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Stan Lee
Stan Lee and I never collaborated on anything! I’ve never seen Stan Lee write anything. I used to write the stories just like I always did.
—Jack Kirby
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If the legends about Stan Lee are to be believed, he must surely be ranked as one of the most significant pop culture figures of the last 100 years.
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“ And I could never see Stan Lee as being creative. The only thing he ever knew was he’d say this word “Excelsior!”
Radio personality Jean Shepherd started saying, “Excelsior You Fathead” as one of his trademark exclamations. He had a radio show on WOR New York covering the metropolitan area starting in the middle to late 50s.
Stan Lee may have stolen that, too.
About Kirby, I believe his side of it about Spider Man. If Lee was claiming credit for everything Kirby did, he probably kept up the same thing after Kirby left. Before reading this, I thought of Stan Lee as the guy with a tireless arm; now, I’m wondering if he could even draw.
I don’t think he ever claimed to draw. He was supposed to be a writer. In comics, you have the artist, the inker, and the writer
OK, I stand corrected; I’m not too familiar with how the process typically works. Still, he could’ve positioned himself as “Mr. Marvel”, the executive driving force behind the company, while not claiming credit for things he didn’t do.
Why should this surprise anyone? Wasn’t Einstein a plagiarist? I recently saw a video featuring Sally Struthers talking about what a fraud Norman Lear was.https://youtu.be/ktisTWiRLbI?si=wxfkZLmGVtNtAZ3s
As I understand, he did legitimately tie together some current findings, producing a new understanding of how things work. That’s how it rolls for physicists in general; Newton himself said that he merely stood on the shoulders of giants. However, Einstein’s rock star status was a bit overpromoted.
I think that was Nietzsche who said, “I stood upon the shoulders of giants,” and that is not the full quote. 🤓
I had a chance to meet Stan Lee at a comic con in New Orleans back in 2012. For $100 you could sit and talk with him, get him to sign anything and get a pic with him. I didn’t frankly because I didn’t have a lot of money at the time, but I had been kicking myself at missing the opportunity ever since. Now that I read this, I guess not so much. I did meet Larry Elmore for free, however, and I guess that was actually the better deal!
Soon after, Stan lee upped his price at cons to $500. You could not ask him anything, and he would sign one item and allow a photograph. I bet that had a lot to do with people having read that interview and throwing it in his face in front of people, and he was embarrassed. Therefore, he didn’t allow any questions!
Trav, on the other hand, seems like a cool guy.
Five hundred clams for one damn picture? Had he no shame? Well, maybe not. Seems he missed his chance to get an Onlyfans account.
I’d be mortified to even consider charging $100 for an autograph, let alone five times that, and sitting there like a catatonic dumbbell refusing to even answer questions from youth you’ve long targeted for subversion. Hockey players will give their blades, sticks, pucks, and tons of signed stuff for their fans from pure generosity.
I wonder if Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko were jews; Joe Simon had to be? 😲
Kirby, yes. Ditto, no.
Even though Lee and Kirby were both Jews there was some class antagonism between the two as Kirby was working class and Lee was middle class.
Rare video of Stan Lee explaining “what he does here” at Marvel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4OvQIGDg4I
‘Nuff said.
One jew exploiting another jew is not interesting. What is interesting is the way jews have been using comic books as a “gateway drug” to subvert white children; the jews have always presented a united front in that endeavor. Comics are just another dimension of jewish subversion like: jazz, the blues, rock & roll, rap, hip hop, movies and television. Jack Kirby is not a sympathetic victim! 🥸
I wouldn’t say that so much. Actually I think comic books held up high western ideals for the most part. The industry’s being Jewish dominated didn’t result in any subversion of that nature. There are few obnoxious black characters until relatively late.
on the other hand what I take from it is, this is an industry that really is Jewish dominated, and was in a way created by Jews. Almost every single character is created by Jews. That’s where the royalties lay. That’s the issue here between Stan Lee and Kirby right? Now do you mean to tell me that Europeans couldn’t have come up with some guy in a colored spandex and give him some goofy name like cat boy or something? It’s clearly highly nepotistic, they understand to keep it in the family when they control an industry, yet we have to give equal representation in the things that we create. interesting! In a few cases where white Europeans have created the odd obscure character, I’ve noticed they often contain a dig against whites. Nightcrawler from X-men comes to mind. Who gets what I mean here?
Zorro, The Shadow, the Lone Ranger and the Scarlet Pimpernel were all gentile creations. They were all heroes who had alter egos where they fought crime while wearing costumes (except the Shadow who turned invisible).
The first superhero was arguably Judex from the French silent film serial of the same name. He fought crime in costume, had fancy gadgets, and a had a secret base similar to the Batcave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judex
I don’t mean the first superhero, only the medium of the standalone graphic novel as we have inherited it. Not even the concept of pictures with Word bubbles really derives from them, that comes from funnies and comic strips in newspapers such as buck Rogers, etc., etc. Prince valiant.
basically what happened was Jews started repackaging funny papers from newspapers into standalone books which they would sell. I’m sure this had copyright issues. Possibly for that reason, some of them— actually the guys who did Superman—started writing original stories for the comic books. This was the birth of the comic book as we know it.
my point is that yes Gentiles created all these types of characters in other contexts perfectly well, plus we created the whole golden age of science from which Marvel comics derives heavily, so it’s strange that no Marvel characters or DC characters are created by non-Jews isn’t it? My theory is that gentiles were purposely excluded.
For example, X-men derives from slan by van Vogt, right? I let one of my friends read it who was also a comic book person and he said “X-Men comes from this” right away.
Re: “Actually I think comic books held up high western ideals for the most part. The industry’s being Jewish dominated didn’t result in any subversion of that nature.”
Okay, I’m going to preface this with the fact that I only read lefty political “comix” as a youth, & no superhero comics. That said, I always looked forward to watching Superfriends on TV every Saturday morning in the late 70s, and I religiously watched the campy 1960’s Adam West Batman episodes when they were rerun in the 70s.
Where’s the Jewish subversion in the characters? Look at the early biography/origin story of some of the heroes. Mr. gadget-guy, Batman, for example, swore that he would never, ever!, use a handgun, because his parents were murdered with a firearm. Superman was an immigrant, born on a foreign planet. Female superheros (i.e. Wonder Woman) pushed feminism/liberalism.
I meant to say there was NO racial subversion. People are not understanding me properly. I think my ideas may be too complex for this forum.
Most all the heroes being Jewish = racial subversion.
Jews are a distinct non-White racial group. I can offer you many examples, both genetic and legal.
Here’s a racial discrimination legal decision from 2018– Lawsuit: College refused to hire coach with ‘Jewish blood’
“…people of Jewish heritage are protected as a “distinct race” under the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and federal law prohibits employers from failing to hire somebody on the basis of race, the lawsuit says.”
https://apnews.com/general-news-52bc4d3e37184f57a604d0e38201e635
Exactly. As Schopenhauer famously said, Jews are the great masters in lying, so I’d be hard pressed to believe any of it. Incidentally, “Kirby’s” wife’s maiden name was Goldstein, so they really were laying it on thick and heavy.
goldstein, leiber, goodman, and kurtzberg. Gee, that sounds like a fun law firm/kvetch party.
Jack Kirby is a prime example of a creative person with low business sense. He needed an agent to go against the Stan Lees of the business world. Often it is best to ditch the corporate leash and go independent, but never, ever work without a signed contract.
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