Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 365 Jared Taylor, Greg Johnson, & Jim Goad on the Great DebateCounter-Currents Radio
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On this episode of Counter-Currents Radio, Jared Taylor and Jim Goad join Greg Johnson to discuss Jared’s epic debate about race realism with E. Michael Jones. Topics discussed include:
00:01:30 Who won the Great Debate?
00:04:00 E. Michael Jones’s arguments
00:17:00 The William F. Buckley of race realism
00:21:00 Christian universalism
00:29:30 Has Jared Taylor reconsidered any position after the debate?
00:33:00 What did Jared Taylor learn from EMJ?
00:37:30 Race and ethnicity
00:44:15 Why do white people oppose white nationalism?
01:00:30 Jim Goad comments on the debate
01:08:00 Explaining the race gap
01:10:00 The upcoming Amren conference
01:14:00 Jones’s debate style
01:21:30 Jim Goad’s theory about E. Michael Jones
01:30:00 It’s race, not religion
01:40:00 Do we have to discard Christianity?
01:46:00 Your greatest extravagance
01:49:00 Qualities that you respect in men and women
01:53:00 Coming up next
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EMJ accused Taylor of “conflating race with ethnicity,” but Jones conflated ethnicity with religion when Frodi asked Jones if converting to Catholicism would make France’s Arabs and blacks French. Jones said it would, which means (in his mind) ethnicity doesn’t exist.
I suppose Jones could make the point that whites uniquely turn on each other so white doesn’t exist as a thing to rely upon. Whites slit each other’s throats over ideological abstractions.
Fantastic content. I was just wondering if there is a recording of the post debate content. My Internet went out about the time Greg Johnson and Jim Goad came on live. I think there was also Z Man and maybe some others, not really sure. If so, is there a link? Thanks!
Frodi did not put it up. I think he had some pushback from Jones supporters who complained that the discussion was not “fair” because it did not include Jones supporters.
A man named Fitzpatrick has, assembled information on EMJ which does begs some sort of explanation.
“Marxist Israel Shamir refers to E. Michael Jones as a “colleague””
Fitzpatrick’s thesis is too esoteric for me to judge, but I thought of him when Goad said the phrase “wittingly or unwittingly”. Fitzpatarick wrote and article called: “E. Michael Jones a Kremlin tool, wittingly or unwittingly”
In an equally esoteric article, Fitzpatrick includes citations which, again, beg some explanation:
Jones says “We must see the current (Covid) crisis as God willing – inshallah the end of the US empire.”
Inshallah refers to allah, a god foreign to the Catholic deity. The two religions are theologically and culturally incompatible. They are ethnically distinct and have a long and violent enmity which continues to this day.
Jones says “Black & white is an empty category, that has no meaning or content.” and “Race is an illusion. The world is coming to a common culture.”.
But Jones attended an Iranian conference which investigated [A yandex translation from farsi]: “the causes of and factors encounters violent police officer, with nationals of African-American, African descent,”
How police could have violent interactions with an empty category defies analysis.
E. M. Jones doesn’t represent the traditional Catholic view on race and ethnicity. A good place to start, for those interested, would be Julien Langella’s Catholic and Identitarian. Jones is incredibly weak on discussing these questions, and this is naturally so since he has an insufficient grasp of the Catholic philosophical tradition . On the other side, Taylor’s views, from what it seems, presuppose philosophical mechanism (which is notoriously problematic). The traditional Catholic view, and the position put forward by Taylor and his ilk, may find material agreement on certain points, but there will never be any formal agreement; the foundational principles underlying both perspectives are in diametrically opposition. That is where the real debate is to be had.
Is it me or is E. Michael Jones intellectually obnoxious and off-base?
Mr. Taylor, the statue that Mr. Jones referred to was of Louis IX, aka Saint Louis, and the confrontation took place in the city that is his namesake. The statue is still standing. The Catholics with their rosaries won out against jeering antifa and violent black thugs, one of whom was actually charged with assault months later, after bragging on TV about knocking out one to the counter protesters. Like it or not, the Catholic-themed strategy was successful. How many statues have been saved by trumpeting their whiteness?
Serious idea, do a debate on COVID 19. The reason is that a topic like that can be used to bring in more concerned Whites to Counter Currents.
A lot of Whites woke up to government corruption over the last 18 months and are now on alternative platforms and are primed to question other things.
This is already being used to our advantage on Telegram. Dissident Right are making posts/videos about covid and then those posts are being shared into non political groups, providing a gateway for these concerned Whites to find the Dissident Right and our parts of the interweb.
This logic could also be applied to debates on other ‘freedom’ type issues.
I can see that the biggest group that is transitioning to our world view are the Whites that are concerned about their ‘freedoms’ and civic liberties being taken away. This group of Whites is starting to realize that non-whites decrease their ‘freedom’ because the non-whites consistently vote for the erosion of individual rights and for more bureaucratic control. This group of Whites doesn’t want to be ‘racist’ but they’re starting to notice patterns. We should try to create some content that caters to them, that is shareable, to reel them in and help them understand the bigger picture.
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