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Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 258
A Conversation with Laura Towler

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Greg Johnson talks to English video-maker, writer, and activist Laura Towler about her work and ideas. Topics include:

  • 0:00: Introduction
  • 3:25: Laura’s intellectual/political journey

  • Laura’s article “The War Against White Women: My Account of a White Woman
  • 5:55: The Patriotic Alternative
  • 7:35: Mark Collett
  • 8:50: We Were Never Asked
  • 10:20: Is the present system brittle?
  • 13:10: The difference between English public opinion and the social media echo chamber
  • 14:10: The need for freedom of speech (Greg’s speech on “Freedom of Speech“)
  • 16:45: Labour is out of touch with the white working class
  • 18:07: The intimidation and punishment of white advocates in the UK
  • 20:37: Patriotic Alternative on freedom of speech
  • 21:55: Corruption in Left-liberal governments
  • 23:45: Phony anti-white environmentalism
  • 27:07: Phony anti-white feminism
  • 29:45: The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo‘s inverted view of immigration and rape in Sweden (review of Swedish version, review of English version)
  • 32:55: The “grooming” crisis in the UK
  • 35:35: Psychological barriers to changing bad policies
  • 38:00: Prospects for racial nationalism in the UK
  • 41:10: Eatwell and Goodwin on National Populism
  • 44:00: How the mainstream media marginalizes and stigmatizes widely held dissident ideas (review of Gangs of New York, review of The Dark Knight)
  • 50:00: Stigmatizing tradwives
  • 55:05: How freedom fails (Greg’s article “5 to 9 Conservatism“)
  • 59:40: Conclusion and some recommendations
  • Laura on Bitchute
  • Laura on YouTube
  • Laura on Twitter


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  1. K
    Posted January 31, 2020 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    I remember even before I became red-pilled in my family Bill the Butcher was quoted all the time at least by my brothers and dad did. Despite his villain status, he was the most compelling character that is how powerful those ideas are. People are attracted to them without understanding why.

    • Corday
      Posted January 31, 2020 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

      Almost every ideology has to be taught. Think of how powerful and fundamental an idea must be when you have to be taught NOT to believe it.

  2. Anon
    Posted January 31, 2020 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Nice podcast. Mark and Laura are actually DOING things. Good for them.

    We need that in the United States, too. CC, Amren, VDARE, etc. should be playing a role in that.

    The national populism of Europe will not occur in the US on its own. Our leaders step up and make it happen.

  3. J. B.
    Posted January 31, 2020 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Great interview. Love these podcasts. Thanks Greg!

  4. B
    Posted January 31, 2020 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    I want to express my appreciation that these podcasts are simply uploaded as a file which makes me able to listen to them from a text terminal. This website is also quite easy to read that way.

    The solution to social media censorship is to keep it simple.

  5. Stephen Phillips
    Posted January 31, 2020 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for the interview. Satisfying to listen to younger individuals who are supporters of our race and nationalism; and on Brexit Day no less ! … there is hope !

  6. Lovely Phenotypes
    Posted January 31, 2020 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Mark and Laura do great work. Always on point.

  7. Alex
    Posted February 1, 2020 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Great discussion overall, but I thought to add my perspective as an expert in climate modelling. Yes, it is true that the “worse case” scenario much hyped by the media is unlikely to occur
    (decent explanation actually from BBC below).

    Yes, it is also true that several high-profile stories in the ’70s, notably in Time and Newsweek predicted global cooling. These models, however, were based on greatly expanded aerosol emissions (which subsequently levelled off due to regulation). The 1975 US National Academy of Sciences/National Research Council Report actually stated that we don’t know enough yet to determine the course of global temperatures, but the majority of published paper that decade actually predicted greenhouse warming.

    Media hysteria aside, the scientific case for global warming is actually very strong. Just because bad actors manipulate the messaging to score political points against White people doesn’t mean we should ignore climate change altogether.

    With so many young people disillusioned with global capitalism and yearning for a more human centered and environmentally conscious political theory, I am afraid that we are hamstringing our movement if we cannot provide a solution for climate change that emerges from our values and principles. I believe that we need to be engaging on these issues or else we are only driving potential supporters into the arms of our enemies.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 7:47 am | Permalink

      No. Climate change is a fraud.

    • Dazz
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 9:22 am | Permalink

      ‘Climate Change’ is just one of the hundreds of millenarianism’s that have appeared in last hundred years or so from Edgar Cayce’s ‘Earth Changes’ to Charlie Manson’s ‘Helter Skelter’ and now ‘Extinction Rebellion’.

    • Stuart Hurlbert
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 10:47 am | Permalink

      Good points, Alex. A rare breath of fresh air among all the name-calling.

    • Sutter
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

      I agree with the strategic rationale for supporting anti-climate change stuff, in general, while also paying attention to critics of it.

      HOWEVER I have doubts about climate science, especially since there is such a dearth of Asians among alarmist climate science experts. I have seen many of these climate-alarmist papers that are signed by dozens of scientists, and the names on them are almost never Asian.

      The problem here is that Asians are basically the best scientists, as seen in their dominance of science departments at top US research universities, and the commie environmentalist types are probably the worst of the scientific community.

      We are being led by the blind here.

      • Alex
        Posted February 3, 2020 at 6:57 am | Permalink

        Beijing Climate Center, Beijing Normal University, Institute of Atmospheric Physics (Beijing), First Institute of Oceanography (Qingdao), National Institute of Meteorological Research (Seoul), Institute for Numerical Mathematics (Moscow), Atmospheric and Ocean Research Institute (Tokyo), Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology, Meteorological Research Institute (Tsukuba) are all non-Western research centers that publish supercomputer climate models. I disgree that their work is superior to the American, French, German, Italian, Canadian, British, Australian, and Norwegian models that find similar conclusions, but it’s definitely not just a Western science.

        • anonGroyper
          Posted February 3, 2020 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

          There is good reason to doubt the mainstream/establishment science.
          I don’t agree with your comment about asians being the best scientists.
          They have a culture of toeing the line, desire to conform, and not wanting to say/do things too controversial.
          The best scientists are Europeans that aren’t handcuffed by political correctness and other BS.

          A better reason to doubt the mainstream/establishment science, is the fact that its being promoted by the same people that lie about all the other topics, the fact that data is being manipulated, the fact that they won’t talk about the effect the sun has – research the grand solar minimum.
          I have commented above with some other good sources of information.

    • Sandy
      Posted February 1, 2020 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

      If you scroll down you will come to a global temperatures chart for 2500 BC to 2015 AD.

  8. anonGroyper
    Posted February 2, 2020 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    Regarding the other comments on ‘climate change’:
    In my view there are 2 components to so called ‘climate change’
    1. Natural cycles. The climate has always changed. Research the Grand solar minimum – extreme weather events but in the direction of global cooling if anything. Adapt2030 and Iceagefarmer are great resources. Ice age farmer seems to be aware of the anti white naratives – maybe more. Dr David Evans, Jo Nova, David Archibald are also good sources of info. Especially David Archibald (was a member of Fraser Annings party) – Greg, you should consider getting him to write an article for counter currents. DA has a good book worth reading as well.

    2. Unnatural weather manipulation/geoengineering. – harder to explain and comes off as cranky so its not as important to point out.

    The Media makes a big deal about a hot day/month/year but does not make an equally big deal whenever cold records are broken.
    False claims around ‘climate change’ also ties into the Anti-red meat narrative. But thats a whole other rabbit hole…
    Pollution does not equal climate change. We DO need to clean up the environment.

    I’m surprised to see CC commenters missing this point. And Im very happy to see Greg calling climate change what it is in the comments above.

    I chose to comment separately because sometimes the OP deletes the thread once they realise they have been proven wrong.

    • Orcish
      Posted February 2, 2020 at 7:02 am | Permalink

      David archibald, if I am thinking of the same person, I read a book by him and he also comes off as a crazed neocon who advocates the immediate nuking of Iran or some such. Clearly playing to the interests of lobbyists and donors in an unabashed way.

      Global warming is or may be happening, but there have always been climate variations with even ice ages at times. Global temperatures have not even surpassed the medieval warm period, when Greenland was actually green. The question is whether there is significant human caused warming.

      GJ explained in a podcast some time back why he realized global warming was a hoax. I can’t find the podcast but I would like to have that explained again.

      • anonGroyper
        Posted February 2, 2020 at 11:40 am | Permalink

        I should have been more clear. I was only recommending DA’s knowledge on ‘climate change’ and the grand solar minimum.

        Not all of his info is good. For example, I don’t think he understands permaculture and he also seems (?) to think industrial ag is more efficient (cringe).

        Not sure about his neocon leanings – maybe he is just mainstreaming, maybe he is doing it for donations/support, maybe he is actually delusional.

        He definitely has good info on the threat of China which is worth reading about.

        Yea i cant remember the particular podcast either.

        There have been other commenters on CC who have explained what is going on better than me. But I think what i wrote is a good basic summary.

  9. Sartor
    Posted February 12, 2020 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    I fail to see why some on the dissident right still think the jury is still out on Climate Change. It is real and it offers an enormous opportunity for our ideas to enter the mainstream. Climate Change is about demographics and ultimately must be addressed from that perspective: resources are not infinite and cannot cope with unending growth in 3rd world consumption. That provides an opportunity to profile the vulnerability of Europeans in the face of open borders and unsustainable growth rates. We are the only people arguing from this perspective.

    Supporting the sceptics/deniers merely sustains our own marginalisation. We should seize the strategic opportunity Climate Change presents. There is nothing to be gained by backing the interests of international corporates that would gladly displace us all if there were a dollar in it.

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