Counter-Currents
A Response to Critics of My Stance on the Jewish Rightward Shift
Spencer J. Quinn
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“I don’t believe in luck. I believe in being prepared.” — Olympic wrestling champion Dan Gable
“I don’t believe in psychology. I believe in good moves.” — World chess champion Bobby Fischer
Let’s do a thought experiment.
Suppose a critical number of influential black women get tired of the black-white miscegenation being depicted in our advertising. In many cases, such ads suggest black men having intimate access to attractive white women. Black women find this threatening, since such behavior would naturally reduce their chances of finding or keeping husbands. Suppose further that these women launch a campaign to reduce such depictions, and ironically present many of the same arguments found in Rich Houck’s classic Counter-Currents essay “The War on Whites in Advertising.” This ultimately pits black women against the deep pockets promoting “Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” (DEI), many of whom are Jews. In this particular front of the culture wars, the dissident Right would find temporary allies in ethnocentric black women.
Question: What should the dissident Right do about this?
Answer: Nothing.
When outgroup members squabble, it’s best to stay out of their way. Alienate neither in order to give them no reason to find common cause against you. Also, ingratiate yourself with neither so as not to remind them of your differing motives.
This was essentially my point in my recent Counter-Currents essay, “When Jews Wander Right.” Thanks to the ongoing war in Gaza and competing ethnocentric concerns among non-whites, many diaspora Jews are finding an increasingly frosty home on the Left, where they have made their nest for the past century and a half. This has recently had the visible consequence of causing influential Jews to drift rightward in response. As synagogues receive bomb threats and Jewish symbols become targets of vandalism, Jewish billionaires are now turning their backs on Ivy League universities and Left-wing Jewish zealots such as Abe Foxman are having second thoughts about DEI, something that has benefitted diaspora Jews for many years.
Again, what should the dissident Right do about this? Again, the answer is nothing. By wandering right, Jews will find themselves wrangling more and more with their erstwhile allies on the Left — namely blacks, browns, and Muslims. This is a good thing, and it needs to continue for two excellent reasons:
- It makes our demographic enemies weaker and less cohesive. Imagine millions of Lefties refusing to vote for Joe Biden in 2024 because of his support for Israel. Good thing, no?
- It gives whites the opportunity to benefit from whatever changes Right-shifting Jews can help to implement. Imagine moratoriums on affirmative action and Muslim immigration. Good things, no?
Many commenters seemed to mistakenly believe that I am calling for dissident whites to ally themselves with these wandering Jews — to befriend them or invite them into our ranks. But I never said this, and I don’t advocate for it. I did say, however, that “[w]hites now have some powerful Jewish allies in the fight against racial diversity.” This is no different than having black female allies in the thought experiment above. By “allies” I simply mean two groups that happen to share a common enemy; nothing more. However, I understand that the word “ally” implies friendship or something beyond mere utilitarian cooperation, so the commenters who pointed this out are well taken. But does English even have a word to describe two unaffiliated and potentially antagonistic forces who happen to struggle against a common enemy? Perhaps I should have written, “Whites are now receiving some unexpected assistance from powerful Jews in the fight against racial diversity.” This probably would have gone down more smoothly, and in hindsight it represents my thoughts more clearly.
Also, I believe these commenters may have misunderstood my constant use of negative language when describing how the dissident Right should react to the Jewish turn toward the Right. I never suggested trusting or becoming friends with Jews. I suggested rather that we not be “as unwelcoming to the Jews as the Left currently is.” I also suggested we not spurn them. Both fall comfortably into the “do nothing” category of response. Nothing, in this case, is more welcoming than threatening to bomb synagogues or vandalizing menorahs. It also holds up our end of the quid pro quo I mentioned in the essay: Jews shift rightward in their struggles against their former rainbow coalition, and in return, we lay off the insults. We reduce our output of gratuitous anti-Jew memes and practice restraint when it comes to classic anti-Semitism.
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Who’s getting the better end of the bargain here? Yes, as one commenter did mention, it is sad that Jews seem to have more agency than whites when it comes to pursuing white interests. I agree. Then again, whose fault is that? After having much of the ethnocentrism beaten out of us in two civil wars, American and Russian, and two world wars, whites have ended up as being a little too nice for their own good. It’s our job at Counter-Currents to change that, which of course will take time. And if a handful of Right-shifting Jews help to buy us this time, who are we to stop them just because they’re Jews? Isn’t that cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face?
We on the dissident Right may think we are on the fringe, but we’re not. Influential Jews pay close attention to what we say online, and this could potentially impel or impede their rightward shift depending on how we play our cards. If this shift continues, and if it continues to produce tangible, pro-white results, then white dissidents lose nothing by cutting back on the classic anti-Semitism — but not, of course, the reasoned and truthful counter-Semitism found at sites such as Counter-Currents and The Occidental Observer.
Greg Johnson asks:
Wouldn’t it be better for whites if Jewish control were less rather than more stable? Wouldn’t it be better for Jews to be at odds with non-whites and whites alike?
The answer to both is yes. Jews will always put themselves at odds with whites, and have historically put themselves more at odds with whites than with any other group. In fact, they have been making strenuous efforts not to be at odds with non-whites. For example, David Cole has described how, back in May 2020, many high-powered Jews downplayed the overtly anti-Jewish pogroms in Los Angeles simply because many of their perpetrators were black. Insane, yes. But it goes to show how dedicated to their anti-white rainbow coalition so many Jews really were.
But that was before the Gaza war. Now it has become much harder for Jews to call for Jewish-black solidarity, especially when Black Lives Matter declares itself to be in solidarity with the Jews’ sworn enemies. Thus we have the turn toward the Right, which threatens to put Jews at odds with other groups just as much as they already are with whites, and perhaps even more so. This will destabilize rather than stabilize Jewish control while improving the position of whites.
The longer this goes on, the more opportunity the dissident Right has to spread its message and grow. This is especially the case if the mainstream Right has the sense to call attention to anti-whiteism and the Great Replacement — which, thanks to people such as Tucker Carlson and others, it has already started doing. Right-shifting Jews will be less hostile to such pro-white efforts, as long as those of us on the so-called “far Right” refrain from showing gratuitous hostility toward Jews moving rightward. This will enable white identity to spread where it needs to spread.
The other option is to ramp up the anti-Semitism to make Jews feel as unwelcome on the Right as they are on the Left. Yes, this may eventually squeeze Jews of out power and facilitate their departure. But I believe this will also lead to a war with the blacks and browns and their clueless white allies once Jews lose control. We should not underestimate how difficult it will be to deal with these people on an equal footing in such a dystopian future. I’m afraid it would be a bloodbath.
Our top goal should be to attain a white ethnostate somewhere in North America without a war. The first step towards this, as I have said many times before, is Red-State Secession. I believe a Jewish turn to the Right, with all its concomitant benefits for whites and overreaction from non-whites, will help to prepare a critical mass of white people for the need to secede. This is why I think it’s a bad move to spurn Jews just when their interests are beginning to coincide with ours. Engaging in Jew-baiting and other acts of classic anti-Semitism — or simply engaging in them overmuch, or when it might not be necessary — is merely psychological. It presses Jewish buttons with the intention to annoy or inflame. It has no impact on the real world, and in no way takes us closer to our goal. But practicing restraint when we need to is a good move, because it very well may.
We’re not going to get an ethnostate through sheer luck. We have to be prepared to take advantage of any opportunity which comes our way. This Jewish shift toward the Right is one such opportunity, and we should seize it if we can.
Otherwise, what are we doing?
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No. And here’s why: the anti-Jew memes and insults are one of the reasons WHY this is working. Waking up as many whites as fast as possible is critical. If we fall back now we are idiots. Press on and press hard.
Hi Weave, with enough nonwhite-on-Jewish conflict in America, I can see enough influential Jews siding with MAGA Republicans in the next 5-10 years to start deporting illegals and reducing or banning immigration from Muslim countries. Such actions will encourage more whites to start speaking up in their own interests, which will invite backlash from the left and make red state secession a real tempting solution to our problems. I can’t see any of that happening from an uptick in anti Jewish insults and happy merchant memes.
So we lick Jew boots and hope for the best? I don’t think that’s much of a plan. Because either way your argument assumes Jews get the power. Country Club Republicans have essentially created one party because of their intense desire to get along with people who hate them and it has never, ever worked. Your plan won’t either.
No licking boots. Just continue to tell the truth, but also recognize when pro-Jewish behavior among Jews can serve our interests and do nothing to stop it.
We have more than one option when dealing with the JQ and we should always consider all of them, especially when big changes occur, like the backlash caused by the Gaza War. This is an opportunity for whites to weaken the anti white coalition in America and we shouldn’t pass up.
But wouldn’t posting silly memes antagonize our other enemies even more against the Jews? Assuming it gets to them.
I think a good idea is to do something similar to #bantheADL in the present context. (honestly, I’m surprised someone with social media influence hasn’t gotten around to it yet)
We should always be eloquent on the Jewish question as on all questions. I agree that it is good if Jewish power would have some common interest with European nationalism. But what in practice should supporters of white nationalism refrain from doing? Just keep telling the truth.
This first point is a bit off topic, but thought it might be interesting. I did some research for a project where I was looking at the use of “nudging” in PR as applies to encouraging miscegenation. In my research I came across multiple editorials made by black men who were extremely angry about the black/white interracial mixing portrayals. Those editorial’s authors revealed a deep anger and a deep fear and expressed that this was a plot of whites to eradicate the black race.
Now, this is interesting. It suggests that some number of black men and black women have a fear of whites perpetrating a genocide against them via miscegenation. This suggests to me that there is a golden opportunity for memetic action that ties black’s fear of genocide through miscegenation to the ad campaigns and to the people who are the captains of that industry. This could be another huge source of friction in their coalition. Nearly every PR firm, study, “diversity in advertising”, advocate I found in my research, was, well, Every! Single! Time!
I have a suggestion for disambiguating the notion you were trying to convey with the term ally. If we look at political systems as rival factions aligning to use power toward a shared purpose, perhaps a more clear description would be, Interfactional Issue Alignment. Permit/Embrace/Welcome Factional Alignment on an issue. In this case, Serendipitous/Coincidental Factional Alignment. ???
As for the point about engaging in slanderous, stereotype driven anti-semetic activity, I think it is always unwise. I think it has as big or bigger affect in keeping normies from joining us as it does ethical and concerned Jews from aligning with us. I think we should always seek to focus on bringing up the concrete instances of their behavior that is detrimental to our group interests. This shows white normies not some irrational, “hate”, but a concrete and clear instance of someone who is harming someone who is just like him. We can also be in concord with the ethical Jews who do not like the long term harm that bad behavior always brings them.
Keith Woods is a perfect example. Musk could engage him, because his conduct is moral and ethical.
A good example of a hot and topical memetic opportunity we have right now is Harvard’s long standing coddling, nurturing and perpetuation of anti-white genocide. We could flip the table very quickly if instead of stereotype memes we took the moral high ground they have handed us. Right now, the outrage is over genocidal talk – anti-Jewish genocidal talk. We have a trove of Saul Ignatiev, Donald Moss and other Harvard and Ivy League tenured and sanctioned people openly promoting the genocide of our race. They formalized it as an entire academic discipline for God’s sakes.
We can show the receipts of the big donors funding it for decades who now are concerned with genocide – only if Jews claim it is genocidal language against them. Again, this is an opportunity. There will be hot-headed black hustlers who will parrot this stuff and lash out just because one of theirs at the heights of prestige was taken out and Great Replaced in her own right. More important, a lot of whites beaten silly with a massive escalation in our dispossession since the Year of St. George of The Holy Overdose, will see this and scales will fall from eyes. How many parents and young men didn’t get into Ivy Leagues, are watching this, but may not know about Ignatiev, Moss and others? You were excluded from Harvard, and they are perfectly fine with calling for your extinction. Those are young men of quality with slighted parents waiting to have their fire lit.
Why not also expand from internet memes? Why don’t we package a short video and send it to every donor to Harvard and to every local, state and national legislator and to friendly media outlets? We close with a question; where are the Congressional hearings and vehement repudiations and reprimands for the decades long open promotion of white Gentile genocide? Why are you paying for this? Why have you never covered this in a headline feature? Send it to Joe Rogan for God’s sakes. He may end up confronting one of the Weinsteins some day. He is not a bright bulb, but he does have ethics. He will expose moral outrages.
This ties in perfectly to the immorality of the moral double standards. It is also a perfect reason to not engage in the slander. Jarod Taylor is wise to be extremely disciplined in his decorum. If nothing else, you do not forfeit the moral high ground when your enemy finally has forfeited it to you on the exact grounds where he claims it for himself. You hate expression of genocide? Well, then why do you fund and sanction its expression by your own people when it is against us? Give your enemy no ammunition. This overt stuff isn’t clever, and it is like throwing a grenade at your enemy who is two feet away from you in a bunker.
I will close by adding that I ended up in this sphere after parting ways with a guy who was anti-semitic in the gruff way. He exposed me to the JQ, and he was right about it. But, I didn’t hear the message at first. I couldn’t associate with someone who was going to walk around with a swastika and cede the moral high ground.
I bopped around in total isolation until I ran across an interview Greg Johnson did with Daryl Cooper of Martyr Made podcast where they openly discussed the JQ. Greg’s discussion was calm, rational and focused on the moral and perfectly legitimate aspects of the issue. This explanation of the JQ as the moral necessity to mitigate and prevent unnecessary ethnic rivalry within a society and to prevent its subversion clearly resonated with Cooper. It definitely resonated with me.
I became a donor and avid reader as a result. Do not underestimate the power of moral authority and legitimacy. Losing status and being socially ostracized are one of our enemy’s main weapons. We should do all we can to dull and weaken it. It is just stupid to be the caricature that your outnumbered enemy wants, no needs, you to be when optics may be the most important weapon of this war.
Thanks for tackling this topic, and thank you for putting up with my long winded post.
Well said. So you recommend using the term ‘factional allies’?
Thank you for addressing this. How we face battle is critical. Factional alignment. It is unclear how long it will last.
For me, ally implies a formal agreement and an organized formal process for coordinating action made between two or more parties toward some shared end. My impression is that you see their coalition, a set of sort-of-allies, engaged in heated infighting. I agree. I think what you are saying are two things. 1. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making mistakes. 2. We must comport ourselves in a manner that is to our best advantage and that serves our ultimate goal. That means eliminating behavior that hurts our cause with short attention span status seekers, but keeping the forbidden truths on the table.
That doesn’t imply allyship to me anymore than HR allyship is anything more than coerced acceptance of white dispossession and subjugation. Right now, AmeroEuropeans and Jews are aligned on the need to deal with this. For Jews, this is a mess of their own making. It has a century of pressure built up behind it.
When our people create allies we should always do it from a position of strength or so it will not weaken us and it gives us a high probability of making gains. If we have something to offer we can approach them formally and offer allyship. I don’t think we are organized enough to do that yet, nor are we organized enough for them to come to us to negotiate something. So, I think you are spot on. Now is the time to design our uniform consciously so that we don’t forfeit the moral high ground that our cause clearly has. It is also a time to figure out how we can be organized and strong enough to form alliances.
For now, I think Gregory Hood said it best. Hanania and Rufo offer liberalism an offramp from a catastrophic race war that turns hot. The question there is, to do that requires taking away the crutches of the people used to dispossess us and halting our dispossession at least in the professional class. Are they willing to stand in the breach and do it and do it in a way that whites can live with? Also, what does halting mass immigration and doing deportations do to the oligarch’s coalition and ambitions? Can building this offramp withstand the black swans of financial decay and the decay along the imperial frontier that strengthens the negative feedback loop of the financial decay? In other words, can Jews and CivNats build the offramp and do it in an environment of accelerating entropy?
Clearly Jews are going to do some house cleaning. Ackmann is making clear that they can ice out the blacks and is making overtures to AmeroEuropeans and Asians, and threatening to kill DIE. Can they commit to that just three years after bragging about organizing and using them as their revolutionary vanguard in TIME magazine?
The best we can do is stay out of their way. Let them clean house and draw the ire of the blacks and muslims. They may also draw the ire of their own people in the propaganda organs and NGOs. While they do that, we capitalize on the opportunity to expose and weaken their moral legitimacy. Those opportunities are abundant.
We also need to see how this plays out. The alignment could shift depending on how their house cleaning plays out. It is early and still unclear what they will do long term and how the news cycle affects the moves that can be made. They have a lot of tigers by the tail. Let’s throw meat at them and see what sticks.
In the meantime, we polish our presentation. We increase our organization and strength. We also do things that are of real service to our folk and will build lasting bonds. The realm of education is ripe with opportunity as is lawfare against white dispossession. We do it all for our end game – which isn’t slandering or owning people online, but securing our sovereign homeland and our future.
I keep thinking of The Odyssey. Ulysses tricked the cyclops to save his men. He could have gotten home quickly with his entire fleet. His hubris got the better of him, and instead of leaving quietly as Nobody, he shouted his name to the cyclops. Let’s not anger Poseidon and weaken our position. As bad of shape as Ulysses homeland was in, he had one to go home to that had far more to work with than we do at the moment.
Well said. Especially this: “That means eliminating behavior that hurts our cause with short attention span status seekers, but keeping the forbidden truths on the table.”
Yes. To spell it out for people it is like this. If you are saying or doing stereotypical anti-semitic things you are blowing it for us. Right now, blacks and muslims are getting a head knocking from their true masters. Already Sharpton is saying Gay’s firing is white supremacy. You give the Jews ammo and they can go right back to ganging up on whitey with at least blacks. You lay low and meme to your heart’s content the explicit anti-white hatred and its institutionalization by Harvard and others, and now we have a moral claim on being victims of genocidal rhetoric and practices.
How about a meme of Harvard professor Ignatiev’s call for white genocide and an empty campus or say Ignatiev’s salary history juxtaposed with some protest against Israel and the doxing vans all over campus.
That will inflict damage. Some meme of a greedy banker will incur damage.
The possibilities are endless. Time to prove we have high IQs.
Spenser proposes the bargain as: Jews shift rightward in their struggles against their former rainbow coalition, and in return, we lay off the insults. We reduce our output of gratuitous anti-Jew memes and practice restraint when it comes to classic anti-Semitism.
Why is this a good bargain for White Nationalism? The jews beating back their ‘rainbow coalition’ need not be a benefit for Whites. It could just mean that now the interests of non-Whites and Whites are both subsidiary to jews in a more obvious way than they have been in the past.
As for gratuitous anti-jew insults, the very idea of ‘jew’ is anti-White.
When a jew says ‘As a jew’ they’re being anti-White.
That Whites accept the phrase ‘As a jew’ to be uttered around them without bile rising in their throats is why Whites fail to compete effectively in the ethnonarcissist sweepstakes.
Jew are not like us.
They look and respond to the world around them as jews, and not as anything else.
‘Right’ is just a superficial matter for jews. As is ‘left’. The foundation of all jewish politics is ‘How is this good for the jews?’
All you’re seeing right now is a dispute between two groups of jews around what will be best for jews.
Nothing more.
Trying to frame it as ‘left’ vs ‘right’ works to maintain the illusion that jews are just like us.
But they’re not.
If somewhere there’s an ethnomasochistic jew with millions of dollars just looking to give money to pro-White advocacy while being abused by White anti-Semites, show them to me.
In the meantime, Whites are supposed to support ‘right wing’ jews who come here from a culture that is intrinsically anti-White because it is ‘jewish’.
The Jewish Question is not a trivial one.
Understanding the jew starts with accepting that all similarities between Whites and jews are coincidental, not essential.
A jew who knows they are a jew and is treated as a jew by other jews can not be considered anything other than an anti-White racial alien.
As long as a jew thinks of themselves as a jew, they’re not part of the White world.
Hell, they’re not a part any racial world other than the jewish racial world.
They may as well be from Tau Ceti for all their surface similarity to human beings.
Hi HT,
“It could just mean that now the interests of non-Whites and Whites are both subsidiary to jews in a more obvious way than they have been in the past.”
Maybe you’re right. But you have to admit that this is a glass half empty way of looking at the problem. A glass half full approach is seeing this as a unique opportunity to enhance white identity so to make red state secession a real possibility.
The goal should be to establish an ethnostate without a war. Please correct me on this, but your perspective implies that war is inevitable, either with Jews as the main enemy, or with nonwhites after Jews lose control. Would you agree?
No right or wrong answer here, because you might very well be correct. But I think I am correct to suggest at least considering a modicum of restraint when things change in our favor. Just weighing all options here.
This is my understanding of your argument:
(A) Some prominent jews are expressing concerns about the effect that mass immigration has on the power of jews to control the narrative of important institutions (such as Congress).
(B) Some promient jews are expressing ‘concern’ about the affect of ‘identity politics’ on the power of jews to control the narrative of important institutions (such as Harvard).
(C) This may lead some not-so-promiment jews to wander into White Nationalist territory.
(D) Therefore, White Nationalists should restrain their historical animus towards jews in order to encourage jews to support White Nationalist policies like immigration restriction.
If this is close to a schematic representation of your position, let me highlight two things:
Assuming (A) fairly reflects your views, opposition to mass immigration has existed among jews for some time. Stephen Miller is a jew and was the primary force behind whatever immigration restriction actually occurred during the Trump administration. That doesn’t make Stephen Miller pro-White or even represents him giving a crap about what happens to Whites. It simply means that Stephen Miller could see the anti-Semitic writing on the wall due to importing a population that doesn’t give a crap about the ‘choseness’ of the jews.
Other jews are of the school that ‘the browns are already here, let’s use them to get some things we (meaning Whites and jews) want’. That’s how I read Ron Unz’s and David Cole’s position.
Foxman and Harris are more prominent than Unz or Cole which is brings them to ‘our’ attention.
But in the same way I can see how both Unz and Cole position their arguments toward their largely White audience in a way that makes White Nationalism seem counterproductive, I can feel pretty confidant that any jew that wanders into White Nationalist territory will exhibit the same performative habits.
Ultimately, there’s nothing new under the sun with Foxman and Harris other than their position with in the jewish community. And that can change.
I love our cause, but White Nationalism is the Plutonium Tar Baby of politics right now. Toxic and once you touch it you can never scrap it off.
Jews will take up ‘implicitly pro-White’ causes because it’s useful for them.
Whites need White Nationalism because globally we are a beseiged minority and we don’t have a ethnostate like the jews.
Given the universal jewish trait of opposing host nation self-rule, I can safely predict that whatever the jews implement to tamp down ‘anti-Semitism’ associated by DIE and mass brown immigration, it will have carve-outs to make sure that White self-rule still remains the job of White Nationalists to obtain.
Historically, jews have a couple of tactics to maintain control of their host countries. One is to make sure that there is ‘jewish representation’ on all sides of any controversy. The number of jews found to be in the ranks of ‘Neonazi’ groups is a good example of this tactic. Another tactic is to move to a different location when they have worn out there welcome in their current location. In this case, the ‘move’ is from one ideological position to another rather than a physical move. But the purpose is the same: To find another group of suckers.
The jew does not give anything to the non-jew without expecting conformity to jewish interests as a condition.
My view is that jews would like White support for their purge of ‘anti-Semites’ and uppity non-Whites.
My response to this expectation is ‘You created this monster, you put it to bed without our help.’
And if they can’t, Whites are no worse off than they were before.
But at least White Nationalism was not seen embracing an ethnicity deeply implicated in the dispossession of Whites.
Hi HT
Not quite. Jews are expressing concern over threats to their physical safety and how their cultural symbols are getting trashed (which is a precursor to more threats to physical safety). This is why right-shifting Jews will want to push back on multi-racialism if this non-white vs Jew strife continues. When they see blacks and browns protesting for Hamas, they think they are 1 step away from a pogrom. It’s all about survival in their mind. I don’t think narrative control enters their minds, although it may *seem* that way for those of us being spoon fed this narrative all the time. They’re wandering towards a more pro-white position, although I wouldn’t call it “White Nationalist territory.”
And yes, you are correct, they are only serving themselves, and ultimately do not care about white interests. All the stuff you say above is correct. Foxman, Harris, and zealots like them hate whites and in no way should we have truck with them. But so what? This does not refute my position. Also you say this: “My response to this expectation is ‘You created this monster, you put it to bed without our help.’” This is perfectly appropriate. Remember, do nothing when enemies squabble, and this in my opinion is fair play, and thus counts as ‘doing nothing.’ What wouldn’t count as nothing would be saying essentially the same thing, but calling them kikes and openly cheering when blacks and browns attack them. This will make it less likely that we can use the Jewish right-shift to our advantage.
But having read your piece, I still don’t see why White Nationalists can’t take advantage of all this. Here are our options over the next 20-30 years as I see it:
Option A:
1. Do nothing to impede right-shift
2. Right-shift continues (re: immigration, affirmative action)
3. Non-whites overreact against Jews, accelerating right-shift
4. Whites now more free to express pro-white interests
5. Non-whites make life intolerable Jews and whites
6. Majority of whites look to secede; Jews flee
Option B:
1. Pile on with the non-whites against the Jews
2. Prevent right-shift
3. Non-white immigration accelerates
4. Whites and non-whites make life intolerable for Jews
5. Majority of Jews flee
6. Whites go to war against the 60% of the country that isn’t white
Which strategy should we follow? Is there a third option?
Now I think we’re getting somewhere. I think Option A is the more acceptable scenario, but I think that A4 and A6 are far more speculative given the available evidence.
Our job – the pro-White job – is simply not to support them in any way no matter what they do.
As for ‘I don’t think narrative control enters their minds’, I’m going to respond that, respectfully, you don’t know jews very well if you think their going to give up on any of their ‘magical’ practices such as narrative control.
I fully expect the jews to engage in even more narrative control against Whites versus non-Whites as time goes along. It’s us that they really hate and it’s White Nationalism that they really fear.
What wouldn’t count as nothing would be saying essentially the same thing, but calling them kikes and openly cheering when blacks and browns attack them. This will make it less likely that we can use the Jewish right-shift to our advantage.
As indicated in my response to A4 and A6, I don’t think you’ve made a substantive case that pro-Whites can, in fact, use the jewish ‘right-shift’ to our advantage.
I think that White Nationalism needs to continue to pursue consciousness-raising on the theme of ‘White Nationalism is Whites caring about Whites because they are White’. This is where we can get the most bang for our buck from the most different kinds of Whites. Even if we don’t convert people to White Nationalism, we are lowering some of the barriers to pro-White sentiment.
Hamburger,
“I think that A4 and A6 are far more speculative given the available evidence.” Fair enough. But doubling down on classic anti-Semitism in the hope that we can somehow peacefully work out our issues with nonwhites once Jews lose power is equally speculative, no?
“Our job – the pro-White job – is simply not to support them in any way no matter what they do.” Yes. Do nothing. Like I said.
“I don’t think you’ve made a substantive case that pro-Whites can, in fact, use the jewish ‘right-shift’ to our advantage.” Ouch. Okay, I will try to do better next time. Thank you for reading and commenting.
I don’t think there is a Jewish rightward shift at all. Anyway, the real battle is between pro-White and anti-White, not between right and left. Right now, the Jewish-led attack on White nations is intensifying. The invasion is accelerating. The war on free speech continues. And the anti-White justice system is no longer trying to keep up appearances.
Since 9/11, some Jewish activists have become popular with Whites for denouncing Muslim terrorism and Muslims in general. As Jews, they are allowed to criticize immigration in the media in a way that Whites are not. That’s how they often end up leading the anti-immigration movement in White countries.
Criticizing Islam can be a veiled way of criticizing immigration, but it also sends the message that race replacement is okay. As if Muslim radicalism is the real problem. The solution to Muslim radicalism is more race mixing and better integration into White society. That’s the solution favored by phony conservatives who toe the line set by “right-wing” Jews.
The Jewish anti-Muslim and anti-Arab propaganda spread by “right-wing” Jews seems designed to give the pro-White movement a bad image. Those people are intellectually dishonest. They cultivate a fake intellectual style, especially when pontificating about Islam. At the same time, they encourage vulgar mockery of Muslims for the sake of vulgarity, not for the sake of saving the White race. Their main concern is to stop any discussion of the JQ, and you never know when they will turn on you and call you a racist. Without their fake opposition, we would have a better chance of having a voice in the media.
White Nationalists can talk seriously about racial separation and repatriation while being respectful to non-Whites. “Right-wing” Jews do the opposite: they are disrespectful, and they don’t support racial separation or repatriation. They think it’s enough to say that there’s too much immigration now.
In the United States, the problem for Whites is mainly Jews, Blacks, and Mexicans. So there is no reason to listen to Jewish activists who engage in anti-Muslim propaganda. Somali immigrants are certainly a problem, but it has nothing to do with their religion. Anyway, there’s no rightward shift, there’s still a solid Jewish bloc working for the genocide of the White race. They control the government, the media, the universities… It’s absurd to pay attention to “right-wing” Jews who complain that Muslim immigrants are “anti-Semitic”.
Good point about unnecessary anti-Islamic propaganda. Christian immigrants from the Middle East are no less anti-white than Muslim ones. The problem is not that they are Muslim but that they are non-European. In a way, the Christian immigrants are worse because they assimilate more easily into the Hollywood-created “how I met your mother” culture that has emerged. Muslim immigrants hold on to their traditions a bit more, which honors them. Their adherence to their religion also leads to fewer marriages between Muslims and Europeans. In addition, Muslims are more likely to perceive that the white world has entered a stage of unworthiness. This too is to the advantage of Muslims. A white Muslim Europe is probably preferable to a Christian multicultural Europe. Discussions about religion seem secondary. A future where the West is populated by Christian Arabs is no less of a dystopia than a Muslim Arab West. I would rather take in a Muslim Bosnian than a Christian Mexican.
I would rather take in a Muslim Bosnian than a Christian Mexican.
I would rather not take in anyone.
Also, keep in mind that many ‘Mexicans’ – especially upper-class Mexicans – are either of Spanish or German descent.
What matters is whether an immigrant is White and pro-White.
Okay, that’s all right. I was thinking about the average brown Mexican and the average European Bosniak.
Here’s the thing, the jews are our ultimate enemy. Non-whites are only a secondary enemy and we can possibly live in harmony with them if they stay in their own countries. That’s not the case with jews. If we are doing an “enemy of our enemy is our friend” analysis, then we would be better off aligning with non-whites against jews. Being sycophants to jews just because they have power will never help in the run. They are determined to be in control. It probably won’t help in the short run either. They see us as the ultimate enemy but would be happy to use us if we are willing. It’s a bad bargain for us, Spencer.
Claus, I would feel a lot more comfortable agreeing with you if all we had to deal with were blacks, whom in a post lib-dem world we could either benevolently oppress or forcefully separate from (preferably the latter). But with all races of people living among us and with whites being a minority of people under 12 and with mixed race numbers skyrocketing, I am not as confident as you are that these secondary enemies, as you call them, will be easy to deal with. I say we need to form an ethnostate in the next 25 years or America will turn into an assimilated mess like India with pretty much all the whites blending with the other races.
Or we can have a war which we very well could lose.
I can draw a thin but straight line from the Jewish right shift (if it continues) to red state secession to an ethnostate without a war. Can anyone else do the same any other way?
I wanted to step into this dialog. The ‘line from right-wing jews to red state secession’ is putting the cart, way, way, way before the horse.
‘Red states’ are not really the hotbeds of pro-White sentiment. One after another is going ‘purple’ and, while doing so, Whites are still jabbering on about ‘equality’ and ‘marginalization’ or some such similar nonsense.
The first step in a successful social transformation is consciousness-raising. In the case of White Nationalism, that means (as Sam Francis put it) Whites becoming a subject to themselves rather than merely existing objectively.
Red states have some of the most race-cucked Whites in North America. Remember that Tibbets guy who worried about how ‘racism’ might be encouraged by the fact that his daughter was kidnapped, raped and murdered and thrown in a field? That’s pretty typical for ‘red states’.
There are 11 states where Whites are a minority and Whites in 6 more states will be joining them soon. I expect ‘racial anxiety’ to be far more prevalent in these White minority states than in very White red states.
That being said, it’s in red states that certain moves are being made that would allow for resistance to the federal authorities. That’s good for any ‘separatist’ activity or sentiment in those states.
There is no line from ‘right-wing jews’ to ‘red state secession’ that doesn’t include White consciousness-raising of the sort that all jews oppose.
A problem for us, is that we have lost most of our cultural ethnocentrism, Slavs somewhat excepted, and are not naturally suited to the sort of double-dealing which has allowed Jewry to dominate the world, after we pacified it for them. Aligning with non-whites could only be a temporary strategy if we wish to reclaim our territory of fifty or sixty years ago and reneging on such an alliance would hurt the moral claim which is so vital to successful recruitment of our people.
Somehat tangentially, this ten year-old interview with my pick for greatest living Australian, Dr Frank Salter, author of On Genetic Interests is worth sharing with the scientifically-minded.
https://redice-tv.translate.goog/red-ice-radio/war-on-human-nature-replacement-level-migration-in-the-west-and-crime-of-diversity?_x_tr_sl=sq&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp
I see your point. My concern is that Jews are patient and cunning. If we do nothing, the Jews, always playing the long game, may wait for the Gaza conflict to end and then slowly re-establish control by spinning the conflict as the 2nd holocaust. We could end up regretting not taking this opportunity.
However, I agree we have to be smart about what we do. I have found I have more success reaching people about race realism by discussing how Whites suffer (are the victims) by pointing out lack of university places, the anti-White hatred in the media, the victims of crime etc.
Yes. My suggestion is for whites to play the long game as well.
On the times that I have to bring it up, I make sure to focus on the behavior. They can’t change who they are any more than I can turn Japanese. However, they certainly can change their behavior. If my people can stop sacking villages and plundering monasteries, then their people can stop being sneaky and subversive.
I do not see how our long and escalating uncontrolled barbarism in Palestine can possibly help us in any way, shape or form,, for any chess master. We now have the loss of respect and trust of 150 nations according to most recent UN votes, and adversely further empowering the new BRICS power alliance. Even a large and growing Jewish American middle class community is protesting our support of Netanyahu’s business as usual govt. to the point of our world embarrassment (and danger).
The new information recently provided by DC Bureau Chief for the Editor, Ryan Grim, on the amount of bribery or lobby money being provided by AIPAC for “Our Representatives” and leaders support of Netanyahu’s cabinet plan and government, in the new sum of one hundred million Dollars and growing is nothing less than disgusting. This money like the million’s provided to the previous president (Trump and his present extreme right government, as well as Biden’s and its congress members is very alarming and a sham of our nations proposed values of democracy,,, and basic humanity.
In (finally) forcing a 2 state solution we win over many adversarial opinions of ourselves in many adversarial nations, disrupting the power of our die hard enemies in their own home (if it’s not too late), along with a large populous of Jewish left here and in Israel, (if you followed the 100,000 plus protests in Israel for over the past year now)
Wouldn’t be better if jews be met with ferocious animosity from the right and left ? Why give them a break in exchange for a bag of silver coins ? Cheers
I will never “practice restraint when it comes to classic anti-Semitism”. This suggestion is a clear slippery slope that ends with almost complete censorship of our side when criticising the Jews.
Spencer, I think you are correct but maybe your way of explaining this strategy/concept could be improved.
To me the crux of it is, if the ‘right wing’ jews come to think that the best way for them to get away from the BIPOC madness is to be around conservatives, then when SHTF at election time, it will increase the probability of red state secession (a precursor to a White homeland).
I don’t know if my above bit helps or hinders though.
This whole discussion sort of reminds me of this clip of Jared Taylor:
https://t.me/afvault/319
I read both parts of this article and ended up with nothing but a headache.
The Jews are vulnerable as never before, not since the 1930’s when Rev. Charles Coghlin openly was naming them. “Rising anti-semitism” is finally rising after all these years. They’re down. They’re vulnerable. Their constant threadbare whining about “anti-semitism” is wearing thin on peoples’ patience. It is time for Whites to double down by piling on to them any way we can.
Precisely
I see DEI as a clear attack against Whites worldwide. The words “Equality” and “Inclusion” are all “Sweetness and Light” which no one is going to speak against. It’s the perfect corner to push us into. And we have to fight ourselves out of this dark corner. Maybe we can start by asking why half the world is busting down our doors to live in the paradise we have constructed with our sort of brain power which is clearly lacking in every other place. And the word ‘us’ contains our European birth places, which are being invaded as well. DEI be damned!
Sit back and do nothing as we are seeing the greatest shift in the paradigm in the past 100 years?
No thank you, Spence. You need to ask yourself, are you in this for the long victory or just a short term GOP victory? What makes Counter Currents so great is that it isn’t simply a GOP cheerleading squad; it’s focused on the bigger trends and shifts in the “New/Alternative Right” and even beyond petty “Left” and “Right” distinctions. The crumbling of Zionist hegemony is infinitely valuable and we as dissidents should be its biggest supporter.
No, right wing jews will not swoop in and save the day. Right wing jews are the ones who ran the show for the past 30 years – good riddance!
Mr. Quinn, you mentioned Abraham Foxman and David Harris in your first article as examples of Jews that may be wandering rightward. They are both now on the record criticizing DEI and calling for an end to it. Bill Ackman is another, arguably more powerful Jew, doing the same. And, as you know, he was at the forefront of the ouster of Claudine Gay over allegations of plagiarism. He is currently embroiled in a huge fight with Business Insider over an article they published about allegations that his Israeli wife and former MIT professor, Neri Oxman, engaged in plagiarism as well.
As we all know, the aforementioned Jews couldn’t have cared less about plagiarism until it could be used as a weapon against a Harvard President they deemed too soft on anti-Semitism. How do you feel about BI publishing that article with its implication of hypocrisy and duplicity? Should they have held back? What about me? I’ve been all over Ackman’s tweets pointing out he didn’t have an issue with DEI until it was wielded against Jewish interests.
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