Simon Webb & Patriotic AlternativeSpencer J. Quinn
One of the more regrettable things about dissident circles is the infighting — especially when a particularly bold non-dissident wades into dissident waters without realizing it. Typically, such a person will bring their more mainstream values along with them and inadvertently cause a minor burst of havoc as worlds collide. A recent example occurred when Joe “America’s Sherriff” Arpaio spoke at Nick Fuentes’ recent America First Political Action Conference (AFPAC). Cyan Quinn, who was there, describes the following precious exchange:
And then came this golden moment from Arpaio: “They call me the biggest racist,” he said. When the crowd erupted in applause, he asked, “Why are you clapping at that?”
He then continued. “They say I’m the biggest racist, but I have a Mexican grandchild.” The audience was respectful, but grew quiet and exchanged cringes.
This, fortunately, amounted to little more than an amusing hiccup.
What’s happened with Simon Webb, however, is a bit more substantive and therefore the fallout could be more damaging for the Dissident Right. Simon Webb is a prolific English author who is not constrained by ideology or taboo. He is a clear thinker and a clear writer whose excellent The Forgotten Slave Trade I recently reviewed for Counter-Currents. He also has an interesting YouTube channel called History Debunked, where he produces short videos which cover many topics but focus — at least lately — on demographic change, British politics, and the oppression and dishonesty behind woke culture. He clearly is not a fan of any of these, nor is he afraid to find fault with persons, white or non-white, when he thinks they deserve it. In all his videos he speaks clearly and calmly and produces impeccable arguments for whatever point he wants to make. Most often, these points undermine the dominance of our Leftist, globalist elites.
Some of his recent videos include:
“How anti-racism causes mischief and even deaths when it is allowed to interfere with science”
“The white race is the cancer of human history’ Susan Sontag”
“Why forced diversity inevitably results in declining quality”
“Should we be free to burn Bibles and copies of the Qur’an if we wish to do so?”
“Does YouTube have an ethnic bias when it comes to banning users?”
“The problem regarding trans women”
“Is IQ lower on average in Africa than in Europe or Asia?”
Recently he responded to the charge that he was obsessed with skin color thusly:
As viewers might know, a belated sequel is being made to the 1980s film Top Gun. The RAF wanted to send one of their pilots to a press event which was connected with the release of the film. A brilliant chance for the RAF to ride on the coattails of the Hollywood movie and get a little publicity for themselves. The leadership of the RAF sends an email to all units trying to find a pilot who would attend. Here is what the email said:
“Gents, do any of you have a pilot who is preferably not white male who would like to be the RAF face at the press event at the release of Top Gun 2?” Perhaps those who accuse me of being obsessed with race and skin color would like to hear that again. “Pilot who is preferably not white male.” Britain’s own air force is actually ashamed of the fact that white men are serving in the air force, and hope to conceal this fact by sending a black person, hopefully a woman, to represent them at an international press conference.
And I’m the one who’s preoccupied with skin color and ethnicity?
One of things I find so brilliant about Webb’s video persona (as opposed to his writing, which is equally brilliant) is that he takes the patient approach when he speaks, but he never condescends. He’s a reactionary in the sense that he’s always reacting to the latest woke affront from a commonsensical viewpoint, which may seem traditionalist to some, yet he’s never cranky or curmudgeonly. His work is also highly subversive in today’s cultural climate, yet is completely without rancor.
Instead, he’s just one of a kind who thankfully wishes to share his insights with the rest of us.
Dissidents on the Right, it seems, would love Simon Webb. Unfortunately, however, that doesn’t always seem to be the case. Webb comes across as a highly perceptive and erudite normie, not so much a committed dissident. At least the persona he projects on YouTube does not seem to profess fealty to any larger political movement per se (although in one video he does endorse Colin Birch of the English Constitution Party). Despite writing a book on Islam’s white slaves, he doesn’t seem to profess a racial identity, or any identity at all apart from him own, as far as I can tell. Nor does he seem to wish to effect any immediate change. He rather seems content delving into the morass of modern politics and culture and providing clarity where he can, especially from a historical perspective.
Since his videos are so short, he’s made hundreds of them, so please take the above with a grain of salt. I have not seen all of them, but only enough to get what I believe to be a good feel for the man.
He recently posted a video entitled “Why the Patriotic Alternative is destined to fade into oblivion.” As one would expect, this video ruffled quite a few feathers on the Right in England and caught the attention of Laura Towler herself. (Mark Collett of Patriotic Alternative has responded here.) Webb’s argument was not that Patriotic Alternative is misguided in any way, but that what it proposes — that is, immediate immigration reform — would be too drastic for most English people to accept. Webb offers historical insights into the dismal history of what he considers to be Patriotic Alternative’s predecessors (including Oswald Mosley’s less-than-successful efforts, and later the National Front) and asserts that the English would prefer to muddle on with as little change as possible.
In his words:
The truth is, people in Britain do not like maverick political parties of any hue whether Left or Right. They will not vote for communists, or those who are vociferous in the opposition to immigration. What they prefer is a simple choice between two political parties, neither of whom offer radical differences in their policies from each other.
Thus, Patriotic Alternative is doomed to failure.
Of course, he might be correct in this. I hope not, but lacking a crystal ball I cannot say for sure. I do, however, have a feeling that Simon Webb should read John Derbyshire’s We Are Doomed and then have the Derb on his channel for nice, gloomy pat-expat chat. I would certainly tune in for that.
At the same time, I must admit I was disappointed in how Webb gave Patriotic Alternative the Eeyore treatment without even assessing the group’s merits or demerits. Maybe the undeniably great work Towler, Mark Collett, and others have been doing will eventually put Patriotic Alternative over the top? Maybe “people in Britain” will grow more and more to appreciate maverick pro-immigration parties as Britain becomes less and less white? Maybe the Brexit vote in 2016 makes Webb’s fatalism a little more difficult to argue?
It does seem odd that someone who skewers the Left’s sacred cows almost daily on his YouTube channel would shy away from singing the praises of an organized group doing the same thing. I know that Towler commented on his video, and that her comment has been removed. Webb posted a second video explaining that it was YouTube and not he who had done that. He also described the abuse he received from what seemed like Patriotic Alternative supporters after his first video:
I knew nothing about Patriotic Alternative before. But now I know that their supporters tend to be dishonest and rude, at least those of them who were commenting here. They told me that I was old, which is true, and that I am a wanker, which is, to say the least, debatable, and that I should fuck off, which is surely a matter of opinion. Many of them accused me of cowardice because they said I would not debate with a woman called Laura Towler, of whom I had never heard until yesterday.
Aware of the caveats that most of the comments on both videos were respectful to both Webb and Patriotic Alternative, that some of these abusive commenters may have been feds or trolls, and that Towler’s comments in the second video were not deleted, I must admit to being a little heartbroken when I learned about this.
Infighting makes dissident movements weak, unattractive, and less likely to succeed. There is absolutely no excuse for telling a person like Simon Webb to fuck off. It maligns an innocent person and reflects badly on Patriotic Alternative. We have so little influence as it is, why make things worse by hurling broadsides at fellow travelers? Believe me, the last thing we as dissidents would want is for Simon Webb to get so fed up with us that he takes his ball and goes home.
Yes, perhaps Webb should have studied a little more about Patriotic Alternative before closing the book on it (and I have to admit that professing his complete ignorance of Laura Towler after having dismissed her organization in a five-and-a-half-minute video wasn’t a good look for him). Then again, someone can chide me for not watching that one video Webb did back in August 2021 or whenever which refutes half of what I say above. No one can get it right every time and so some slack must be provided, especially for someone who serves up as much free content as Webb does.
As for Webb’s position vis-à-vis Patriotic Alternative, perhaps he is just not excited by activism? Perhaps he’s simply more comfortable tying up the inconsistencies of our ruling elites with his syllogisms than he would be handing out leaflets or projecting anti-immigration messages on Dover Beach. Or perhaps he is less willing to be critical of Jews than Patriotic Alternative’s supporters are? This last bit has been a sticking point for some of his commenters in past videos. Webb insists on a more Judeo-neutral stance than most who are involved with Patriotic Alternative, I would imagine. His position is quite adamant, too, as he explained during his appearance on the Jolly Heretic a year and a half ago. In fact, Webb was getting bombarded with so many viewer questions about Jews that host Ed Dutton at one point had a hard time giving him questions that weren’t about Jews. (Dutton did a pretty good imitation of Webb here, and Webb himself has affirmed that he has no Jewish ancestry.)
Regardless, Simon Webb does not deserve abuse from anyone for any of this. I would like to see him get to know Towler and Collett. I would like to see him affirm his support for Patriotic Alternative. But if not, he’s still a tremendous resource for dissidents, a great introduction for future dissidents, and may very well turn out to be the Jared Taylor of the British Isles. These two would probably get along nicely, and as with the Patriotic Alternative folks, I look forward to Webb getting to know Taylor as well.
And if he starts calling himself Simon Hwebb, we’ll all know who to blame.
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Mark Collett provides a first-rate response to Simon Webb. Check it out.
I’ve had the rare opportunity to have a couple of brief exchanges with Simon Webb himself in the comments on his past videos about everything from the Israeli intelligence involvement in the 9/11 attacks (the Dancing Israelis) to Lenin’s true ethnic identity to Israel’s right to expansion to the overrepresentation of Jews in far-left movements such as communist revolutions. In none of these exchanges did I ever resort to ad hominem attacks. However, I must admit it disappoints me greatly to see someone—who’s as “perceptive, erudite, and non-condescending” a historian as he—on more than one occasion dismiss any falsifiable facts about the JQ as mere “anti-Semitic conspiracies.”
Personally, I’m grateful for his work, particularly the ones making fun of dubious and downright absurd Afrofuturist and revisionist crackpot historical theories about past “black greatness and excellence”, still being available on YouTube. For someone who despises being called a “racist” or “white supremacist” such as he, however, Mr. Webb surely doesn’t hold back when he decides to call you an anti-Semitic lunatic if you dare point out the Frankfurt School was literally headed exclusively by a bunch of commies of Jewish descent or that Leon Trotsky was Jewish.
PA is at its best when performing activism, like yesterday when feeding the growing number of homeless on streets of Newcastle. It works and I applaud it, but First Past the Post destroys single issue parties. Webb is right as was Orwell that a great change in mindset- not simply the system- would have to come about for England to vote in a one issue party, nevermind where ideology is a lot more clear cut. Perhaps when demographics are worse than they are now, but even then, conclaves will form, and have already in certain cities, and then minor parties will fight amongst themselves for council ownership and select seats.
I have had conversations with former members of the BNP and NF, Kevin Scott, Dave Yorkshire and asked them about what went wrong. I’m sure Greg and others will recall Adrian Davies’ speech at AmRen 2018 which all but named Nick Griffin as a source of many issues in English politics. That stupid Question Time episode made him look a buffon. This is what the system does to the fringe who pose any threat. One face becomes a symbol of an entire party and movement. Collett clearly has great technical prowess, but would he survive the limelight when PA faces the grand jury? You can find clips of him praising Hitler and Mein Kampf being his favourite book. I have been investigated by the CTU for saying less and simply being friendly with National Socialists. He streams with Ethan Ralph, an all around embarrassment, convicted revenge pornagrapher, engaged to a pedo-defender, and currently burning cozy.tv and America First with his general presence. Isn’t this a Sargon 2.0 waiting to happen? The internet is a lot more forgiving to these comments than the real world and when journalists find these clips, they will use them until enough people know to spread it about.
Perhaps PA will have to work as an activist group and I applaud it when it does. Pressure groups and ‘think’ tanks are underrated. Identity England and Migration Watch do great work. Ukip forced the hand in Brexit, but we all knew the party was Farage and the common mistake in 2016 from some Americans was he would become “president of the UK”. This is not how England works.
Modally, whites everywhere are douchebags (and perhaps getting to be more so annually). For those serious about white preservation, we must ever focus on “white nationalist nationalism”. Only committed prowhites will end up saving whites – and this possibly only by saving ourselves. We cannot presume that “our people” = “whites”. No, “our people/tribe/nation” = “prowhites”. Someday, when modal whites find themselves caught between savages and us, many might return to whiteness. Until then, we are the ones we seek. We must build the White Nationalist Nation, and this both ideologically and territorially.
God, I’m glad you wrote this. I’m so sick of the (((Bracket Brigade))) pissing their jodhpurs ever time someone isn’t in complete lockstep on every point.
I like and support PA, and anyone who listened to the video knows that Webb made a point of saying he wasn’t criticizing PA. His (implied) criticism was clearly of the British people and their reticence to go outside of established political parameters.
There are those who are in this movement because it’s the edgiest edge-game in town. They’re in it for the misanthropy, period. Those people are worthless.
You either care about making things better for white people, or you don’t. Webb arguably does. And attacking a treasure like him, because he doesn’t (yet) see the merits of your team, is asinine strategy. Figure it out.
Mr Webb seems to be a throughly good egg: his well-researched demolition of “Prehistoric Black Britain”, a feel-good fantasy for school-aged ‘Britons’ of sub-Saharan heritage that is promoted by tenured charlatans such as the BBC’s favourite historian Professor David Olusoga, is invaluable because he will be listened to and stands a chance of changing minds. The same cannot be said of those who chose to attack British Jewry. By doing so they merely place themselves beyond the pale and find themselves in the company of islamists and nazis — groups deeply repugnant to the British public.
I’m pretty sure ‘British Jewry’ is characterised by being strongly anti-white. What is the moral objection to attacking it?
Mr. Webb’s wistful skyward glance at the thought of 30 National Front MPs is all the proof I need that his heart is in the right place.
Unfortunately (for us) he appears to value his YT channel and book sales, both of which would be throttled, over an honest exploration of that most important of questions.
The Jew thing is the event horizon of dissident politics. One step into it, and there’s no going back. From there, the only way out is through. I encourage people to go into the Jew thing because it’s like burning the ships – decreases the chances of desertion, but some people like to have their retreat path open.
“I encourage people to go into the Jew thing because it’s like burning the ships – decreases the chances of desertion, but some people like to have their retreat path open.”
That is a unique and interesting way of putting it, Mr. Jeelvy.
I once tried to have Unique and Interesting printed on my business card, but the printer told me that I’m the 5th guy to request it that week and frankly, he was bored of it.
Ha! In your case, I think, he might have made an exception — you are a treasure!
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