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Haydn’s death mask
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It would be an understatement to say that I completely agree with Robert Wallace’s argument in his article “End Brother Wars in Ukraine.” Finally, a voice of sanity appears from the Dissident Right.
We live in a truly barbaric world; so much so that even many of our brethren seem to have succumbed to the irrational pearl-clutching and beta-cuck emotionalism on the Ukrainian question that one would expect from a soyboy Leftist or a Republican who thinks that Marjorie Taylor Greene is a profound political theorist.
Yes, what is happening in Ukraine is a tragedy. It is a shame that white Ukrainians are dying to support a historically corrupt government led by a Jewish clown that is supported by the likes of the World Economic Forum, NATO, the European Union, and the American Uni-Party, all of which are either consciously or subconsciously dedicated to white extermination. It is also a shame that millions of white Leftists support Black Lives Matter, antifa, and other organizations overtly dedicated to the elimination of the white race. Matters are not helped, however, when members of the Dissident Right engage in the wholesale demonization of all things Russian, which — let’s face it — is just anti-white rhetoric with a Slavic accent.
The ironies abound. I notice that Steve Bannon has joined the virtue-signaling and has changed the theme music of War Room: Pandemic from Chinese rap to Mussorgsky’s The Great Gate of Kiev. There’s just one problem with that: Mussorgsky was Russian, not Ukrainian. In fact, Mussorgsky shared a hometown, St. Petersburg, with one Vladimir Putin.
And speaking of Mr. Putin, he’s never harmed me in any way, but he is opposed to GloboHomoism, anti-whiteism, vulgarity, barbarity, and the perversions of the World Economic Forum, NATO, the European Union, the American Uni-Party, and their anti-white taskmasters, all of whom wish me dead.
You can buy Collin Cleary’s Wagner’s Ring & the Germanic Tradition here.
Remember “Freedom Fries?” Well, Mike DeWine, the corrupt midget who is nominally the Governor of Ohio, has just banned the sale of Russian vodka at all liquor agencies in the Buckeye State. Take that, Vlad! Of course, since there is now neither oil nor fertilizer coming from Russia, Ohio farmers are rapidly reducing the acreage they will plant this spring, thereby exacerbating the impending food crisis. Incidentally, Vlad just today announced that he is forbidding the export of grain to the West until June 15. Advantage Vlad. Perhaps we should change the name of Russian Roulette to Freedom Roulette.
Of course, our GloboHomo rulers never pass up an opportunity to erase the white race’s unmatched artistic heritage. The great conductor Valerii Gergiev and the magnificent soprano Anna Netrebko have been banished from the Metropolitan Opera House for the crime of wrongthink, as the expression of any support for Putin is — if not another holocaust — at least another holodomor.
But let us go back to Vienna on May 24, 1809. Napoleon’s forces had occupied Vienna. Joseph Haydn was lying on his deathbed, and the following scene took place as described in a letter by a witness:
Three days before Haydn’s death, . . . in the afternoon after 2 o’clock, just as Haydn was having his afternoon nap, a French officer of the Hussars came to make his acquaintance. Haydn received him, spoke to him about music and especially about The Creation and was so lively that the officer sang to him the Aria, “Mit Würde [sic] und Hoheit angethan,” with the Italian text. The officer sang in such a manly way, with such sublimity, and with such truth of expression and genuine feeling for music that Haydn could not hold back tears of joy and not only told the singer but afterwards other people that he could altogether recall no voice and no song that had given him so much and such real pleasure. After half-an-hour the officer got on his horse and — rode off to fight the enemy. He left his address which (as far as one can tell) reads: “Sulimy, Captain des Hussards.” Let us hope this noble gentleman learns that it was he to whom Haydn owed his last musical pleasure, for after that he did not hear a single note . . .[1]
Captain Sulimy — that was mighty white of you.
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[1] H. C. Robbins Landon, Haydn: Chronicle and Works, Vol. V, p. 397.
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Good God in Heaven, bless you for this essay. I was starting to feel like I was taking crazy pills.
The compliment is highly appreciated, comrade. Thank you, Quintilian. Russian civilization is full of wonders and it is a great nation. Let’s hope for a swift conclusion to this madness.
>Let’s hope for a swift conclusion to this madness
A swift conclusion? That is such an utterly ridiculous thing to bring up, even in passing.
Because it is literally impossible now, regardless of any kind of outcome imaginable for this war. How could you possibly not see this? I genuinely wonder because from where I’m standing, this much at least is clear as day, regardless of my personal bias on the topic.
Nevermind the inevitable geopolitical implications, all of which point to what I’m saying. It is no exaggeration to propose that no matter how much the anti-Russia sentiment will taper off because of more imminent concerns such as another financial crisis, more pandemic madness, you name it really – this has become blood memory for all Europeans at this point. The only exception I can think of off the top of my head are the serbs.
Pity it all you want, arguably rightfully so or not. The chances of it changing within our lifetimes are null and operating on anything less than this assumption is fantasy.
Relax. I never said I expected a swift conclusion. Read my article. Hoping for one is hardly “ridiculous.”
>I never said I expected a swift conclusion. Read my article.
I was going to until I checked out the comments section. Gave me more than enough of a rough idea about your stance in all this.
American right wingers seem hellbent on setting new world records for Russia apologetics mental gymnastics every other day now, and I have no desire to refute them any longer. On the contrary, I sincerely hope you keep doubling down so the rift between americans and Europeans can only grow further, as it is essential moving forward.
>Hoping for one is hardly “ridiculous.”
It absolutely is since it boils down to nothing but yet more Russia apologetics, nevermind the fact that it has zero chances whatsoever of happening. It’s on par with claiming the Ukrainians would’ve welcomed their oppressors with open arms had it not been for american meddling. Again, you’re completely detached from both the Ukrainians’ particular struggle, as well as the broader Europeans’ collective consciousness. And you’re still in complete denial about the implications this is going to have for our futures. Or at least that’s the most charitable way I can put it.
I’m the director of this community. Do you expect me to attack and tear down the people I’m tasked to bring together? I have no inclination for anything but respect for our people. They’re great. And where does hostility with fellow believers get you exactly?
I’ve stood for the best achievable outcome for both camps. I admire Ukrainian patriots fighting invasion and understand why people take Russia’s side. But my highest obligation is service to this community and our race as a whole. I’ve tried and done well according to most.
If you want to write one better than mine, give it a shot. We’d be glad to publish a good article from your perspective.
>I’ve stood for the best achievable outcome for both camps. I admire Ukrainian patriots fighting invasion and understand why people take Russia’s side. But my highest obligation is service to this community and our race as a whole. I’ve tried and done well according to most.
When you stand for everything you stand for nothing really and you end up in a situation where like Razvan said, white nationalism turns into meaningless hogwash. Some infighting is bad, other is nothing less than essential. What you might see as an asshole intentionally trying to sow discord I see as a necessity moving forward. The pro-Russia camp firmly overlaps with the american populist right, truly the gift that keep on giving.
>If you want to write one better than mine, give it a shot. We’d be glad to publish a good article from your perspective.
Believe me, I would if I could. For one thing, I’m nowhere near well read enough to contribute in a meaningful sense, but I still think I have my finger on the pulse more than enough that I’m entitled to expressing my opinion just as much as you are to tell me to fuck off. Furthermore, English is my second language and writing has been nothing less than another bane of my existence for as long as I can remember. Even redacting these comments takes more time than I’d like to admit.
What a beautiful story. We never know who we touch profoundly with our small compassionate gestures and kindness, or when.
A friend of mine in England had made internet (Twitter?) friends with some ladies, married with kids, in Ukraine, some years back. Now, he and I had recently learned of their difficulties with bombs, etc., so we sent them money for train fare. So far, 5 women –mothers and aunties — plus 4 kids, got out to the border and into Poland. Three weeks ago, I had no idea I would be involved in such an activity. Keep your eyes and heart open.
“Captain Sulimy — that was mighty white of you.”
It was.
We want more of this — endless generations of it.
Putin is obviously anti-white. He promotes non-white immigration to Russia, Syrians joining the Russians to kill white Ukrainians and allows Belarus to send non-white immigrants to white countries. I support white Russians but what Putin is doing in Russia does not benefit the white race or white Russians. How exactly does the Russian invasion of Ukraine help the white race? I’m sure I’ll get some “4d chess” answers.
Neither Putin nor Zelensky is worthy of support by white preservationists. Indeed, is there any leader on Earth who supports white preservation? Perhaps Bolsanaro? The only correct WN stance on this Ukraine disaster is to seek to end it ASAP, and to provide humanitarian aid to displaced whites.
Is there any possibility that Putin and the Russians might be driven by their coming international isolation into becoming more prowhite? I simply don’t know enough about the countries over there.
You write “white Ukrainians are dying to support a historically corrupt government led by a Jewish clown”.
That is sheer and callous propaganda.
They are dying fighting the invader of their lands because it invaded, not for some Jew actor — you know that right?
They also remember, if you won’t, that (((Russians))) did a holocaust on their people (a Holocaust that actually happened). There is a reason that the Germans were welcomed as liberators in Ukraine — because they were!
Finally I would point out that Puty-poot says he is killing them to free them from “Nazis” — he doesn’t name the Jew as you do, how interesting, eh? AND he is a pillar of support for the Jew’s Holy-Hoax, which is a primary weapon in the genocide of the white race.
The Jews and Putin are two factions of evil.
The Ukrainians fighting to defend their folk and land are the good guys, and that includes the Azov “Not-sees” like it or not.
Russian forces already turning to mass-murder, if that doesn’t work it may be weapons of mass destruction — are you down with that or is there some point where you would admit you were wrong?
“They also remember, if you won’t, that (((Russians))) did a holocaust on their people (a Holocaust that actually happened). There is a reason that the Germans were welcomed as liberators in Ukraine — because they were!”
After we demonize the (((Russians))), the (((Americans))) are next, and the Anglosphere in general, especially the British nations alias (((the Eternal Anglo))), etc.
If we start with the principle that when Jews do a crime the Whites among whom they dwelled are to blame, we will condemn most White nations, including the biggest.
It is not profitable for our race to reason in that way.
If the Holodomor is a special case, the right way to deal with it would have been to thrash it out in international fora, pressing for the Holodomor to be recognized as a genocide. But the Ukrainians didn’t do that, because Jews don’t want them to.
Is this the right way to behave — submitting to Jews, choking down one’s grief and rage if the Jews say so, and instead cultivating a culture of hatred against fellow Whites?
It is not profitable for our race to speak and act in that way.
Well-intentioned discussion, reconciliation among White brothers, and acceptance of peace offerings like Putin’s economic sweetheart deal for the Ukraine — this is the better way.
We should be looking to the common interests of our race and muting the conflict between our nations whenever we can. This would be good for us.
We should not demonize White nations at all. Russia is not an exception to that rule.
Russians did the Holodomor. I proved this here on CC with names.
The brains, the army, the interior troops, the executioners were all Russians.
The fall guys were indeed diverse and were executed shortly after taking the blame. Russian style. Tortures, kids raped in front of parents, and public humiliation, before the Russian chief executioner Blochin put a bullet in the back of the head. Good lesson, unfortunately less understood of what Russia’s friends are getting after their usefulness expired.
By the way, the Bolsheviks won with the help from America, due to Warren G Harding that thought it would be “humanitarian” to feed the Red army against Ukrainians, and Poles. I see that this kind of poor judgement haven’t disapeared, unfortunately.
Maybe you believe the fact that the ((())), less than 1% of total population, had a paranormal power that made the Ukrainians to eat their relatives and suicide themselves.
No one is “demonising” Russia by telling the truth and the horrors commited by so many Russians. Yesterday like today. Today the Russian psychopath Putin is leveling Ukrainian cities, exactly as he did in Syria, and you are taking sides with an war criminal.
Yet, you can be proud. You are in a glorious line of intellectuals that spinned the truth on Russia’s behalf. You are in line with the NKVD moll Ernest Hemingway, the util idiot Theodor Dreiser, and Albert Einstein (the last one is beyond any description).
Congatulations! You blew away whatever meaning “white nationalist” have had. Frankly it’s all broken and beyond repair.
Putin is not the worst challenge or case the Russians can produce. He’s more like a Schleicher or Hindenburg than a Hitler or even a Stalin.
The Russians have to treat their national pathologies or be isolated for ever. They had too many chances to do the right thing but defaulted to Ivan IV, every damn time.
The new tsar being more crazy than the one before him. They would be the butt of the jokes if the West wouldn’t be suddenly engulfed by mercy and give them fresh technology so they can genocide everyone around. I have a long list with such merciful imbeciles. Harding, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Nixon, Schroeder, Merkel. And yes, the imbecile Kurt von Schleicher too, that you remind him. But also Ford, Studebaker, Fiat because Gulag had to be filled somehow.
Stop abetting these psychopaths in Moscow because they will finally blow up the planet in their delirium of grandeur.
Schleicher was a very interesting fellow. The last Chancellor of the Weimar Republic. Commander of the Black Reichswehr, the guy who had the Panzer officers train in Kazan’s Soviet Tank School.
Exactly. He also gave German technology to the Russians. Uncle Adi solved the problem with such an interesting “humanitarian”. After the soviet-spartakist gimmicks, guess uncle Adi was befuddled how an officer and nobleman can be so stupid.
The Geheim Staatspolizei surely had years of work to find out how many German officers from Kazan Higher Tank Command School had become soviet spies, or what the German engineers gave to the Russians.
The battle of Brody has many, many secrets never to be uncovered as Vova sealed the archives again. Yet it’s speaking so many curious things in total dissonance with the current narrative.
I agree with you that white nations must reconcile and work together for the 14 words (and actually feel your pain that it is so hard to accomplish that it seems).
However I believe it is necessary to stop lying and take responsibility for the past or it won’t work out.
Hence our advice to Putin was to:
Debunk the Holy-hoax
Admit operation Barbarossa was a pre-emption of a prepared Russian attack meant to subjugate all of Europe under the USSR and the Germans and their allies saved half of Europe from that hell.
Admit to Russian role in the Holodomor and instead of condescending to Ukrainians sincerely try to make amends for this unforgivable crime.
Admit that while 90+ percent of held POW by Germans survived, 90+ percent held POW by Russians were deliberately killed.
Admit that while German soldier rapists were tried and shot, raping Russians, whipped up by the Jew hero Ilya Ehrenburg were treated, as Solzhenitzen wrote, as if raping German women, grandma’s and girls was “practically a mark of military distinction”.
Name the Jew, vow loyalty to the white race, and seek alliance with white nationalists.
Of course he “couldn’t do that”, just like the different white nations “can’t get along”, or that white people “can’t defeat the Jew” parasite and regain our freedom.
…Except he could, he could simply have done that (and we can do all those other things too and more!).
And no matter how “stupid” and “naïve” our advice may have seemed before the event, we will all see, maybe even including Valdimir himself, that not only could he have stopped lying, come clean, and made amends and common cause with the rest of the white race — it would have been easier too.
So I agree with you that we must stop demonizing our white nations, but I believe it is inflexibly necessary that in order to come together, in order to win an eternal white Reich of freedom, we must stop lying, admit our sins and make amends, and we probably have to have the guts to NAME the common enemy so we can fight it together.
Russian has a saying about things “lost in the oblivion of time”, but their crimes and their lies are still hurting the rest of us (and themselves), to this day — and their fabrication and support of the HolyHoax is a main weapon in our genocide.
The have to stop lying, make amends for their crimes against the white race, and join the fight against our traitors and the Jew!
>The have to stop lying, make amends for their crimes against the white race, and join the fight against our traitors and the Jew!
Try tactfully introducing Russian expats to Solzhenitsyn’s 100 years together and tell us how well it goes. Because I have done this with my best Russian friend, who’s neither a Putin bootlicker, nor a fully indoctrinated soviet relic boomer. His retort? Solzhenitsyn exaggerated some things therefore he’s not going to bother. In reality, he’s aware of my racial views so he pretty much discredits most anything I have to say on political matters anymore.
Suffice to say I try to pick my battles so I stopped holding out any hope in this regard. While I still value our friendship since he’s a quality individual of sound mind and European stock, politics and this war in particular is practically a no-go zone. And if the time ever came when I had to turn my weapons against him because the situation calls for it, I will do it and still be able to sleep very soundly at night.
Russians are stuck in their own collective delusions in the same way the q dimwits are too far gone down the jonesian rabbit hole to envision any kind of redemption for the most part. While I acknowledge that the former is intrinsic to most any kind of nationalism, my point still stands. As for the latter, it is strictly my assessment as an outsider and entirely americans’ own business so I care as little about its accuracy as I do for how it will evolve, one way or the other. I will still posit though that I’m not completely off the mark by any means.
“…tactfully introducing…” “…picking battles…” those who “are too far down” rabbit holes.
I think we have suffered some similar grief in our efforts for our folk.
Knowing truth though you have to keep going. Once you know you cannot un-know without dying inside.
You cannot un-see that flying saucer doing 100 gees, or forget that NDE, or turn your back on Cosmic truth.
The ones who don’t know have it easier, they surely feel but don’t know that their divinity is dying.
But you would know.
In the end truth will win.
Even if they “win” and cement their Orwellian tyranny then the Cosmic truth will lace its boots and stomp them out — like Uncle Adolf feared if National Socialism lost to the Jews: Human progress *has* gone into reverse and *is* headed to the Earth falling lifeless through the void.
That is no victory for the living and would be darn disappointment to the creator I’m sure.
We who know and bear truth, against all adversity, we are going to prevent that dead end and resume the upward path.
I salute you and all who know and keep going.
Serve the life force.
Hail Victory.
Well said, sir! Although it must be conceded that it is practically extremely difficult to persuade and convince Putin into admitting his big errors in taking on the history and the present, and starting doing the truly right and nationalist things for the paramount cause White survival and revival, I palpably felt your lofty ideals and spirit. Yes indeed, once the truth is known by us, it cannot be unknown, and the cosmic truth and the organic life force will prevail in the end. It is just incumbent on us to keep trying our utmost to reach our ultimate victory, with fortitude, mettle, tenacity, resilience, wisdom, and gumption. With respect and salute from a staunch and ardent National Socialist and advocate of White Nationalism from East Asia.
If we Whites don’t form an effective in-group we’re stupid and we’ll die.
There is nothing that we have, that we have had, or that we ever could have, that cannot be lost through mere unwillingness to reconcile.
Joe you are so right.
We need an in group, but who, how?
Uncle Adolf said he was “not the one”, but looking around he didn’t see the one so he thought he’d better do what he could in the mean time.
At the end of a long road of impotent frustration and inability to save our people I finally gave in to what should have been obvious if I wasn’t so “dumb”: Just get up and go do what you can with what you’ve got and who you are — in that “mean time”.
Uncle Adolf said to survive to fight for “the man who comes”.
When he comes he will find we few and whoever has joined us.
(And you and whoever joins you).
So let’s all start or find a little in-group that does something right, something good for our folk — then join or be the better man or men — live to fight for he who comes.
Let yourself feel that the 14 word are already happening, are a done deal already just working out its detail.
Stick to the truth, do what you can do that is good, trust yourself, and when you are sure you have found them/him join the better man/men.
Just live, become, let it happen naturally, and it will happen.
We will win.
I forgot to add that we don’t need a big top down detailed plan.
We just need to know what we want, and let the Cosmos know we really really want it, how it would feel to have it, then work wisely with what the flow of details it then will send us.
Seriously.
Carlin said “There is a club (that rules the world), and you are not in it!”
Too true, that is the Cancer club, the cancer on Creation.
There is a bigger and far more bad-ass club though, once you understand how it works, it is the Club of the Co-Creators of the Healthy Body of Creation. The club of the All if you prefer.
You were born into that, you have racial membership in that, you don’t need any priest or cancer-god’s blessing, you just have to wake up and reclaim, and then exercise your creative power.
“Miracles only we can do”, remember that? True.
Nietzsche points to a rope over an abyss.
“Become who you are!”
Co-creator.
True!
From my understanding of history, the Germans were heavily punished after World War One. Demonized, sanctioned, starved, belittled, all these things will make a people ripe for any type of leader. Even an unknown as Hitler. Biden brags, BRAGS, that he’s devalued the ruble. How did it get to be so easy to hate people so much that you have no qualms slowly doing to the Russians economically what Putin is doing to the Ukrainians quickly with bombs?
Vova! Not Vlad!
>And speaking of Mr. Putin, he’s never harmed me in any way, but he is opposed to GloboHomoism, anti-whiteism, vulgarity, barbarity, and the perversions of the World Economic Forum, NATO, the European Union, the American Uni-Party, and their anti-white taskmasters, all of whom wish me dead.
Here we go again, another Russia apologist olympian and the absolutely ludicrous propositions about Putin being the misunderstood savior of the white race and christendom, or at least an agent pushing in that direction in any meaningful sense whatsoever.
Another very sorry attempt at reframing this conflict so as to take away from the main point of contention, which is Russia’s agency and subsequent guilt in all this.
I’m afraid you’re not fooling anyone but those subjected to standard american education. If what you perceive as the impeccable mearsheimerian logic is the hill you wish to die on, go ahead. You’re not going to find much of an audience for it, at least not among Europeans.
This impeccable 700 words article is, as the late and great Stephan Molyneux would put it, not an argument. But I will briefly address it nonetheless. As tragic as the (arguably over the top) demonization of both Russians and Russia might be, it is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things when compared to the implications this war is going to have for Europe’s future.
Personally, I find pushing a pro-European view to be enough of an insurmountable task as is and have no desire to complicate it any further by layering yet more revisionism into it unless it is something I deem to be essential. Which the Russia Question is not. And please don’t come at me with any more moral arguments. No interest in refuting them, particularly when they come from americans.
It is very convenient to hold anything resembling a pro-Russia stance when you’re an ocean away from the bodies piling up. But you’ll have to bite your tongue on this one for the rest of your life if you wish to be palatable to whichever remnants of functional individuals are still left among the mass of zombies out there. Well maybe not if you’re addressing americans, but that is of no concern to me.
Putin’s assault on Ukraine is morally unjustifiable, but the globalist consensus sees a great opportunity if he, and Russia, can be utterly humiliated. The imposition of the neo-liberal dispensation of predatory capitalism and what we now call ‘woke’ mores is the avowed intention of these people. Orthodox Christianity must discredited and its mission refocused on minority causes such as transgenderism. The demographics of Russia (and Ukraine) should be ‘improved’ with sub-Saharan Africans, (preferably Islamic). And perhaps the unwieldy territory of the Russian Federation should be partitioned into smaller entities prior to EU or NATO accession. For the sake of the brave people of Ukraine and for the future of Europe as a white-majority continent, let us hope for a just and prompt peace accord.
>Orthodox Christianity must discredited and its mission refocused on minority causes such as transgenderism.
Orthodoxy has been discredited already no tranny acceptance needed, and I say this as a born and raised Orthodox. The fact that one of the most prominent orthobros account on Twitter is black is yet more proof of how well your american fantasies map on to the on the ground reality.
This video says it all basically https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1503824901060313093
I don’t see anyone here offering any solution to the Donbass problem, therefore I find the discussion entirely irrelevant and uninteresting.
The U.S. solution to Donbass problem was the Operation Storm 2.0 (See war in Croatia 1995) hence the Russian pre-emptive strike. Also the U.S. won’t allow for any partition or confederacy, and that will all but ensure protracted war. See similar American influence on the Bosnian Muslims, to reject the peace agreement, and ultimately pushed Bosnia into the three-way war. The long war at the Russian borders is a win-win solution for the U.S. . The complete destruction of the Ukraine is acceptable cost for the Russians to be brought to their knees, like in the 1991.
How about a peace settlement that at least incorporates the following points?
– Russian forces to withdraw.
– Land corridor to Crimea to be ceded to Russia.
– Guarantees to Russian minorities in Ukraine.
– Ukraine to be neutral, not to join NATO or ‘Union State’
Has been tried. Doesn’t work.
Has the last point actually been tried? What are the alternatives? The complete razing of Ukraine and installation of a Lukashenko/Kadyrov style puppet regime? Or the outbreak of World War Three?
A new treaty is only a respite for Russia. The problem is the forced Russification, and colonization practiced by Russia. Every time there is a reason to invade or exterminate peoples that are “enclaves”, “not real”, “remnants” – Russian propaganda might be very creative when referring to the neighbors. You are not a good Christian, you are not a Communist, “not really a people”, you are a nationalist, you are ‘right’, you are ‘left’, you are nationalist, NATO, EU, and you are … you are NAZI.
Now they are up with “Russian minority rights” – meaning if the Russian colonists don’t own everything and don’t lead everything then they are “oppressed”.
You have no clue how things were in the former republics, don’t you? Usually the rights of the Russian minority looked like this: a morbidly obese Russian as chief of the kolkhoz, the killers and rapists that made the Red Army, the interior troops, and Militia versus the vast majority of non-Russian serfs (you know they were not allowed to leave the kolkhoz for no reason other than to die for Russia). That’s Russian minority rights. Anything else is “oppression”. Any other language than Russian is non-human, (as in the language of the animals).
When the Russians talked last time about forced-Ukrainization, the next step was forced collectivization of agriculture, total economic dependence on Russia, Holodomor, and all the young men sent to die in the countless Russian wars at huge distance from their parents village.
The American nationalists and patriots should learn these tactics very well, because importing huge masses of peoples from other place is the prelude for a “time of troubles”. Russia knows all to well how to use this. And don’t hope they will tolerate for too long a peaceful separation.
What is in that for Ukraine?
I wonder though if the real path to peace might be the opposite of disarming Ukraine.
If Russian Federation is violent and hostile (and that seems obviously true), then being weak is an invitation to the next attack.
What about guaranteeing Russian minorities EQUAL rights as anybody else (not minority privileges as we know from the blacks and Jews that minority privileges are a disaster)?
Promise not to attack Russian Federation but on the other hand arm Ukraine to the teeth and treaty to fight side by side with her if the RF should dare to attack again.
Isn’t that the way to deal with a bully: Show him that you won’t start it but you will damn sure finish him if he does?
Russians are our people, but Putin is not our friend. He had a chance to become a champion of White Europe, yet he chose to be another Slavic gangster.
Not ‘white’ enough though. The good number, if not all, of the Western Rightist who are anti-Russians are subconsciously picking the side from the Liberal-Democracy stand. The same type of volunteers whe were joining Croatian, Bosnian and the Kosovo Albanian side against the Serbs during the Balkan wars, were there to ‘protect’ the Pro-western fledgling democracies. AZOV made their bones there fighting on the side of Croatia. If you want to be honest Saddam and Milosevic were first one to stand up to the NW Liberal order, and Global Imperialism. Putin is doing the same. So, you can’t be on the side of Imperialists and be a pro Nation-States and Nationalism.
You seem to only be opposed to American imperialism, but are willing to endlessly apologize for the Russian one. If you claim to be pro-nation states and pro-nationalism, you should support Ukrainians to have the same.
Nation states could have disputes and even wars, but they would be regional and localised. If the U.S.\NATO didn’t have a “player”(Ukraine) the conflict wouldn’t even happen. Even though the countries have suvergnity and they should decide the paths, they aren’t islands. They border other countries with different interests and concerns. This was deliberate encroachment on the sphere of the interest of the powerful neighbor and Ukraine leadership is only one to blame for bringing calamity to their nation.
We saw clearly the reaction of the U.S. during the Cuban Missile crisis, when their sphere of interest was endangered and they were facing existential threat.
Ukrainians don’t want to live under Kremlin rule, it has nothing to do with US or NATO. Even now, it’s Ukrainians themselves who are fighting off the Russian invasion, without American help. (except for arms and sanctions)
Also, Cuba is a great example of where the US gov had to accept to live with a hostile regime in its neighborhood and so should Russia. Nuclear warheads in Cuba were not acceptable, but NATO nukes are only present in the old NATO countries (so not even in Poland or Baltics, let alone Ukraine).
Hostility to Russia goes back over a thousand years, to its conversion to Byzantine Orthodox Christianity instead of submitting to the authority of the Roman Pontiff. The purity-spiraling of some white nationalists makes them easy pickings for Russophobes sowing their wares. White Americans and white Slavic Russians are the natural hegemons of their respective parts of the globe, and if they had become friends and allies (which was beginning to happen in the 19th century) instead of enemies, the history of the world would have been rather different. In any case there is no legitimate American interest in supporting the absolute quagmire of corruption and failure that is the modern Ukraine. And the white innocent children of Donetsk and Luhansk lie dead because of a Jewish-controlled puppet government’s crimes. And Jewish western media orchestrate more Russia-hate. Those who claim to care about White nationalism, and White European survival, who parrot the rabid hatred of the Jews for Russia are doing the work of the enemies of Europe – indeed, the work of the enemies of the Good and the Beautiful.
Those Ukrainian men from a supposed “absolute quagmire of corruption and failure” have so far taken out five Russian generals.
Also, I love that you condemn deaths of Russian kids in Donets, but you’re perfectly fine with Ukrainian ones getting massacred in mass shelling or by Putin’s Arab fighters.
Really?! Natural hegemons at their mamma’s homes. It only remains to say that Putin is the last archon fighting the dark forces of West.
No they are not. And it has nothing to do with the flavor of levantine sickness. It has to do with the Russian princes and tsars siding with the mongols against West. Since Alexandr “Nevsky”.
And once Ukrainians fall under the Western fold it will be a matter of time before their identity will be stripped, all your ‘freedom fighters will be in jail and it will be a crime if you object to the Drag-Queen reading hour. Here is a great discussion: https://www.amren.com/podcasts/2022/03/what-makes-a-nation/
One of the standard “Made in Moscow” talking points that circulates in our circles is that Ukraine would be inevitably ruined if it joined the EU and NATO. If you repeat that argument, you are painting yourself into a rhetorical corner.
If you know anything about the Ukrainian nationalist movement—its size, its organization, its seriousness—you must conclude that Ukraine is the LEAST likely country in Europe to be ruined by NATO and the EU and the country MOST likely to push back against the West, which would strengthen the resistance of countries like Poland and Hungary.
Which means that if Ukrainians are doomed to failure, what chance do we have? What chance does Patriotic Alternative have, if Svoboda and National Corps and Azov are doomed to failure?
If you think Ukrainian nationalists are doomed to fail, then in your heart of hearts, you must think you are doomed to fail as well.
Which leads to the obvious question: If you believe our struggle is doomed, what are you in this for?
Ukrainians fight, and it must be respected, and even admired.
But my heart bleeds when I see them led by a Zionist joke. This bloodshed is for nothing if the end result does not clear the country from the murderous cult of Zionism. The same applies to Russia. If the zionist configuration remains all lives are lost in vain, and even worse, West will be crippled, Ukraine horribly damaged and finally Russia will eventually fall to the greedy Zionists, like Germany before Mr. Adolf.
If the both nations knew who is the only real enemy, then, yes, then, we could have a bright future. White Future. There could be unheard well being from Lissabon to Vladivostok, we could save the planet, we are the only ones willing and able to do that, the Zionists are so greedy they cannot do it, they do not want to do it, they do not see the beauty, they see beauty in anything only if it can be bought.
But first, so help me God, stop killing each other, my brothers and sisters.
“If you think Ukrainian nationalists are doomed to fail, then in your heart of hearts, you must think you are doomed to fail as well.”
In your excellent talk, you pointed out that late in the life of the Soviet Union Russians regained some control of their state and culture. This was on the theme of why Russians should be condemned for the crimes of Bolshevism, and why a Russian kind of state, with imperial characteristics, is bad and doomed.
What you said about Russians regaining some control of their state in the late days of the Soviet Union is true. This truth is capable of carrying different interpretations from those you gave it.
First, what the Russians did, in making the late Soviet Union more Russian and less Jewish, is impressive. We’re not doing that, or anything like it. Whether we live in a big, American style state or a small, compact, relatively homogeneous state, one and all we succumb to the poz, becoming more Jewish in culture and less of what we should be.
As I see it, this suggests that Russian culture is valuable from the point of view of White survival. We don’t know what makes Russian culture so good, but the results are there, so the roots of this success should be studied with attention and admiration, and imitated when possible.
The irredeemable badness and inevitable failure of the empire-building kind of White people, whether Russian or British, does not follow from this line of thought. We don’t really know what kinds of states contain and nurture the kind of White men capable of regaining control of our cultures and our genetic future. (Small, homogeneous states look good to me, but something else may be more important, and we don’t already know what it would be.)
I think the Russification and downfall of the Jewish Bolshevik Soviet Union suggests that White people, genetically, don’t like tyranny. Oriental despotism (even with Bolshevik characteristics) does seem to suit Orientals; the Communist regimes didn’t collapse in the lands of the yellow man. But Communism did collapse where White men lived, once we regained enough the power to choose our own cultures. The paradise of the Jews, full of tightly concentrated power and wealth, full of snitches and political denunciations, and with strict controls on what may be thought and said, comes undone when a White population asserts itself. We don’t like that stuff.
From this point of view, our race is in the most terrible danger genetically. Adulterate our genes and all is lost.
But we are not in any long term danger politically. We don’t even need a new political theory (though it would be nice to have one). A racial theory is enough: if we Whites regain control of our cultures (as we must, or we’ll die), we’ll have pleasant cultures and relatively free politics. All the schemes of our own tyrants will eventually be shipwrecked on our genetically given nature.
We can do this. We’ve proved that we can do this. We don’t know how to do it again, and that’s a problem. But lacking a theory of why our race is doomed that doesn’t also imply that we should not have gotten out from under Jewish Bolshevism, you can’t say we are doomed.
So no, thinking that it would be a disaster for Ukrainians to be speared by the trident of the North Atlantic Treaty Organizations, the European Union and “color revolutions” (under the code-name of “democratization”) does not entail the belief that other White nations are doomed or the White race is doomed.
From my point of view, which I would call “soft racial determinism,” the future looks good unless we succumb to racial and cultural adulteration.
In that good future, we will still have enemies trying to pollute us to death, genetically and culturally. That threat has to be taken seriously.
But the crimes of our past will have no power over us. We will mourn our dead appropriately, and the Jewish lobby will have no power to command us not to. When we visit the graves, the ghosts of those who came before us will not demand that we honor them by killing each other.
Ukraine has a better chance in Russia’s sphere. That doesn’t mean we are doomed and should give up.
I spent some time in Ukraine recently. The youth is well on their way to being pozzed. Multiracial ads are displayed, despite of low wages they already suffer from immigration from Central Asia and the Middle East. Imagine when wages rise even 50%. The government and oligarchs are Jewish.
The nationalist movement is serious about the battle versus Russia. That’s because it enjoys moral license to do so and because it’s a physical, straightforward battle. Once the youth are programmed with different morals and the battle becomes cultural and spiritual, it’s a different story. Western nationalists were also very serious when it came to fighting in WW2, for example.
Who is whose useful idiot — the nationalists or ZOG?
“If you know anything about the Ukrainian nationalist movement—its size, its organization, its seriousness”
Last time I checked, these guys were an insignificant party in parliament. Their only achievement was to top the absentee list of MPs. I vaguely remember that they didn’t make it in the last elections. They can’t get the babushki in their home village to vote for them.
Azov etc. are financed by a Jewish oligarch.
These are are not serious people.
“If you believe our struggle is doomed, what are you in this for?”
That’s a very American take on life, being in something for the results. We do politics for the same reason that dogs bark and birds fly. We are political animals. We are a nation of kshatriya character. We want to live an authentic life.
Yes, we are doomed. It’s the Kali Yuga after all. Or the Sun will explode one day and swallow the Earth. Whatever.
But we won’t go down without a fight, because Hell no, we are not like that.
Is that a good enough reason for you?
Electoral success is not the sole metric of seriousness or organization. But even Svoboda’s 2.15% of the vote in 2019, which was matched by Right Sector as well, is far more than any comparable nationalist groups poll in, say, the United States. So my point stands.
If you believe you are doomed, then you should get out of the way of people who actually think that victory is possible. Sure, do your duty. But keep your pessimism to yourself.
I am serious about it and that’s the reason I will be outspoken in criticizing open embrace of NS and especially display of the insignias and flags from the WW2 – as it’s hurting our cause. The agreement will be struck between the warring factions, and one of the demands will be distancing Ukrainan military from the extremists. They don’t have a future, regardless who wins.
Man, I have a soft spot for Serbs (dear friends in childhood), but you are terribly wrong. You are right to decry the civilian victims of NATO bombings (everybody thinks that). But multiply those numbers by 10, or 100 and you’ll have a picture of what is happening this very moment.
You say that Russia is entitled to bomb civilians because otherwise they will become gays. That’s a performance. Not paralleled in the history of Europe by any Grand Inquisitor. It remains to accuse an entire people of witchcraft and drop a nuke to save their souls from the gay menace.
You are simply a victim of the Russian propaganda. Look, it is just like this:
Nothing to be sorry about Holodomor, because “Ukrainians are guilty of Nazism” for the Russian ears, and “Ukrainians are becoming gay” for international ears. While the Russians are bombing hospitals. A tragedy, but what can poor Vova do? Their choice.
See? It is circular reasoning exculpating one of the most horrendous crimes in the history of humanity. A crime perpetrated by Russians. Do you think that anyone cares or even knows about trannies, when what the Russians did is so much more present?
Compare the map of Ukraine depopulation during 1932-1933 with the map of the so called Russian minority in Ukraine. You should understand.
It’s insane. And it is insane also due to the horrible mode the Russians used your people, including during the nineties. You are not defending Serbia. You are defending a ruthless killer and manipulator.
I hope you will allow me to go offtopic because I take some issue with the tone of your ending there. I wholeheartedly agree with your points to say the least but that question, when taken completely out of context, stuck in my mind and rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
>If you believe our struggle is doomed
How is this not an accurate assessment though? Nothing is certain but it is still the most likely scenario for the time being, overwhelmingly so. Repeating don’t blackpill as a mantra of sorts doesn’t do anything in the face of immediate reality. And the idea that even if we don’t live to see better days our children might doesn’t strike me as much of a reassurance either. Entropy is a bitch and the walls are closing in already in far too many ways. I don’t see any concrete reason to think that our children might have a better shot at winning this than we currently do, on the contrary.
For some brief background, I got into politics once the migrant crisis started and all my prior misguided discontent with our predicament started to click into place. My only real life acquaintance who followed a similar evolution has repeatedly echoed my remarks about how hopeless it all seems to the point where we can practically finish each other’s sentences. Among many things, of note is how yet another Eastern European country which is supposed to be marginally better than the West has in reality more than caught up to its illnesses already, no real pushback in sight. It’s what led us to the AR which we perceived to be a much more probable vehicle for fundamental change rather than our country’s brand of nationalism riddled with far too many shortcomings to put it nicely. We both still maintain that if real salvation is going to come from anywhere, it’s going to have to take the form of some sort of paneuropeanism, ideally one which doesn’t come at the expense of national identities.
I’ve heard some say that pre 2016 the prospects seemed even more bleak and that we’re well on our way towards collective awakening and subsequent change. I can’t even imagine what it was like before, I’m so fucking tired of all the winning that has transpired since. Some notable exceptions like the flemish movement notwithstanding, it seems to be one step forward five backwards all the while we keep shifting timelines towards increasingly impossible logistics.
>what are you in this for?
What other choice is there but to fight until the bitter end in every single way one can? If I could unsee race, feminism and everything that comes with the territory in this circle I probably would since it’s weighed on my psyche far too much already. Ironically enough, it ended up setting me back more than anything else from what I perceive to be the minimum of one’s duty which is raising a family.
As far as what I wanted to get out of this, it was a deep sense of a functional community, nothing more and nothing less. However even that seems increasingly impossible. And unfortunately I’m still in no position to give much in return. I’m trying and will keep doing so until literally the day I die. I crawled out of terminally suicidal NEETdom already but I’m still a long ways off from the white picket fence, heavens know if I’ll ever actually get it. I even intentionally set out on a career path which levies my strengths while allowing for what I see as maximal real world impact. And yet the chances of it ever making a noticeable dent in anything are abysmal.
Anyway thanks for indulging my rant. Again nothing against your post Greg, just that I interpreted that question as some kind of personal condemnation I guess.
Thank you. Very appreciated this rant and can relate to it in many ways. Luckily, I was able to crawl out of a similar negative state and am expanding my growing family.
Besides fighting until the bitter end, my hope is sub-national communities. I think we have very little chance of retaking our states and undoing the damage on a mass scale.
I also wish we could find more community building events rather than endless pontification. Book clubs, exercise, education, business groups, etc.
Russians are our allies and friends, but Putin is not, as many have pointed out. Putin is not a ‘based trad defender of White Europe’, he is quite the opposite, leading a multiracial and multiethnic Eurasian empire whose goal is the destabilization of the West. While we are ruled by an oppressive regime which despises us, the destruction of EU does not help Europeans, quite the opposite. I am firmly of the belief that the EU can be a positive force in the future. Obviously it will not become a White empire overnight, but if the metapolitical fight can work in the US, why couldn’t it apply to the EU as well? After all, we are not voting for our cause, we are changing minds and culture. The size of these institutions does not matter, since we are not going to change them by voting. Just imagine the power and glory of a unified European Union, which firmly defends the West, it’s values and most importantly, it’s people.
Russians aren’t our allies or our friends. But I would like that to be the case. You are getting ahead of yourself, mistaking wishes for reality.
Like most whites, they aren’t, but they should be. While I do have wishes that may be far-fetched, I’m also fastened into this reality, and our reality is one which can change in an instant.
Greg. I find that comment to be very disconcerting. It seems to contradict Robert’s excellent article on the subject from the other day. Why do you think that Russians are not our friends or allies? Are they not our white Slavic brothers and sisters? Are they not European and once a core part of what was Christendom?
Amen.
France, Belgium and Holland are overrun with diversity. LONDON IS GONE. The main thing about the Russian invasion of ukraine might prove to be chasing out the POC that were residing in Kiev and Kharkov.
You all make a huge mistake. Russia and Russians is not the same as Soviet Union.
Soviet Union was a concentration camp built by Zionists (yes, them). Holodomor was not Russian atrocity. No, it was a Zionist atrocity. You must have read Solzhenitsyn. He said it very clearly. Bolshevik Revolution was a foreign attack against Russia and Russians. Ukrainians suffered Holodomor, because the Masters of Soviet Union were and are still today responsible for all attacks against us, the White people.
They invent their narratives, they incite hate and monger for war. They love to see us fighting against each other. They will enjoy it and wait while we spend our lives, our money and our future fighting the wars they have provoked. And when the dust clears, they will come from the shadows like the Black Angels of Hell. With their money, their only love.
This war is a classic Zionist operation. NATO is Zionism par excellence. The NATO army comes to a white country to make sure that the natives will not rise against globalism aka zionism. I can trust my own young men, they would not turn their guns against my people. But NATO? They kill anybody, anywhere, anytime, if the zionist master as much as sneezes. They have no conscience, no morality, they kill like robots. They are the Iron Fist of the Master from Hell.
Now the zionist media has achieved its goal. They have got us, again, fight each other. We should turn the guns against this vile Master and once and for all, make sure that we can build our future without their plans from Hell.
Are you proud in USA? Your country is robbed blind. Your debt is astronomical and what did you get for it? Tell me. And like a miracle, the zionists are now astronomically rich. They own individually tens of thousands of billions. Individually, make no mistake. And what will they do with it? Support Zionism, plain and simple. They will make sure that you get even poorer, even more desperate to kill each other while they sip their kosher drinks safe at Middle Eastern home.
No, this is not between bad Russians or bad Ukrainians. This is Zionist Hell.
ValhallaX is right on the money. The poor Ukrainians have allowed themselves to become puppets of the (((World Economic Forum))) and related vibrating and vibrant organizations dedicated to the annihilation of the White race. The great American attorney Robert Barnes has just reported in today’s “The Barnes Brief” that “Ukraine just silently announced it’s the first country to implement the WEF’s ‘Great Reset’ by setting up a Social Credit Application combining Universal Basic Income (UBI), a Digital Identity & a Vaccine Passport all within their Diia app.” For the sake of the Ukrainian people (and for all White people) we all should pray for the quick and complete victory of Russia. You may not like Putin, but the alternative is far worse.
Great comment. I agree completely.
By the way, I visited the Holodomor museum in Kiev and it was unclear what the political aim of it was. Vaguely anti-Soviet but not really anti-Russian or anti-communist. I did find one mention of a Jewish person and he was presented as a hero who helped the Ukrainians. Overall the museum was underwhelming; nothing like a Holocaust museum.
I did try to talk to some Ukrainians about the event and the causes but none new much or cared.
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