV that wanted the genocide we are getting. That thought that while other tribes might deserve their posterity, mine do not.
LGTH,
Your comment is poignant and heartbreaking. Thank you for sharing.
Like other Germans, I thought for a long time that the guilt complex of my compatriots, which has increased to the point of perversion, had something to do with the lost war and the re education they had to endure. That`s why I always envied the (supposed) winners: the English, the Fench and above all the Amricans because of their self-evident national pride and their self-confidence. In the meantime I have learnd that the former Allies are stricken by the same disease, wich destroys all psychological restistance. We, the Germans, wer only the first on whom this diabolical experiment was succesfully tested. Today – and I say this without any Schadenfreude – it is obvious: we lost the war together.
Yes, we lost the war together.
And we can fight back now together.
True words, my friend. And reading & supporting Counter-Currents is in my opinion one of the best ways to do so.
“He lamented that the United States is no longer the country he had fought for and that his friends had died for.”
Yes it is. What did he think would happen in the future? That the United States would freeze in history like a bug in amber and never change?
At no point does he mention race and if he did it wouldn’t be aired. Boomers are notorious for being anti-racialist. Dekel probably considers any actual white nationalists to be part of the country “going to hell in a handbasket”.
“Boomers are notorious for being anti-racialist.”
Yes, in a tiny internet echo chamber they are, and tiny internet echo chambers pass for reality among a disturbing quotient of people these days. But find me a single large-scale opinion poll—just one—where boomers don’t poll far more “racist” than any generation that came after them.
Just one. That’s all I ask —just find me one large-scale opinion poll where boomers don’t express more openly “racialist” views than any generation that came after them.
Find me a single exit poll from any election in the past 20 years where the younger the voters are, the more they lean right. Try to find ONE.
Try to find a single opinion poll where religious belief and belief in traditional values doesn’t increase with age.
And when you prove unable to do that, maybe ask yourself why this meme emerged and for what reason. It’s extremely strange to have a meme with such persistent staying power that has absolutely no basis in facts or statistics and seems entirely rooted in youthful whininess and historical illiteracy.
The boomer meme is easily the dumbest and most ill-conceived meme of all time.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx
Agree. Given we are from the same gene pool, we probably would have reacted similarly to the situations they encountered.
Yes—”same gene pool” is what gets overlooked in this senseless intergenerational squabbling. When a certain cohort spews more venom at boomers of their own race than they do at any non-related group, I have to wonder exactly who’s orchestrating this insanely divisive meme.
Well I think it’s a joke in its origin, but not to be taken too far.
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/06/dont-blame-boomers-blame-their-parents/
I never got the blame the boomer meme either. If anything, with respect to the context of race realism and immigration, if anything it was the generations before the boomer that enshrined Hart Celler into law. I think WWII and the Great Depression may have been too much for them and they simply waxed fat during the idyllic 1950s.
All that got started because of all the Boomers who, when they were young, got lassoed into that Counterculture thing. These, of course, are apart from all the “square” Boomers who did not burn their draft cards and blow dope and all that. Either way, most of the lefties eventually got some life experience and started acting like adults, which is what usually happens. Despite that, the hippy dippy burnouts left their mark in the collective memory which doesn’t account for the fact that most grew up from their extended adolescence.
My parents are boomers…and I’m definitely more race realist than them.
Same here, though so far this is anecdotal evidence. We’d need a lot more data points to have some solid statistical confidence.
I’ve brought my own Boomer parents kicking and at times literally screaming down the race realist rabbit hole, only to see them revert to MSNPC dogma later.
““Boomers are notorious for being anti-racialist.”
Yes, in a tiny internet echo chamber they are, and tiny internet echo chambers pass for reality among a disturbing quotient of people these days.”
Oh, so because the notoriety is confined to a small but knowledgeable group, that it invalidates it?
“But find me a single large-scale opinion poll—just one—where boomers don’t poll far more “racist” than any generation that came after them.”
Fine, challenge accepted:
In the General Social Survey 2014-2016, it was found that under 20% of Silents and Boomers thought “Believe blacks are lazy”. However, for iGen and Millenials, that number rockets up significantly to 30%. Figure 9.13, “iGen: Why Today’s Super-connected Kids Are Growing up Less Rebellious, More Tolerant, Less Happy and Completely Unprepared for Adulthood” (PDF available at z-lib dot org).
In a long running survey of 12th graders (17-18 yrs old for non-America commentators), it was found that “On the side of progress toward racial equality, the number of white teens who think an all-white environment is best has been cut in half to a small minority”, a decline of 1 in 3 12th graders saying this in 1976 (Boomers) to 1 in 6 in 2014.
However, here’s the thing. I highly doubt that those same boomers have held onto that opinion because it’s so deeply unfashionable.
By contrast, Zoomers who have a negative view of diversity do so in the face of experiencing diversity imposed on them every day. So I am going to chalk this one up to Zoomers being more racist than Boomers.
Boomers are, as an almost inviolable general rule, virulently anti-racist. They might have been racist youths but time and time again Boomers are shown to be hardcore “Dems R the Real Racist” Republican leaners. For a particularly nasty example consider what Molly Tibbett’s dad had to say after she was killed by a border jumper he employed.
I’d bet that what you consider as Boomers posting as “racist” is normally fluff polling that doesn’t reflect ideological beliefs, like how support for Trump is taken by Pollsters to be “racist”, or a support for the border wall is “racist”, and so on – It doesn’t address the ideological core of “So long as they come here LEGALLY”.
Boomers and Silents are also overwhelmingly more religious:
“nearly nine-in-ten Silents identified with a religion (mainly Christianity), while just one-in-ten were religiously unaffiliated. And among Boomers, more than eight-in-ten identified with a religion, while fewer than one-in-five were religious “nones.” Among Millennials, by contrast, upwards of one-in-three said they were religiously unaffiliated”
Why does it matter? Because mainstream Christianity is hardcore anti-racism. So your polling about “racist” boomers isn’t touching their ideological adherence to Christian anti-racism. You are taking anti-racist civic nationalism and freely reinterpreting it as being “racist”, when Boomers, are, again, virulently anti-racist.
There’s also the source of the polling to take into account. Pew research weights Millenials as exceeding Boomers as saying “Our country needs to continue making
changes to give blacks equal rights with whites”, (61% vs 53%), but according to “iGen…”:
“In a survey of 14- to 24-year-olds conducted by MTV, 48% of whites agreed that “discrimination against white people has become as big a problem as discrimination against racial minority groups”.
Chalk up another one for Zoomers, who perceive themselves as a race under attack and needing protections, whereas Boomers don’t because they have an outsized share of the wealth – Here’s something for you to think about next time you want to write a reply to me about how Boomers are oh-so-innocent and unfairly maligned by racist Millenials in our evil little cliques:
“Millennials may be the largest generation workforce in the US, but they’re also the least wealthy. The generation holds just 4.6% . . . of US wealth, Bloomberg reported, citing recent Federal Reserve data. Boomers, however, are 10 times wealthier. They hold 53.2%, or $59.96 trillion, of US wealth. That’s also twice the $28.5 trillion of US wealth that Gen X holds.
Most tellingly, this is what Boomers tell their Millenial and Zoomer kids: “In the
MTV survey (of 18 to 24 yr olds), 84% said their family had taught them that everyone should be treated the same no matter what their race.”
In a nutshell:
1) Anti-racist bootstraps silents and boomers own the lions share of U.S wealth, including all the businesses screwing over Millenials by importing illegals or H1B’s
2) Millenials get screwed with antiracist propaganda because of Boomers
3) A small minority of Millenials and Zoomers are galvanised into being explicitly pro-white by all the diversity
4) Boomers get Big Mad because they’re anti-racist Christians, and even if they’re not not anti-racist, they frame their anti-diversity in weird ways like being the Real Israelites & Christian Nationalism
“Try to find a single opinion poll where religious belief and belief in traditional values doesn’t increase with age.”
Why? It’s not relevant. My point was that Dekel was not pro white, or pro racism, in anything he said. Religious beliefs and traditional values can take a hike, I don’t care about them.
“ask yourself why this meme emerged and for what reason.”
Because Boomers are virulently anti-racist and are notorious for being so
I’m sorry, I was distracted — can you repeat that?
Lol
Boy, do I wish your claim that young whites are more right-wing than boomers was true!
“Why do you build me up, Buttercup, just to let me down. And mess me around…”
The challenge:
But find me a single large-scale opinion poll—just one—where boomers don’t poll far more “racist” than any generation that came after them.
Just one. That’s all I ask—just find me one large-scale opinion poll where boomers don’t express more openly “racialist” views than any generation that came after them.
Find me a single exit poll from any election in the past 20 years where the younger the voters are, the more they lean right. Try to find ONE.
You didn’t cite one survey that compared zoomer opinions to boomer opinions within the same survey. You just cited random zoomer opinions when asked by people at MTV and then tried to compare them to a different survey where people were responding to a different question. There are no boomer stats to compare in what you cited. THAT was the challenge. It was a challenge to compare generational opinions within the SAME SURVEY.
Then you followed up with a string of unsubstantiated anecdotal opinions about how you think the generations act en masse—which is EXACTLY what everyone who peddles this dumb meme does.
Here are FIVE more studies that prove my point and undermine yours. It took me five minutes to find these. Give me 20 minutes more, and I’ll find 20 more. You still can’t find one:
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-gen-z-feels-about-george-floyd-protests-2020-6
https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2019/1/29/unpacking-millennials-racial-attitudes
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2016/06/28/diversity-defines-the-millennial-generation/
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/05/14/on-the-cusp-of-adulthood-and-facing-an-uncertain-future-what-we-know-about-gen-z-so-far-2/
https://www.stylus.com/black-lives-matter-activism-generational-divide
“Here’s something for you to think about next time you want to write a reply to me about how Boomers are oh-so-innocent”
Poor reading comprehension alert! I’ve repeatedly stated that no generation is morally superior to another—I’ve done that in this very thread. Multiple times. I’ve said that no generation has the agency to set policy, only to be influenced by policy. Why is the straw-man fallacy the default argumentative mode for you types?
Please, make it more difficult than this. You’re making it too easy.
Carl Dekel is not of the Boomer generation. The Boomers did not fight in WWII – they came after it.
I’m aware of this. I’m attacking a Wicker Man-sized straw man that refuses to die but needs to be burned to the ground.
The statistical fact is that every succeeding generation has tilted more leftward. So if you want to blame generations—it’s a dumb thing to do, and it seems based on the idea that generations actually have the agency to shape circumstances intead of being shaped by circumstances beyond their control—then the Zoomers are by far the most leftist and anti-racialist generation in American history.
If you trust exit polls, the only generational cohorts that went for Trump in 2020 were the over-50 crowd.
I’ve no doubt that you’re aware of it. I intended my comment as a reply to Buttercup, not to your apposite response, with which I agree entirely.
I was logging in to amend my comment to note that “Buttercup” simply used the article to go boomer-bashing, but you beat me to it.
Mind you, as a misanthrope, I don’t think any generation is superior to another. We’re all rotten. But I think you have to live a while to realize how little an effect you actually have on historical circumstances. Things are mostly decided for us.
But the persistence of this “boomer” thing fascinates me, especially since it is entirely divorced from reality. I spent the first half of my life explaining that I wasn’t responsible for slavery. Now I apparently have to spend the rest of my life explaining why I didn’t crash the economy or let all these immigrants in. I was too busy working.
For all that these people want to rag on boomers, here’s something they have completely in common with them—they blame their elders for everything. The hippies did it, and now the e-trads are doing it. The difference is that there’s nothing biblical or “traditional” about wanting your elders to be smothered to death by fat black nurses.
Boomers were happy to actively participate in the looting of America and the selling out of their own children. Every consequential action from the de-industrialization of our economy, to its extreme financialization, to immigration, women’s rights, integration, civil rights, etc was supported and expanded by boomers, who have held all the political power for 50 years. You say boomers are more right wing and race conscious than the younger generations, but who is at fault for allowing our ancient enemy to subvert those children? Boomers like to dump on the younger generations for their profligate spending, but I ask you, what happens to those cushy retirement accounts if your children stop buying Starbucks and Chinese junk off of Amazon? Gonna be tough to chill out in Florida with an empty retirement account.
The boomer hate might be a bit of a forced meme, as the usual suspects love to divide us from each other, but it would be easier to overcome if boomers would acknowledge their collective guilt in the devastation of the younger generations, rather than just whining about how right wing they are.
I don’t think you honestly believe this asinine ranting. You are banned from commenting here.
Most of the millennials and gen exes I know are living off the wealth of their boomer parents.
I never voted for increased immigration. I don’t think anyone did. Neither did anyone vote for massive government deficits. Neither did anyone ever vote for the deindustrialization of the economy. In fact, the Immigration Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights Act were passed before any boomer was even old enough to vote. These were all things that were done TO us, not BY us.
So since we had no hand in making these decisions, what should we have done? Rioted in the streets? Overthrown the government? Real brave talk from a generation that’s mostly terrified of posting under their own names.
Again, it’s a stupid meme with zero basis in reality that’s only embraced by the historically illiterate and those who’ve never known any kind of life outside of their smartphones. There is not a single angle from which it makes the slightest sense. It only exists to give younger people a baseless and unearned sense of moral superiority, just like every other self-righteous dumbass on the internet.
Good luck with that whole “we will force-shame you into bowing before us and acknowledging your ‘collective guilt’ for things you never did” strategy. Let me know how that works out for ya.
“You say boomers are more right wing and race conscious than the younger generations, but who is at fault for allowing our ancient enemy to subvert those children?”
The government. To be more specific, certain ideologically-inclined bureaucrats in high positions who took it on themselves to do this.
The boomer meme was created by the sane people who were telling young folks in the 1960s “…kill your parents,” and “…don’t trust anyone over 30.” You know, the Jerry Rubins and Abbie Hoffmans. Those guys.
There’s a machine at work at the heart of the System that dominates us, whose main function it is to indoctrinate the youth and ruin its future. Every generation, it succeeds in taking a large chunk of people and renders them demoralised, degenerate or depressed, and useless/hostile to their own race. A large portion of these people then wind up working for the System – it is its foremost method of recruitment. This is true for Boomers, Gen X’ers, Millennials and Zoomers too. It’s a problem for all each generation since WW2 and it will continue to be so for each generation to come. You could argue that it’s more successful in some generations than others, but I believe it’s about the same each time. Blaming one generation for an affliction that plagues all generations that grow up under the System is pure folly.
People talk like hostile criticism against boomers is on par with antifa’s treatment of us, or blacks would be towards Carl Dekel. HateSpeechEnjoyer’s comments were imperfectly legitimate, fair for discussion, and in-bounds. If saying that gets me banned next, like we’re posting N-towers and slur-screaming on Chimpmania, then so be it. DarkPlato’s comment illustrates my point. Their progeny may be spoiled moochers and hunter bidenesque trash but the parents, those parents, are disinterested enablers who, across a generation gap have, in their own color-blind, judeophiliac, bong-hazed way contributed to these conditions no different than anti-White purple-haired degenerates or donors to the israeli lobby and splc’s of today. The 46-64 hate isn’t justifiably applicable to all, but it certainly is for too many, and the historical destiny of nations rising and falling regardless of human will does not absolve people from recognizing and taking meaningful action in their personal lives to curb the destructive tide-by vote (or not voting), racial cognizance & true anti-establishment-approved education, breaking the hypnotic spells of slander, and rejecting the all within, nothing outside, nothing against economics creeds. Why is he banned for saying what Savitri, Evola, or Yockey would’ve taken as givens and gone to far more extreme heights of analysis and proposals? The effects of personal pushback may be nil, but the attempt should be a requirement of every citizen, which need not be Sturmabteilung street fights. Then maybe our countries wouldn’t be this far gone if even incremental percentages of boomers, doomers, and zoomers oh my! were not so content with soothing lullaby consumer propaganda as long as I got my money. That isn’t asinine ranting, it’s a valid take.
Some interesting data from the time:
https://t.me/thuletide/2948
Sincere question: do other racial groups have this intergenerational conflict as well, or is this boomer vs gen x vs millennial vs zoomer strictly a white pathology? Could it be they have found yet another way for us to hate our own kind? Things that make you go hmmmm
“Sincere question: do other racial groups have this intergenerational conflict as well, or is this boomer vs gen x vs millennial vs zoomer strictly a white pathology? Could it be they have found yet another way for us to hate our own kind? Things that make you go hmmmm”
I was wondering the same thing. As far as I know this is a white “thang”. I don’t think any of the pre-“Boomer” white generations engaged in this kind of internecine bickering either. They used to refer to the older customs as “old fashioned” which seems like a compliment. If you ever watch the old Westerns from the 1920’s and 1930’s, it seems like they idealized the old west of their grandparents.
I think the conflict started in the 1960’s when the PTB used the mass media to heavily promote the Counter-Culture in an attempt to turn young whites against their parents.
The C/C massage to young white people was to engage in peace and love, turn against your parents and give up the warring ways of previous white generations. Embrace the other races as your brothers and sisters.
The C/C message to young black people was to pull together as a race, seek black power and embrace your rage against white people.
White “Boomers” largely refused the C/C programming so the PTB had to create new conflicts to divide whites, such as Women’s “rights”, to try and turn us against each other. This inter-generational conflict just seems like more of the same.
They’ve managed some minor level of success in turning whites against each other but I think what has really given them a boost is the massive influx of immigrants from the 3rd world. Combine them with blacks and that minority of whites who’ve bought into the C/C and woke propaganda and they have political power on a level equal to the rest of the white populace.
As far as I know, Jews do not generally engage in inter-generational conflict either.
It may have been Wilmot Robertson or Kevin MacDonald who pointed out that many of the most strident ’60s radicals encouraged their goyisch peers to engage in behavior that often put them in stark conflict with their patriotic families while the agitators themselves were often Jews who were frequently egged on and lavishly praised by their own Jewish parents.
It’s a phenomenon in Asian and Hispanic families as well. Time will tell if it proves to be a problem for Muslim immigrants and their progeny the longer they live in the Liberal West. This is purely anecdotal but I’m seeing a lot more younger Arabic girls around without a headscarf on lately.
Not sure what you think a boomer is, but I’m pretty sure that none of them fought in WWII.
Yeah, they can’t even get the definitions straight.
The Boomer generation was born between 1946 and 1964, which means that the youngest Boomers are now in their Sixties or pushing it hard.
I would be surprised if Mollie Tibbetts’ father was that old, to be honest.
And the oldest Boomers were not even old enough to vote when Hart-Celler passed in 1965, although they were Draft age or pretty close to it when Vietnam ramped up.
The “Boomers” were born when birth rates started to normalize a little after the Depression and World War II.
Back to the new industrial normal, I guess, because birthrates had gone down even before those events, as 20th century sodbusters were leaving the farms where they could not find work for the big city.
I also don’t understand why people think that the Boomers soaked up all the fat of the land somehow. Wages have not kept up with inflation since 1968, so I cannot possibly see how this could be the case. I realize that some things are harder (by light years) than they used to be like owning a home. But most Boomers were just not Wall Street tycoons.
Some people seem to have a pretty selective view about how government actually responds to mass-market conditioning. We are supposed to be the most-conditioned generation and the most powerful and malignant one as well. Some Xoomers need to put down the X-Box and get their damn narratives sorted.
The people who fought in World War II are actually two generations removed from the “Boomers.” They were the people that “Silent” generation Tom Brokaw (born 1940) called the “Greatest” generation.
I agree that this “Generational Astrology” comes a lot from the Counter-Culture of the 1960s which asserted that everything their parents did was selfish and wrong and that dope was what was really “Happening.” But not every young person thought that way, and I can remember those times. Plus, even the Hippies largely grew out of it. I guess most of the Punks will too. I guess.
I’m a younger Boomer. I remember asking my Grandfather when I was a kid in the 1960s what the “Generation Gap” was all about. I had probably heard the term on television or something. He gave me a long and really thoughtful answer, and then I went out to go play. I now wish that I could actually remember what he said.
The point that I want to make about our centenarian WWII veteran in the article is that his is one voice out of MANY who lived those times, but who is still with us. I can remember a lot of these elderly guys when they were far less elderly, both Germans and Americans.
I was raised to revere my ancestors and, while I sometimes thought they were old-fashioned, the older I get the more I realize just how remarkable they were.
Back in High School, we had a History teacher who went around and got old World War I veterans in the region to come to our class and we would ask them questions.
Some of the questions were very good and the answers were interesting. They told us things that most of us have never experienced, like what it was like to live with kerosene lamps on the frontier before rural electrification or indoor plumbing, and long before the “cavalry” was only a 911 phone call away.
One guy from a nursing home in Idaho had taught both Charles Lindbergh and Admiral Byrd how to fly. He told how Lindbergh just plopped down a wad of cash and knew exactly what he wanted.
Another codger could still fit into his old American Expeditionary Force uniform, and wore it to class for us. You had to speak up a little bit. He said that his hearing loss was from the big guns in France, but I wondered if his being an octogenarian also had something to do with it. He was still pretty convinced that Kaiser Bill had to be stopped at any cost. I was not so sure, but that is how he felt and I didn’t try to berate the man for thinking so. This old Doughboy would have been about my great-grandparents’ age, so over 130 if he were still alive today.
The thing is, we all have a connection to our past and to our History. If we talk to the older people when we are young, and if we talk to the younger people when we are old, this goes a long way to understanding where we all come from.
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Why are you bringing boomers into this?
I have deliberately avoided watching this video and have no intention of changing my mind. But, in the review of it – the old guy was quoted as reminiscing about ‘how much fun’ he had had, and then lamenting that today’s American kids will be deprived of that.
I wondered when I read that, was he talking about how much ‘fun’ he had killing his fellow White German kinsmen?
You’d almost think the Germans weren’t the ones who declared war on the US. And surely the Germans had no compunctions about killing white American or French or English kinsmen.
Well, when the Americans started to amp up their economy to send Lend-Lease military aid to Germany’s enemies, including the Soviets, war was inevitable, and FDR could hardly wait.
In his Fireside Chats, Roosevelt explained Lend-Lease like they were just lending out a fire hose to a neighbor to put out a fire ─ but that fire hose was like “lending chewing gum” in the words of Sen. Taft, “you don’t want it back.”
Plus the U.S. Navy was escorting British shipping with orders to shoot German ships on sight. German neutrality orders were to avoid American ships at any cost, and Hitler was very serious about avoiding war with the Americans.
German U-Boat Skipper Erich Topp sank the destroyer USS Reuben James over a month before Pearl Harbor and was court-martialed. His defense was that he thought it was a British ship because it had been attacking them so aggressively. (It was busy dropping depth-charges on another U-Boat.)
Roosevelt beat the drums for war but declined to mention that the USS Reuben James was escorting a British convoy, dropping depth charges ─ and not flying the American ensign.
The Greatest Generation was told that their government only wanted peace.
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Germany declared war after two years of undeclared warfare waged on her by the USA.Adolfs naval commanders had been begging him for two years to be allowed to respond to US ships firing on their vessels entirely unprovoked. I’m not going to dig into my books to make a long point but realizing who was largely running the allied governments ,as I’m sure you do,shouldn’t make my assertion seem like too long a stretch. And no ,I’m not one of ‘Dolfs fans. The Germans had an enormous number of the chosen in key positions and I find it difficult to believe they weren’t played every bit as much as “we” were. Thanks for all your work Dr. J … I’ll kick into the fund beyond buying CC books when my economy recovers from all the wonders I/we ‘ve enjoyed so much these last two years .
Scott, thanks for the Reuben James information, I learned something new. Yuri, do you have any names of Jewish men in high positions in Hitler’s Germany?
Lazyman. Sorry for not taking time to do that. I’ll get back in some depth later . I have less time than usual and my memory has long left me . Goering was well known for declaring “I’ll decide who’s aryan around here” ,or something much like that . #2 in the luftwaffe up to the start of the war at least made procurement decisions that delayed getting the me262 into service till mid ‘44 with small numbers when it could have been a mainstay of regular leftwaffe in ‘38 . That plane was a generation ahead of anything anyone had and would have cleaned out the sky’s from anything not wanted . I’ll get back with more though ,it would be a handy list to have. Thx.
Could you offer me a believable reason why Germans should not have fought and killed White American soldiers who were allied with the jews who had been so busy with their subversion, exploitation of German society and their diabolically evil efforts to impose jewish Bolshevik Communism upon the German people, just like they had already succeeded in doing to the Russian people?
I think the evidence that we fought on the wrong side in WW2 is beyond any reasonably intelligent pro-White Nationalist’s ability to deny. I mean, look at the sheer destruction that the Frankfort School Cultural Marxist jews have done to White Western Civilization here in America and around the world in almost every other historic White Western nation with their synchronized opening of the borders of every White nation and then flooding those nations with millions of racially hostile, racially and culturally incompatible and indigestible non-white aliens. Had Hitler not rose to power – those Frankfurt School Cultural Marxist jews had plans to do the same thing to Germany that they later did to the United States.
Hence, I harbor zero criticism for White German’s killing White American soldiers in their unfortunately unsuccessful attempt to defeat International jewry’s agenda to destroy Germany’s efforts to rid themselves of jewish domination and tyranny.
Incidentally, if CW2 ever were break out here in the USA – racially healthy White Americans who are fully red pilled on the JQ are very likely going to have to face these Christ-insanity treasonous Whites who are worshipers of these subversive, White race hating Semitic termites on the field of battle. And, they will be faced with the same decisions that those German soldiers were faced with when they had to do battle with White American soldiers.
“Nowadays I am so upset that the things we did, the things we fought for, and the boys that died for it are all going down the drain.”
I would say he was fooled into believing what he thought he was fighting for, and was oblivious of what he was actually fighting for. This is why I have always been wary of blind patriotism and mindless flag waving, which America was full of in the WWII period. He should have listened to Charles Lindbergh.
Lindbergh actually assisted in the war effort once hostilities began. The patriot that he was, he wanted his side to win, and win quickly to minimize the damages. Men like Dekel may have been of the same mind.
After the Pearl Harbor attack, Lindbergh publicly supported the United States war effort. He went on to fly dozens of combat missions as a civilian contractor in the Pacific Theater of World War II. It seems he was reacting to Japan’s aggression, not the situation in Europe. Lindbergh was a Europeanist who saw the peoples of the US and Europe as sharing the same larger civilization — Western civilization.
Excellent essay, Spencer. These two excerpts stood out to me:
The Second World War should be remembered as the struggle between progress in the form of liberal democracy on one hand and Communism on the other against various forms of traditionalism and blood-and-soil nationalism. The war was sold to ordinary Americans as that of the forces of freedom fighting the forces of tyranny, but in truth the Soviets were far more tyrannical than the Nazis — and more murderous as well.
If only this truth were taught in our public schools.
We should have…let the Germans and Soviets slug it out over Eastern Europe, if that’s what they wanted to do. Better yet, we should have insisted upon the transfer agreement for the Jews, which would have seen the Jews of Germany sent to Palestine, and then offered as much aid as possible to the Germans.
And the world would be a much better place today. Hitler made a huge mistake by adopting an anti-Russian policy (rather than merely an anti-Soviet and anti-Jewish policy). He should have aimed to liberate the Russian homeland and extirpate communism, and then divided territory between the German Reich and the newly liberated and restored Russia.
Will I do reject the silly and nonsensical “boomer” comment, Buttercup does have a point that it may be a mistake for the Right to embrace Dekel as “our guy” when what he said about America is so vague that a Leftist would probably nod his head in agreement with it as well. Dekel could just as easily have been referring to January 6, Charlottesville, and so on as to mass immigration, civil rights, wokeness, etc.
Good point, I can see folks like Mr. Dekel waxing on about the ‘divisiveness’ and ‘polarization’ of the country and even the mass shootings and violence. But I suspect EVERY MAN of that generation when shown images of brown hordes invading the border, or drag queen story hour, or the changing of names and toppling of statues, they’d recoil in horror. And they’d do the same when you show them people who were attacked for defending the Lee statue, and as for Jan. 6 Dekel would say ‘what the hell are these people in jail for?!?’
“In many places in America, you could see strong and fondly-regarded remnants of 1900 in 1940, and of 1940 in 1980.”
I remember experiencing this in the late 80’s and early 90’s when I’d visit my Great Uncle and Grandparents. Both had the old fashioned ice box that still worked like a charm despite being decades old. My Great Uncle had one of those furniture style TV sets where you had to turn the dial to change the channel. It felt like being in another dimension.
Hahahaha! Thanks for making me feel old – or nostalgic. The way you said it – “one of those furniture style TV sets where you had to turn the dial to change the channel”. That’s exactly the kind of TV we (and everybody else!) had for most of my youth (not that my parents let me watch it much, thank God!). I may be wrong, but I don’t think digital channel changing or “remotes” really took off until the 80s.
My point being, that wasn’t all that long ago!! It’s a funny thing, getting up there in years (and I’m only 60!).
My grandparents had one of those furniture style television sets with a dial to change the channels (for stations 2 through 13 plus something called “UHF” which brought in a lot of static; no one seemed to know why there was no channel 1). There were other dials to adjust the horizontal and vertical. Real outer limits stuff. The astute television viewer in those days had to keep a pair of pliers handy because one of the dials would go missing and that was the only way to change channels!
Finally I have an answer. There would’ve been a channel one, but early on the FCC decided to do something else with the bandwidth previously planned for it.
This is indeed what they fought for though. I won’t mock our antecedents for fighting the wrong side because nearly all of them were drafted into these stupid wars until after Vietnam. They retrospectively took pride in being veterans of these dumb wars that only expanded the writ of ZOG. The demographics were so wildly different back then that the klan, the German-American Bund and even Italian-American fascist groups were against each other. Basically, internecine white factionalism, perhaps even worse than today because there were relatively so few nonwhites worldwide and in white countries that it was taken for granted. So these different groups did not see each other as a popular front under the banner of ‘white’ like they do unwittingly today. That’s why I do not take pride in our ancestors’ settling these former colonial outposts because they fought primarily against their own people in Europe at certain points to gain or maintain ‘independence’ from Europe.
“We should also understand that nationalism is a beautiful thing — until it isn’t.”
This is the concept that appears to routinely be misunderstood. All good things have limits, be it capitalism, tolerance, pride, and so forth.
“Since that catastrophe cannot be undone, the best way to reverse its insidious effects is for whites everywhere to coalesce — at least in their hearts — into a single white nation, which contains multiple cooperating diasporas. This will hopefully help to maintain our continuity as a race, make us more suspicious of outsiders who don’t wish us well, and render apocalyptic civil wars like the Second World War less likely to occur.
There will always be war, of course, whether among whites or not. This is a fact of life. But under the White Nationalist model outlined above, the great civilization that whites created will be maintained regardless of war.”
This is the correct model.
It’s hard for us to get there. White people are reluctant to accept it. We want to be told that some form of blood and soil nationalism, or some form of “non-racial” internationalism, which really means antiwhite internationalism, will work. No, the old ways do not work. They never did, and they never will.
If we want better results than the old ways gave us, that is better than back-to-back world wars, and better than White genocide politics under a “Liberal World Order,” then we need pro-White internationalism, even though that is not what we are used to.
The story reminds me of the movie: The best years of our lives from 1946. When the one veteran, as a waiter in the diner, beats up the guest who tells him the truth about this war right to his face.
That is a good point. The guy in The Best Years of Our Lives was correct in that the war was NOT fought for American national interests and was misguided.
But he was not very tactful about it since another veteran was right there pathetically attempting to eat his chocolate sundae with hooks for hands.
The frustrated America Firster was not wrong but should have done a little tone policing since real sacrifices had been made.
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https://youtu.be/D4EjRzzRQLI
If the American Firster had simply muttered about “Jews” what would that scene look like now? Even in the film they avoided the final argument. It is always fun to do the whole thing about the US saving the Brits… And then turn around and tell the American that perhaps Churchill should have been replaced by Oswald Moseley.
@Bruce Morrow … Directing this at you because the “reply” function ceases to exist after a certain number of replies.
Abbie Hoffman was born in 1936. Jerry Rubin was born in 1938. Neither one of them fell within 7 years of the arbitrarily designated boomer cohort (born in 1945-1965).
In the end, Hoffman and Rubin wound up debating one another about the value of capitalism, with Rubin reborn as an obnoxious, Perrier-sipping, pro-capitalism yuppie. They couldn’t even agree on the basics. And then Abbie Hoffman killed himself. Rubin died because he was dumb enough to walk into LA traffic.
Neither one was ever embraced by the majority of any generational cohort. They were both viewed as freaks and outliers.
So, as always, the boomer meme fails to explain anything, much less indict an entire generation. It’s a staggeringly stupid meme.
I’ve likened the boomer meme to “generational astrology.” As dumb as astrology is—I mean, without a scintilla of evidence, it assigns similar character traits to people who were born within the same monthlong span—generational astrology is 240 times dumber, since it assigns similar character traits to people born within the same 20-year span.
@Jim Goad re: boomer meme. Many of the mistakes the West has made become mainstream in the 60s and 70s, and it’s easy to picture tons of Boomers cheering these changes on.
The anger towards them comes from the realization that the problems were relatively easy to solve then, but very difficult now.
Is it fair? The people that initiated these mistakes were likely not Boomers, but rather Great Generation. But Boomers got left holding the bag because they were visible agents when the changes really gained momentum, and (as a group) they did not stop the processes.
This is (a little) before my time, but that is my reading of the situation.
“the problems were relatively easy to solve then,”
Explain how any of these problems would have been easy to solve then. I’m all ears.
“they did not stop the processes.”
Again, how would this have been achieved? Didn’t Nixon get elected twice—the second time by a landslide? Clearly, voting didn’t really matter much.
It’d be insanely easy for me to blame 20-year-olds for failing to “stop the processes” of what’s happening right now. It’s extremely tempting to blame them for Drag Queen Story Hour, the Summer of Floyd, white privilege lectures, inflation, etc. But I won’t do that. If I walked up to your average Extremely Online Zoomer and blamed them for failing to stop what’s going on right now, they’d rightly say, “But I didn’t have any control over those decisions!” And I’d reply, “Yeah, so now you know what it feels like, ya brat.” As I’ve said repeatedly, I guess one has to be quite young to be naive enough to think they have the agency to change history.
Can you name a single person from 1965 who could have accurately predicted what 2022 would look like? It’s been a slow process of boiling the frog. It wasn’t the boomers, or the greatest generation, or ANY generation en masse that made the decisions that changed the world. It was a tiny fraction of the elites, who definitely weren’t honest about their plans. It’s always been that way.
“It was a tiny fraction of the elites, who definitely weren’t honest about their plans. It’s always been that way.”
Whether this is a valid justification or cope is above my pay grade. I can see good arguments both ways.
I’ll say this: I believe it is possible to construct a system that does a much better job of resisting the subversion of the modern West, and that whoever writes the next foundation documents for a society should do so.
Thank you for this very well written and spot-on piece Spencer. He is a phenomenal man, Mr. Dekel.
Yes, we lost WWII and our country in now under complete, Jewish supremacist control. Everything, all industries, and over 70% of the government, is controlled by Jews and we are all suffering for it as are many other parts of the world.
One of my favorite books btw, is Richard Tedor’s, ‘Hitler’s Revolution. Tedor does a very good job documenting what life was like under Hitler and the National Socialists (it was great!). He also makes the case that the German’s would have won Normandy but that it was the German aristocracy who sabotaged the German forces.
We must keep our heads up and keep getting our message out there. Americans are suffering financially and are listening. No action is too small.
@Uncle Semantic … again, the reply function ceases to exist after a while, so I’m responding to you here.
Without needing to reveal your identity or age, please tell me what you’ve actually done as a person that has substantively turned the tide of history toward something you’d find more palatable.
Also, do you think human nature pretty much remains constant? Do you think that, if born in the same era and under the same circumstances, every generation would react to their enviroment the same way? If not, and if you ascribe to generational astrology and think that different generations have different identifiable character traits, how does a whole generation conspire to be lazy, shiftless, selfish, etc.? What causes this?
I agree Jim that blaming an entire generation is ridiculous but there are certain character traits in each generation that ring true. As a Gen Xer i absolutely see people in my age group that fit the profile, don’t get me started on Millenials, can’t stand them. i saw Boomers move into academia en masse and they did bring all their indoctrination with them. We were a little more skeptical of all that shit because Boomers were our parents/peers. I think it really started to bear fruit with Millennials who really took it to heart. Boomers were hardly to blame for all of this mess though, although from what ive seen they did have a hand in helping push things more leftward towards the young. Again though, blaming Boomers is a simplistic way of trying to come to terms with what happened. Did a large amount of Boomers swallow Marxism? yeah they did, but what about all the badass outlaw bikers in the 60s? Or the tens of thousands of young men who actually volunteered for Vietnam to “fight communism “? What a lot of these online shit talkers don’t realize is that there were tons of people back then who saw the direction this country was going and either tried to stop it or didn’t agree with it. I think what’s happening now was already in the works and there wasn’t much anyone could do about it.
Sure. I’m 37/m and have done absolutely nothing substantial let alone historically relevant and whatever mini-accomplishments I have are as negligible as a flea fart. I do see human nature as pretty much constant, not across vast evolutionary timelines from Neanderthals to now, but within century-spans they’re the same. People need and want shelter, sex, food, purpose, community, adventurism, power, and not die in agony. Our shoes are bigger and wide receivers seem to get more talented yearly but that’s it. I know nothing of astrology but wouldn’t casually dismiss it as James Randian woo-woo. My criticism isn’t a tar-and-feathering generational indictment that puts the 70’s and after-born somehow above people born before. It’s easy to scorn the drafted and say you should’ve mass-refused or done this or that when today’s negrophiliac gender-bending is swallowed as smoothly as “civil rights” screeds and sex, drugs, rock n’ roll. “Do you think that, if born in the same era and under the same circumstances, every generation would react to their environment the same way?” Yes. The twenty-year-old’s today protesting Patriot Front or milo would be willing to hear George Lincoln Rockwell at yesterday’s Berkeley; people are pliable and will adapt to the country’s changes like Marty McFly to 1955 or 2015 and the men would be in fedoras or tricorns instead of sweats and crocks. CC’s growth from ten years ago to now has positive proselytizing effects across the world; information & suppressed truth that needs to be spoken attracts people, changes minds, the more numbers you draw the more power you get till policy changes and local to national transformative power becomes a very real possibility. My ire is at the apathetic many who don’t care about what we in the comments know to be true, and I believe the placating effects of amerikan life/cosmopolitanism, imposed from above, has kept generational majorities unconcerned with any higher/more important matters than their own selves. The have-nots worry themselves sick about not making enough money to survive, and the haves just do what they do. That blame is not being 60, it’s incurious mopery; when compounded by millions of think-nots we get today’s world. So individual fault does lie in not giving a shit or being shanghaied by the usual suspects into the abyss of misdirection. The boomer hatin’ me cliche reeks too much of saying you’re all the same to blacks and all schnozzenfelds are in on the conspiracy; it’s convenient but also untrue and ignorant. I’m angrier at millennials because the anti-White propaganda is so gross and in the internet age with screaming crazy as the rule they should know better. The rot is just more blatant now then it was then. What should they do about it? I guess a hardline distrust and anger towards establishment media, medical, military, pharma, politicians, USPD’s, banks, courts, universities, and the church would be a start. When in doubt, instead of jesus I ask WWtJ’sD? If zuckerberg and dan crenshaw draw wrath from the millennial pool then louis freeh, bill gates, and john bolton should from the old as well. “What causes this?” Mostly international terrorist jewry and years of White male pussification. This isn’t a castigation of anything uniquely boomer but of caution-tossin’ gullible and/or dismissive minds that haven’t taken heed, with broken bullshit detectors.
When in doubt, instead of jesus I ask WWtJ’sD?
Very much so. A good heuristic for navigating United Statesian multiculture:
Fight like a Detroit jogger
Think like a Manhattan Jew
Agreed, but doing the first against the first gets you prosecuted by the second. End result of decades of running like a sprinter instead of standing like a fighter.
Is it possible the boomer meme is being promoted simply to help younger people accept a purge of the elderly now that the Social Security Trust Fund has been looted and our nations unfunded pension liabilities for the next 75 years total over $170 trillion?
https://www.usdebtclock.org/
“Is it possible the boomer meme is being promoted simply to help younger people accept a purge of the elderly now that the Social Security Trust Fund…”
Bingo! We have a winner! This has been my suspicion for a while now:
I believe it’s related to pensions, Medicare, and the whole Social Security scam. Boomers paid into these funds with the naive but innocent understanding that their money would be returned. Instead, the government spent it on other frivolities such as wars for Israel and keeping the Federal Reserve happy, so there’s no money left, and naturally the younger generations will have to pay. I believe that the elites want to get the younger generations so angry at the Boomers that they cut off what was promised to them—so angry, they dream of the day that Boomers get murdered in nursing homes.
Your Taki article is an excellent analysis of the issue (you must be a Gemini). Divide and conquer is what the Boomer meme is all about.
Younger generations should take heed, since unfunded pension liabilities are projected out 75 years, you’re next on the chopping block.
The Right needs to move on from World War II.
I’m still mad about the Siege of Syracuse in 212 B.C.
Don’t even get me started on the African invasion of Europe and subsequent genocide of our Neanderthal ancestors. (Did the Jews put them up to it?) Perhaps Africans owe us Europeans some reparations for that atrocity.
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