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Sándor Wagner, The Self-Sacrifice of Titus Dugovics (1853), depicting a Hungarian Knight who prevented the Turks from raising their banner from one of Belgrade’s turrets during the siege of the city in 1456, causing both Dugovics and the standard-bearer to fall to their deaths.
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Czech version here
Recently, I was speaking to a friend about the Russo-Ukrainian War and specifically, the effect it has had on Western nationalists. Many people calling themselves anti-imperialists have enthusiastically embraced the imperial project to annex Ukraine and erase Ukrainian nationhood, absorbing this people into the broader Russian imperial body. More people who until recently called for “no more brother wars” are now enthusiastically cheering as Russian and Ukrainian soldiers kill each other in a bloody brother war.
If we plot these people on a map, however, we see a general tendency of people who live in America and Western Europe to cheer on the Russian imperial efforts, whereas people from Eastern Europe tend to be either more ambivalent or outright pro-Ukrainian. Or, as my friend put it, “the further away you are from the bear, the cuter it looks.”
This isn’t just the case among dissidents and nationalists. National governments in the West have varied wildly in their support of Ukraine in the conflict against Russia. The governments of the Baltic states, Poland, the Czech Republic, and the Scandinavian countries have been the most supportive, often to the detriment of their own national security, whereas France and Germany have been the great ditherers. The outlier, of course, is Hungary, but as I was once told on a visit to Budapest, “Hungarians hate all foreigners, they always have and that is the way it should be.”
Of course, Anglophone countries have also been strongly supportive, but they have an imperial geopolitical interest of their own to pursue in opposition to the Russian imperial interest, so their motivations and behaviors aren’t those of nation-states. I will therefore focus here on the difference between the Eastern European (chiefly Poland and the Baltics) and Western European (chiefly France and Germany) responses to this war and a possible historical root of such responses.
I first want to clarify that I’m not going to put France and Germany on the spot or assign particular blame to them for their lackluster response, because I believe in the right of nation-states to set their own foreign policy, choose their allies and competitors, and set their own course in the world. I will also recognize that France and Germany cannot give their all in aid to Ukraine as Poland and the Baltic states have done for another reason related to geopolitical reality: While Russia represents the primary security threat to the Eastern countries and defense against it encompasses almost their entire military and security operational framework, Western Europe has different security and military priorities. France in particular has not given up on being a world power, and so finds it very important to retain independent power projection capabilities. Thus its military is geared towards that end, as opposed to the militaries of the East, which are built around the idea of defending against Russian attack. If Poland empties its warehouses of materiel with which Ukrainian soldiers neutralize the Russian threat, Poland has not strayed from its long-term strategic objectives, but if France does the same thing, then it risks its own ability to project power in Africa, the Maghreb, and its various overseas departments.
What I will comment on is that there is a certain ingratitude on the part of the West for the sacrifices the East (and to a lesser degree, the South) of Europe has historically made and still makes, of which the West is a beneficiary.
The European continent is bounded by the Eurasian steppe and Ural Mountains to the east, by Asia Minor and the Levant to the southeast, in the south by the Mediterranean Sea and beyond it, North Africa. The continent’s western and northern borders are bounded by the vast, historically impassable Atlantic and Arctic oceans. But to the east and south, danger brewed and enemies of Europe came from there to attack the continent and its white inhabitants.
First came the Huns from the steppe, displacing the Germanic tribes of the east and driving them into the already fragile Roman Empire, causing the collapse of its Western half. Barely had the Germanic kingdoms in the West established some semblance of order when the Arabs and Moors came rushing in from the south, taking all of Iberia except Asturias and only just being beaten back by the knights of France. Italy was never safe from the Arabs until the Crusades broke the back of the Caliphate, and just like Spain, its southern half, including the island of Sicily, was conquered by the Arabs and kept enslaved until the de Hauteville Norman aristocratic family managed to almost single-handedly drive the menace out (although with Papal support). Then came incessant waves of steppe peoples in the Middle Ages — Bulgars, Tatars, Cumans, Magyars, Pechenegs, and finally the Mongols — whose reign of terror across the Eurasian landmass was halted by the combined efforts of Poland and Hungary, but not before much suffering, devastation, and the subjugation of the Rus, which would continue for another two centuries.
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In the meantime, the collapse of the Byzantine Empire meant the entry of the Ottoman Turks into Europe from the southeast and the permanent loss of Anatolia to European civilization. Over the course of the next 300 years, the Ottomans fought bloody battles with the Balkan principalities, finally conquering and subjugating them all before moving on to Hungary and Austria, where they were beaten back by an Austrian-Polish alliance and forced to retreat. Tellingly, France allied with the Ottomans in what has been called a sacrilegious union, and French assistance was instrumental in the Ottoman defeat and occupation of Hungary. The Ottomans were beaten at the gates of Vienna and relinquished Hungary and Croatia only after 150 years, in the wake of the Great Turkish War, but the Balkans would remain in the Turks’ grip for much longer.
In the twentieth century came one final threat from the East, the Bolshevik horde. The first attack was beaten back by resurgent Poland in 1921 during the Polish-Soviet War, naturally with Baltic assistance, but the second attack in 1941 was unfortunately successful, and in 1945 Eastern Europe, including the eastern part of Germany, fell under Soviet occupation. The succeeding 45-year period of Soviet occupation resulted in a breakdown of traditional and high culture in the East, as well as dysgenic fertility caused by this cultural breakdown, as well as the perverse incentives set up by the Bolshevik states. Of course, the wars themselves and Communist massacres such Katyn and Bleiburg destroyed some of the best men the East had to offer before they could father children, while the Bolsheviks’ heightened social status and their useful idiots has led to a proliferation of the Communist criminal chromosomes characteristic of the commissars in the East. The genetic damage is probably immeasurable. The East has harbored a mistrust of the West ever since.
In “Dysgenics of a Communist Killing Field,” the linked article referring to the Bleiburg massacre, Dr. Tomislav Sunić speculates that the Balkan nations’ lower average IQs may be a result of Communism’s dysgenic effects, both in the negative sense of massacres such as Bleiburg and Katyn and in the positive sense of the Communist practice of promoting criminals, sociopaths, and ethnic minorities to positions of privilege which accorded them greater reproductive success then they’d have otherwise had.
I fully agree with his assessment, but I’ll also add that the comparatively higher average IQ of the Central and Eastern European nations who also went through the Communist IQ shredder indicates that it is probably our experience with the Ottoman Turks in the Balkans which has thrown our average IQs into the low 90s. A friend of mine is fond of pointing out that two-thirds of the Balkans’ aristocratic class died fighting the Ottomans, and the third that survived converted to Islam and now live on in Istanbul and Ankara as Turkey’s lily-white ruling class. Not just the aristocrats but also the haute bourgeoisie would regularly convert to Islam, as well as any peasant who figured out that conversion would raise him up from the status of dhimmi; thus, in every generation a bit of the higher-IQ populations of the Christian Balkan nations would be lopped off and transferred to Turkey.
IQ, of course, is not the be-all and end-all of nations, but it is a parameter we can measure. What other immeasurable parameters have been made worse in the East and Southeast by the Ottoman and Communist occupations? What had to be destroyed so that Homo sovieticus could be born? What low knavery had to be dressed up as mastery so that the aberrant psychology of the sovok boomer and his comrade-in-cringe, the yugoboomer, may emerge? Sorrowful is the fate of conquered people.
To the West, the East has been a cordon sanitaire protecting it against invasions from the south and southeast. Spain and Italy have also served as absorbing barriers for Muslim might in the past (and still do). In the meantime, Northwestern Europe has mostly been spared these blights, even though it had its own problems, divisions, and difficulties.
I don’t want to make it appear as if the East selflessly defended the thankless West, of course. The situation was closer to the East defending itself with the security of the West as a positive externality, and with intermittent Western assistance, with notable and often decisive exceptions such as the French-Ottoman and Anglo-Ottoman alliances or the support of America’s Jewish financial and industrial elites in building up the Soviet Union, culminating in the Roosevelt administration’s unconditional logistical, diplomatic, and military support for the Soviet cause, which allowed it to conquer Eastern Europe and part of Germany herself.
It would be foolish to believe that the East’s struggle is the only reason the West managed to develop and become the world-spanning civilization it is. We have a control group for that: In Asia it was China that bore the brunt of steppe savages’ invasions, but this has not led to the development of a civilization of note in Indochina, even as it allowed Japan to rise as a world power. The potential for greatness has to be there for the absence of savages to matter. Japan had some; Northwestern Europe had it in spades. Nevertheless, the East’s blood, shed over untold generations, contributed to that rise.
When my friend first suggested I write about this dynamic, initially I refused because I didn’t believe I could write this article without coming across as resentful of the West. I certainly do not appreciate comments about Mediterraneans, Balkanoids, and Slavs not being white on account of our lower average IQs, higher propensity towards criminality, or our women’s shameless materialism. Those traits are the heavy burdens of having been Europe’s shield to its south, east, and southeast. The best of us died so that the best of you could explore, discover, invent, and create. I am not sorry, because we do get to partake in the civilizational dividend. But take note of the sacrifices that were made — the long-term damage to our genetic quality — and make decisions accordingly.
Next time, the East, whether because it has bled too much or feels betrayed, may not stand its battered body between the West and the swarthy hordes beyond Europe’s borders yet again.
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Antemurale Christianitatis– What a waste that idea was for my fatherland in practice. Partitions by fellow christian (but “enlightened”) countries probably summed all that up the best.
Way to go, slandering Hungarians.
This is nothing,he talks shit about Greeks all the time.
An even more important topic is the Albanian Question. Having traveled to all Balkan countries last summer I was amazed how one nation stuck out quite negatively and yet was the most nationalistic in every country I found them within. Even more troubling is the recent Macedonian census. I am starting to believe the Ukraine War will eventually spread via distraction to Bosnia (secession of Srpska and Croat entities), and then Greater Serbia and Greater Albania within the Balkans.
It was pretty horrifying seeing how much hegemony Albanians have in Macedonia and the Bosnian-Albanian mixed region in Novi Pazar, Serbia. It didn’t look, sound or even smell like Europe, but more like Lebanon. None of Albania proper or Kosovo did either. They even dress like Yemenis.
All of these emerging conflicts have been slowly simmering since WWI, especially within Western European countries themselves (Catalonia, Corsica, Breton, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Basque, South Tyrol, Venetia, Asturias, Galicia, Greenland, Gibraltar, Walloonia/Flanders, Friesland on and on) despite all being within the European Union and so-called NATO alliance.
Even after vectoring in Third World immigration, and even more EU migration, these ancient tensions have not subsided between perennial peoples, but in fact adapted to and transcended political-correctness somehow.
The last country I ever expected to see any tension ironically had the most amongst its cohorts: Switzerland. Civic nationalism does not work. Even the modus vivendi in which the cantons of Switzerland have coexisted for centuries does not work anymore because many of the Italians have migrated and assimilated to the francophone region.
Yet when I was in Lausanne I filmed them at 3am loudly celebrating Italy winning the FIFA cup, much to the annoyance of the police and other residents. I asked them why are they cheering for Italy, waving Italian flags and blaring Godfather techno music when they all have Swiss plates and don’t speak Italian? All they could say is because they are Italian.
And on top of all this is a litany of irredentist disputes in Eastern Europe, most notably with the poorly drawn borders carving up the Magyar sprachraum.
The Macedonian census is bullshit. Data from the state health insurance fund indicates Albanians are no more than 12% of the population, but their numbers were inflated because population percentages govern official language use in Macedonia.
UK -Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England left the EU at !!pm GMT 31 January 2020
And notice how two of them are desperately trying to get back in it!
No, I can’t say I had. What I did notice was that the EU is using the Irish Republic to try to subvert Northern Ireland and the Peace Process as some kind of middle-finger to the UK.
Dress like Yemenis? How?
A rather blunt question could be: Does Islam attract imbeciles?(*) If one compares the achievements of the Islamic world with the classical and modern civilisations of China and India at a superficial level, then it may well seem so.
East Asia and India produce distinguished physicists and mathematicians in abundance, whereas such luminaries are even today few and far between in the Arab lands and Persia (I disregard Africa for obvious reasons).
Is it not a puzzle that Islam, the purest and most universal of the major monotheistic faiths is notoriously replete with dunces, backwoodsmen and violent lunatics? The philosophers of the Islamic Golden Age were men of genuine stature who influenced Western thought; yet after them came only warlords and fanatics. What went wrong?
(*) Islam is the fastest growing sect in Britain’s gaols, and not only because the Prophet’s putative votaries tend to receive preferential treatment.
The historic Islamic philosophers were for the most part first or second generation Persian or European converts, but who are then subjected to both mixing with the Arab substrate and the dysgenic effects of the Islamic system itself.
It’s like the case of Turkey’s elite which consists almost universally of the descendants of Balkan, Caucasian and other white converts. In Turkey, thankfully, Kemalism had managed to halt the dysgenic processes Islam has on the white elite, but that is being done away with by Erdogan (himself a descendant of Georgian converts) and the AKP.
@Nick Jeelvy
…but who are then subjected to both mixing with the Arab substrate and the dysgenic effects of the Islamic system itself.
If by “dysgenic effects of the Islamic system” you are implying cousin marriages, well, according to Qur’an, they are permitted not commanded, or recommended.
Qur’an also allows one to consume the meat of certain animals. But that does not mean that one is commanded to always eat meat. He will destroy his kidneys if he makes meat his only diet.
Hence, it would not be appropriate to conflate practices that are dictated more by tribal and local considerations with Islam.
The more I learn about Islam the less I am impressed. It’s kind of like how Mormonism became all the rage for a while because Utah produced more whites for a while until now that it is less fecund than other states. All the weirdness of some alien religion is not worth it if there is no actual payoff since the advantage it had has been severely eroded. I used to naively believe Bosnians were a good model for post-Christian Europe, but they have some of the lowest birthrates in all of Europe, and they are singlehandedly causing consternation with people almost genetically identical to them. That’s all you need to know. Islam is also much less polygamy than advertised across the Muslim World, with s grotesque amount of consanguinity (60% in Pakistan), which is dysgenic. Islam is becoming increasingly wrong about women.
It is a cult.
@Vehmgericht
1. Does Islam attract imbeciles?
Some of the “imbeciles” that Islam has attracted in the last 100 years:
Marmaduke Pickthall, Rene Guenon, Frithjof Schuon, Martin Lings, Gai Eaton, Charles Upton, Timothy Winter, etc.
2. This “Islamic Golden Age” thing is an Orientalist concoction. It is the product of Whiggish historiography prevalent in the Imperial civil service. It should not be taken seriously.
Islam has its own benchmarks on which it measures the temporal space.
3. East Asia and India produce distinguished physicists and mathematicians in abundance, whereas such luminaries are even today few and far between in the Arab lands and Persia…
Dear friend, you should read more about the region. Better still, learn Arabic and Persian. These are remarkable languages. You will have a key to an infinite treasure.
As for physicists and mathematicians, well, if physics, mathematics, and other sciences do not lead one towards Tazkiyah (purification of self) and Ma’rifa [Knowledge of Al-Haqq (Ultimate Reality)] then it is ignorance and conjecture.
What is the worth of Man if he does not fervently strive to know about his Nafs?
As for physicists and mathematicians, well, if physics, mathematics, and other sciences do not lead one towards Tazkiyah (purification of self) and Ma’rifa [Knowledge of Al-Haqq (Ultimate Reality)] then it is ignorance and conjecture.
This is precisely the reason why such luminaries are even today few and far between in the Arab lands and Persia…
The scientists do not weather well political suppression.
What an uneasy alliance! Are you not a clandestine member of Islamo-gauchism? How on earth could Islam side with Christianity when Europe is of Judeo-Christian Providence? You must be a Quisling or a spy!
Some of the “imbeciles” that Islam has attracted in the last 100 years:
Marmaduke Pickthall, Rene Guenon, Frithjof Schuon, Martin Lings, Gai Eaton, Charles Upton, Timothy Winter, etc.
And Malcolm X, of course. And Cassius Clay. And Stevie Wonder. And Michael Jackson.
A great piece that I thoroughly enjoyed. A grand summary and analysis of many centuries of history and the role of white Eastern Europeans in acting as a “shield.” They have certainly paid a price. On another note, I don’t really know anyone who is “cheering” the current war in Ukraine.
If the West hadnt dithered and infighted Constantinople might not have fallen to the Turks and the Balkans would have had a completely different destiny. They had the same nonchalant attitude back then of “not my baby not my problem” which became their problem with the siege of Vienna. Todays West will quickly come to regret emasculating their societies and militaries, but hopefully we can salvage something in time before Russia and the ant empire of China steamroll too much.
Eastern Europe was betrayed by France, England and Germany siding with islam/turkey in the past at various times. In modern history NATO/US sided with islam/kosovo vs Serbia.
The Ukr war was enabled by US judeo-christian war mongers. The extension is that US betrays entire Europe today.
The good news is that uncontrolled migration into Western Europe is beginning to wake them up with what the east has faced for 1000 years.
Is it not somewhat of an oversimplification that many in the West are pro-Russian and East are against Russia? Bulgaria for example have strong ties to Russia and not to mention Serbia. Moldova seem to be somewhat of a cuck for Russia as well. Also in Poland, while the position of PiS is heavily pro-Ukrainian many Polish nationalists seem to either be neutralists or pro-Russian like Xportal/Falanga.
Like all generalizations, some details are lost when we look at the bigger picture. A country by country analysis of positions vis a vis the Russo-Ukrainian war would require lots of research and probably should not be done while the conflict is still ongoing.
But don’t worry, it will come. We’ll be chewing on this war for years.
Thanks for your response Nick! 🙂
Maybe an article about Bulgarias historical ties to Russia could be an article for you to write in the future? I know you are Macedonian but you certainly know a lot about the history of the Balkans. From what I understand it in Bulgaria there is really a split, seen footage of fighting in the streets. Maybe the issue runs deeper than just about the war and relations to Russia?
I could write a lot about Bulgaria’s history with Russia, but because of who I am, it would do nothing but open old wounds, even if the same thing coming from a Bulgarian would be uncontroversial. As for the fighting in the streets, I’ve not heard much about it.
Also in Poland, while the position of PiS is heavily pro-Ukrainian many Polish nationalists seem to either be neutralists or pro-Russian like Xportal/Falanga.
Nationalist issue is…complicated. Falanga/Xportal (I couldn’t access their site after the war erupted, might be a hand of Internal Security Agency), is a fringe movement and influenced by Duginism/Eurasianism. Many Autonomous Nationalists are pro-Ukrainian, ONR (National-Radical Camp) seems to take more balanced position. National Movement (Ruch Narodowy) that co-founded Konfederacja party is probably in similar position.
However, in public propaganda anti-Russian spin is strong and affecting public setiments to a certain degree. Poland as a whole is a russophobic country by politics and general sentiments. There may be some individual cases of Poles and Russians drinking together and fraternizing, but no chance for serious public initiatives that pursue reconcilliation (especially after so many wasted occasions and increasing Ukrainian migration). Places like Bulgaria have more russian-sympathizing populace, but anti-Russian politicians.
Communism in Europe was antiwhite, dysgenic, and morally terrible, because it was disproportionately Jewish, and it inherited the qualities of the people that, disproportionately, created and sustained it.
Ethnic Russians are White, and have different tendencies. But the Jews had disproportionate political power, and the cultural and political megaphone.
Ethnic Americans and Anglos are White, and also have different tendencies. But the Jews have disproportionate political power, and the cultural and political megaphone.
Antiwhite, White genocide-promoting, globo-homo imperialism pours out of London and Washington, not because Whites are like that but because Jews are like that, and Jews hold the Hollywood megaphone, along with disproportionate wealth and power.
I don’t think it makes much sense to talk about Eastern Europeans defending Europe (meaning Whites) from an implicitly non-White Bolshevik horde. Wherever Jewish power rises, there the military will become an enforcer of antiwhite, dysgenic, and morally terrible policies, because of the nature of Jews and not because of any peculiar characteristics of the local Whites.
If the Russians are blameworthy for not having defeated a Jewish take-over, then Eastern Europeans are also to blame, also for losing, and all the English-speaking peoples are blameworthy today, also for losing.
With Jews we lose.
Damn, Nick, this might be your best essay ever. Thanks.
.I don’t think westerners care about the good points raised here, they already pay “compensation” for slavery and colonialism (and all other possible imaginable sins thrown at them ), every day, whether they are aware of that or not . They don’t owe us nothing. You cannot reason with a suicidal freak inviting third worlders to take over his land. Sorry for the blackpill.
Lots of people in the East consider that an additional insult, that Westerners feel guilt for things they didn’t do wrong (conquer the Americas and Africa) but zero or very little guilt for the genuine wrong they did against the East (4th crusade, Ottoman alliances, propping up the Soviet Union).
“Cumans, Magyars, Pechenegs, and finally the Mongols — whose reign of terror across the Eurasian landmass was halted by the combined efforts of Poland and Hungary” – so not only the Hungarians were present in Europe before they even arrived here, but they also fought against themselves. Amazing!
Perhaps English is not your first language.
i now see that the author was talking about the terror the Mongols brought to Europe when he said Hungary and Poland halted it. what i was trying to say is that the Hungarians themselves are the descendents of the Magyar and the Cuman tribes.
I first became aware of the Pechenegs while reading Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogennitos’ policy manual De Administrando Imperio (the Emperor’s second name means ‘born in the purple’).
The Pechenegs seemed to be a buffer between the Empire and other hostile peoples further away.
What I find interesting is that the Greek word for these people is Patzinaki, which is also used in modern Greek to describe the husband of a man’s wife’s sister.
Greek is pretty precise this way, having broken down the term brother-in-law (and sister-in-law) to be clear what one means exactly in each case. Example: a spouse’s brother is a kouniado, a sibling’s husband is a gambro, and the aforementioned relationship between men who married sisters (patzinaki), so there are three distinct types of brother-in-law each with their own term.
Similarly, a spouse’s sister is his kouniada, a brother’s wife is his nyphi. Gambro and nyphi are also used for son- and daughter-in-law, respectively as well, so the Hellenic tongue is not perfectly precise (an elderly person can refer to his gambro or his nyphi, and one would not be sure if he means his Brother/sister-in-law or his son/daughter-in-law, unless the context is clear.
Patzinaki sounds more like a grecification of Baçanak/Badzhanak, which is what we use for the wife’s sister’s cousin in the Slavic languages, but is a Turkish term.
Wouldn’t the wife’s sister’s cousin be the wife’s cousin as well? Or did you mean wife’s cousin’s husband, *that* is another level of precision.
Thanks for clarifying, indeed the pronunciation is batzanaki (not patzinaki) so ultimately the Turkish origin of baçanak seems right, ie. Perhaps nothing to do with the Pechenegs at all. I just learned a synonym for batzanaki in Greek is sygambros, literally co-groom.
One more precision: two women who marry men who are brothers are synnyphades.
Clarification. I meant “wife’s sister’s husband.” In the meantime, my linguist friends have informed me that while Macedonian and Bulgarian use badzhanak, Serbian uses “pashenog” and I suspect Croatian does too. The words seem to have the same root as “Pecheneg”, but all the way back in the proto-Turkic language.
Türkish it is Peçenekler or Beçenekler (ler is for Plural). Direct descendants of Pechenegs are Gagauzians in Moldova, partially Qirim Tatars and Nogaylar (Kangli), some other Türkic peoples in Caucasus and the Great Steppe, and some assimilated allegedly Slavic peoples like Bosnians and Ukrainians. Linquistically the Pechenegs possibly were nearer to Anatolian and Azerbaycan Türks (Oguz Branch of Türkic languages).
I agree it is amazing. For a glance at a world map of the future, when the world is divided into free trade zones and run by transnational corporations, Hungary won’t be on it. That great replacement thing, you know? Who speaks Hungarian?
Every time I hear Nick Jeelvy on ‘Writers’ Bloc’ every Sunday, I am just so floored over how much he knows about so many subjects, in history, current events, literature, movies, even video games and metal music, these last two about which I know nothing (though I did force myself to listen to most of a Death Metal compilation of a friend’s son’s band once) and so many other subjects. And he’s only 30! But then, I am so amazed at the depth of knowledge of most of our members, writers and commentators, and Jeelvy is up there with the best. So, somehow, the IQ bug hung around in enough parts of the Balkans to ‘infect’ Jeelvy, thank heavens. I’m actually pretty sure everyone in every part of Europe is far better educated than most (if not all) people in America.
I am so pleased he has written this commentary on the causes of this current Ukrainian invasion and genocidal devastation caused by Russia, and specifically, Putin. I studied Russian History as a minor in college and have never forgotten how unbelievably horrid life was in Russia from 1917 onwards. And I was thinking in 1991, as the grip of Russia loosened on all of Eastern and Central Europe at long last we will have peace and an end to the “Cold War” in the West, and freedom for the Soviet satellite states. Yet, here we are again. But Jeelvy’s historical reminders in this essay helps to locate the true causes of this episode.
Through a friend in England, who had acquaintances in Ukraine, I’ve been learning how terrible things are ‘on the ground’. We correspond with one family, a young couple with one small baby, their parents (who don’t want to leave the country), and all the problems they have daily. It’s heartbreaking. But what little money we send them, they use not only for themselves but for other friends and their kids as well. This is all a long story, and I only pray it ends well. Thanks again for the history lesson of that area, it gives perspective.
Thank you for your kind words. There are still many high quality men in the Balkans, there will be many more in the future if far-sighted governments would stop the dysgenic processes here and maybe try to regenerate our genetic health as nations and as a region. The same would greatly benefit Europe as a whole, including its colonial offshoots abroad.
I don’t know how any nationalist in any country can still possibly support the status quo in Ukraine, especially now that we can see who the combatants really were the entire time. The outcome was a given despite all the wishful thinking of the globalist media. The closest argument I’ve heard to a legitimate take is the Freikorps technically buttressing the Weimar Republic in 1919. Yet even then the context is really incomparable because the nascent ‘November Criminals’ were still largely unknown and the Kaiserreich had just fought the most brutal two-front war ever, and had crushed the Russia Empire in a punitive treaty after facilitating the Bolshevik Revolution. So they rightly feared a vengeful communist takeover since Western Front was already decided.
Can you imagine the same Freikorps propping up the Weimar Republic in 1927? That’s the equivalent to what is happening in Ukraine all these years after Maiden. I think many nationalists in Europe are genuinely Russophobic and would rather live in rotting liberal democracies than risk experiencing what comes next under Russian hegemony. It’s just another Crimean War with the same alliance.
With due respect, for God’s sake, this war is classic Zionism.
First, Soviet Union has nothing to do with Russia. Soviet Union was a Jewish concentration camp built for White Christians and for all White People that had an IQ over 80 (well, 70).
Second, USA is already now not a White Country, it is already a Soviet Union 2.0, and eventually it will be another Jewish concentration camp for White People.
Third, EU is not anymore an Union for White People, and it will be eventually, once more, a Jewish concentration camp for White People.
We can analyze to the nth degree the ethinicities and histories of various people around these concentration camps, but the end result is, every time, these camps are Jewish concentration camps for us, The White People.
The more we fight between each other, instead of fighting the Real Enemy, the sooner we are behind the barbed wire, soon to be slaughtered.
So, please, let’s stop helping our enemy by finding enemies amongst ourselves. We know the Enemy, the know we know them, so for God’s sake, let’s do something about it.
Very interesting take on history. Would like to know where you get your sources.
My very limited reading of the crusades mentions nothing like “the crusades having broken the back of the Caliphate”. Instead, I’m constantly reminded of how the crusader forces ventured out from Akko, marched across the desert and faced fresh, watered Islamic forces. They lost the battle. Those taken captive were then beheaded in their thousands by the Caliphate. The crusaders also sacked and weakened Bzyzantium, leaving it more open to the final conquest by the Muslims.
Recently purchased the 2 volume set Poland God’s Playground by Norman Davies but haven’t yet read it. I know that some other major identitarian sites, not Counter-Currents, don’t reckon Poles as whites and not really US citizens (even those in the US for generations) which they restrict to “founding stock” only.
The dysgenic effects of communism is something I’ve not heard of before. In a way, as the USA becomes more socialist in all but name, these same dysgenic effects are happening here.
Another reason why nationalists support Russia is that they simply can’t bear to be (ostensibly) cheering the same team as the shitlibs, as Mark Collett illustrated during his talk with Greg a few weeks ago.
Lest we also forget the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) slaughtering ethnic Poles in Volynhia and surrounding areas in 1943-1944. Our family fled the area and an elderly male relative stayed behind to mind the farm to be axed in the face. Even to my grandfather’s dying day he would often say they were more afraid of the ethnic Ukrainian insurgents than of the Soviets (or Bolsheviks) and the Nazis. This is also not to downplay the Polish atrocities committed against ethnic Germans in territory farther north. That time and place fascinates me as it should all of us who are witnessing current events. I’d heartily recommend finding the film Wołyń directed by Wojciech Smarzowski. In my opinion it is one of the most accurate depictions of a story filled with clashes over economics, class, religion, race, and white on white horror.
Yep, all left out of the narrative. OUN-B was and is fascist. UPA same
Fascism was and is only one viable order for Central and Eastern Europe. And there was nothing unusual in authoritarian (or “Fascist” rule) for Central and Eastern European countries (and not for them only) in 1930´s. Those authoritarian orders tried to save those nations in the face of Bolshevik menace.
OUN or UPA were guerrilla organisations, and guerrilleros were and are brutal always and everywhere. The Guerrilla warfare does not know “laws and customs” of war or “rules of engagement”. But if we say that the Vietnamese VC with all their brutality were right in their fighting against French colonialists and American imperialists, when we consider Ho Chi Minh or Diap as heroes of national liberation, so we have to see at OUN or at Uyghur/Qazaq movements in Eastern Türkestan more objectively.
“Ho Chi Minh or Diap as heroes of national liberation, so we have to see at OUN or at Uyghur/Qazaq movements in Eastern Türkestan more objectively.”
Ho Chi Minh was both a gangster and a drug trafficker. Any read of The Politics of Heroin in south East Asia, to name one book, will show the extensive ties he had to both CIA, drug lords and of course his own coterie of cruel fascists.
Both he, and the US Phoenix Program were responsible for 2,000 murders a week of Vietnamese for 20 years.
And nothing had to do with National Liberation or the Soviet threat it had to do with the ‘rackets’, for as said, he was little more than a murderer and trafficker.
He was one of many pawns in a geo-political game where self-enrichment and the suffering of others are combined into a personality and political philosophy.
But I understand this site.
Thugs like the Nicaraguan Contras: a rude collection of former murderous National Guard and anti–Castro Cubans that were turned into Freedom Fighters as well, with billionaire largess .
Reagan said if we didn’t stop them, they’d invade the US through the MX border.
Ironically, Americans are fleeing to MX to live.
We’ve seen all of this before, if we are old enough.
Your enemy is my friend.
But given your statement, I would concur that war, and especially wars for National Liberation, are brutal for all involved.
That is why we call it war and why it must stop.
Backing a thug and gangster in the fight against the evil ‘Soviet Union’ is the same philosophy we see today in Ukraine and elsewhere — only this time it is a comic in a T-shirt that sells well to the idiots are Americans.
“I certainly do not appreciate comments about Mediterraneans, Balkanoids, and Slavs not being white”
So you say jeelvy yet you went on record in the past saying that Albanians aren’t White.
And let’s not forget how you celebrate kemals genocidal actions towards the White population in Minor Asia,which included Greeks and Armenians.
Now this stance of yours shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who visited your twitter,where you don’t hide your disdain for Greeks or Armenians.
How very pro-White of you.
Well, as a direct descendant of those same Steppe savages who came from “Central Asia”, I would like to remind you that we “savages” not only tamed the horse, but also taught Europeans, for example, to wear pants and use stirrups. Or that the basis of the law of Genghis Khan, the so-called Yasa, which means “law”, was religious tolerance, which was not even dreamed of in Europe at that time with its inquisition, the burning of witches and heretics. And I would remind that those whom the author calls “the eastern shield of Europe” are themselves largely the descendants of the Steppe barbarians. The Poles are the descendants of the Iranoaryan Sarmatians. Bosnians are Slavized descendants of the Pechenegs. Ukrainians are descendants of Pechenegs and Kipchaks. The Bulgarians are descended from a mixture of Türks, Slavs and Thracians. Although the Hungarians do not speak the Türkic language, their ancient elite came precisely from the Türkic world of the Great Steppe, and the name of the Hungarian country is not just connected with the Huns/hunlar. Even the Austrians and Bavarians are partly the descendants of the Germanized Türkic peoples, the Bulgars and Avars, and the Burgundians are the descendants of the Burgud Türks (burkutlar). All of them may well repeat the words of Ataturk “Happy is he who can call himself a Turk.” (Ne mutlu Türküm diyene) After all, what is called the Türkic world is much wider than the Ottoman-Anatolian world, which has more common with Arabs, Persians and Rum, than with old Türkic traditions and beliefs. And it was not so “savage”, as it sometimes is seen from Europe.
Please explain how Burgundians are Turks
Burgundians were Türks, someway relative to the Huns. Later they were Germanized, as Bulgars were Slavized on the Danube/Tuna. Murad Aci/Aciev has written some books to the thema.
I certainly do not appreciate comments about Mediterraneans, Balkanoids, and Slavs not being white on account of our lower average IQs, higher propensity towards criminality, or our women’s shameless materialism.
On the other hand, Eastern Europeans, the same Russians and Ukrainians, also predominantly treat Western Europe and its inhabitants without any respect. Western Europeans are seen there as weak, degenerate, alcoholics, drug addicts, pederasts, mad with tolerance, completely subordinate to the crazy red-green politicians in Brussels, in general, they are degenerates and at the same time hostile. The words Gayrope or Jewrope, used in the Post-Soviet World for Western Europe, speak for themselves.
Here,we agree and both would concur that this is why fascism is growing. Much like the insidious Red-Blue binary thinking in the US, the Balkans have been neglected and demonized. I just didn’t know it was the Jews that did it. You learn something everyday
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