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Groypin’ Ain’t Easy

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The ongoing conflict between Conservative Inc. and the America First wing of the Right has escalated. Whereas previously Conservative Inc. has been getting it good and hard from the intrepid groypers, this recent engagement at North Carolina State University has seen Conservative Inc. improvising and adapting to, if not quite overcoming, the amphibian opposition. Charlie Kirk, who’d managed to get himself quite a reputation as a punching bag for green-fisted questioners, actually fought back. Several online pundits – even so-called Groyper Generals such as Nick Fuentes – have declared the event a defeat, and they are in a sense right. In another sense, the North Carolina event, if less than perfect, cannot be quite painted as a defeat. This is for several simple, yet counterintuitive reasons which will be the subject of this analysis.

First, let’s get the obvious out of the way. There were at least several false-flag plants among the audience whose mission was to associate the America First patriots with neo-Nazism, stupidity, and defunct organizations, chief among them the fuckhead who rushed to the microphone when Charlie Kirk shoehorned Identity Evropa into the discussion. However much Conservative Inc. is paying him, it ain’t enough. This hurt the optics of the questioners something fierce. Secondly, the venue was smaller, which allowed Turning Point USA (TPUSA) to limit the amount of people who were present, and you can bet your bottom dollar that they screened against young, white men with alpha physiognomy, given that this is your model groyper. Thirdly, much of the low-hanging fruit with regard to tough questions had already been picked in previous events, so unless groypers want to repeat questions, they have to improvise and invent ever new ones. This is tough under the best of circumstances – and the circumstances weren’t even good.

Moving on, we observe in this event not just the usual passive-aggressive venue manipulation, line-jumping by TPUSA plants, and evasiveness by cuckservatives, but outright hostility and deception by Charlie Kirk. The first questioner’s question was derailed by a hostile Kirk forcing him to either endorse or denounce Identity Evropa, which he holds is “a neo-Nazi organization which intended to overthrow the government.” This was despite the fact that Identity Evropa (consistently mispronounced “Yevropa” by Chuckie Boy) being a defunct organization which was none of these things even when it existed. This led to the aforementioned TPUSA plant volunteering to defend this strawman of Identity Yevropa and wresting the microphone from the genuine groyper. For those interested in how Charlie managed to force this issue, this video by Steve Franssen should provide valuable insights. Overall, Charlie was biting back, answering questions with questions, and hectoring in a hostile tone. We are once again reminded of the long-term damage wrought to our movement by short-sighted people, like the ones who delivered this rhetorical weapon into Charlie Kirk’s hands. Any future nationalist movement will have to burn off this deadwood, whether it comes from White Nationalism 1.0 or the failures of the Alt Right period.

Here we arrive at the first way in which this defeat has traces of victory in it. Charlie Kirk and the rest of Cuckservative Inc. like to present themselves as rational, even-minded, and fair people, in contrast to the insane, mercurial, and bullying Left. Charlie might have beaten back the groyper question onslaught this time, but he did it by acting like a bully swinging at Yevropian phantoms. There is fault in the groypers, too, for preparing to deal with tame and gelded Charlie and not Ghostbuster Charlie, but the fact that Conservative Inc. has been forced to put on its war face is a minor victory in itself – especially since that war face is not quite warlike, but rather, bitchy and bullying. Schoolyard, not battleground. He sounds very much like a beta who first reads about negging women in order to get laid and then goes to the nearest woman and calls her a dirty whore in a shrill voice. This is in keeping with the conception that Conservative Inc. is staffed by low-energy, low-testosterone cucks. The war face and war tone are not a good fit for Chuckie Boy, and while this sudden change of tactics may have caught the groypers off-guard, in the long run, he cannot pull it off convincingly.

But even if Charlie and Co.’s newfound hostility does turn out to be an effective groyper repellent, it ultimately costs them more than it costs us. I will now draw an analogy with a military conflict, so to any and all disingenuous and dishonest journalists, Leftists, cuckservatives, federal agents, wignats, and other species of pond scum: THIS IS NOT AN ENDORSEMENT OF OR INCITEMENT TO ILLEGAL ACTION.

During the Troubles in Northern Ireland, one of the greatest IRA victories came without much fanfare and did not lead to jaunty folk rock tunes about single-handedly taking out a column of British armored vehicles. By placing IEDs on the roads, the IRA forced the British Army to travel around Northern Ireland in helicopters, burning expensive helicopter fuel rather than comparatively cheaper gasoline, just to avoid casualties. This greatly escalated the price of the conflict for the British government, increasing the pressure to come to an accord with the IRA, and ultimately leading to the Good Friday Agreement which ended the conflict in the IRA’s favor. Now that the analogy has been made, the author disavows terrorist organizations, the construction and deployment of IEDs, and composing jaunty folk rock songs about liquidating members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary with an assault rifle.

The measures that Charlie Kirk has taken to eke out this stalemate masquerading as a victory against the groypers run contrary to the nature of both TPUSA and the broader cuckservative establishment. Their self-cultivated image of the open-minded, rational, and fair alternative to the nutcases and bullies of the Left falls apart if they point and sputter at defunct organizations in tones which are equal parts schoolyard bully and annoying yenta. So much for the rational Right.

Doesn’t sound like much? No, it doesn’t. But it is. If you force a boxer to fight like a wrestler, pretty soon he’s going to make a catastrophic mistake, even if the sudden change of stance throws you off your game on your first encounter. Similarly, in chess, the chaotic and improvisational style of amateurs can throw even grandmasters off balance, but the grandmaster will always recover from the initial shock and deliver a brilliant victory in the next game. Chuckie Boy’s mask of toughness does not become him.

Understanding these hidden victories is the key to understanding Fourth Generation Warfare. I warmly recommend that everyone reading this read the Fourth Generation Warfare Handbook by William S. Lind. In this sense, the groypers are a fourth generation political force, and victory doesn’t come in the shape of your classical rout, but rather in forcing the enemy to systematically play against type. This has been achieved in North Carolina. Now we look to the next encounter, in Texas, in order to observe the behavior of our enemy.

However, we’d be remiss if we did not look at ourselves and see that there is room for improvement. A new and improved fourth generation groyper may be necessary for the upcoming slog with Conservative Inc.’s machinery of evil. Steve Franssen urges groypers to familiarize themselves with Kirk’s trickery in the video linked above. Nick Fuentes has some advice and criticism of his own for the groypers. I generally agree with both of those takes, but with a caveat: Do not think of them as scripts. The classic mistake of betas trying to “learn game” is to think of it as a script to be implemented – and so you get the bitchiness demonstrated by Charlie Kirk.

Far better, in my humble opinion as a former actor, director, insurance salesman, and current attorney, is to actively transform yourself into a person capable of not only implementing what the groyper generals prescribe, but also thinking on your feet – and maybe a little bit of generalship yourself. This is a difficult and arduous task which will take a long time, but successfully completing it might just be the smartest thing you ever do – not just for the groyper wars, but for your entire life.

The key to becoming the kind of guy who can defend himself from Charlie Kirk’s attempts to reframe the discussion and even actively dominate Charlie Kirk is confidence. Confidence in yourself is, in my experience, the absence of fear (or more precisely, its conquest by courage). I heard a lot of shaky voices from groypers in the North Carolina video. Maybe the lack of fellow groypers in the audience (a situation purposefully engineered by TPUSA) discouraged them, but my instincts as a penniless hipster director who had to work with amateur actors tells me that they had a bad case of stage fright.

Stage fright can be fought in two ways. The first is rehearsing, which you ought to be doing anyway, and since we’ve now seen what Chuckie and probably other cuckservative puppets will do, you should rehearse with a friend who will play the role of Charlie Kirk. Make sure that your friend doesn’t play a caricature of whomever you’re questioning, and that he is presenting not a strawman but a steelman. You will have to outwit Charlie Kirk and fight off his reframes.

The second way is increasing your adrenaline tolerance. Experienced actors do not get stage fright because their systems handle adrenaline differently. Most of you reading this will probably not go out seeking glory on the boards of a theater, so the most practical way to flood your system with adrenaline is to practice martial arts, and specifically, open sparring, which you should be doing anyway. Nothing else in the civilian world compares. Once you’ve faced the oncoming fist of another man, Chuckie’s loaded questions will slide off you like crimes off a Clinton.

Take this with a big caveat: Not all of us are cut out for verbal swordplay, even against someone as hapless as Charlie Kirk, not to mention a motormouth like Ben Shapiro. And even if you are, you might not have the improvisational skills necessary to head off all attempts at reframing the conversation. Research your question, head off possible rabbit holes the enemy might want to lead you down, and keep your eyes on the ball. Train your body and mind to withstand the terror of scrutiny and attention, especially hostile attention. Do everything in your power to boost confidence. Tailoring and grooming become important not just due to optics, but also to give you that spring in your step, the hallmark of the well-dressed Chad. And if you feel you’re not up for it, step out of line. Live to fight another day.

The Groyper Wars have gone beyond the initial bombast. Conservative Inc. has cycled between gatekeeping tactics, from ignoring, mockery, indignation, and censorship, and seems to have stumbled upon a combination of bullying, manipulation, and reframing as a halfway successful counter to groyper questions. They are, however, playing against type, and cannot act as tough guys for much longer. It is now up to the groypers to adapt to this development. Above all, we have to watch the behavior of the beast and other actors – chief among them, President Trump. The battlefield is always changing, always shifting, and the rules of engagement and tactics are in flux. Vigilance, courage, and mastery of self will win the day.

What, you thought it would be easy? You’re better than that, anon.


  1. Mad Celt
    Posted November 14, 2019 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Just stay away from the damned things and let the left beat the crap out of Kirk.

    • John Wilkinson
      Posted November 14, 2019 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

      I totally disagree with this.

      People subconsciously affiliate themselves with winners. We want more people sympathizing with the “right”…,95% of people see the Charlie Kirks of the world as the only standard bearers for the “right”. So when Charlie Kirk is being humiliated by leftists (which actually doesn’t happen but let’s do the what if thing), then in the eyes of potential young voters, the right looks weak and the left looks strong. Therefore they will sympathize with the left.

      What is happening, in fact, is that Charlie Kirk DOES seem more reasonable and strong than leftists. Which is even more dangerous than getting beat up by them. This makes him a Pied Piper (gatekeeper) who prevents young, disgruntled men from seeking other right wing alternatives. (This is precisely what he is being paid to do by the doner class).

      The BEST scenario is for our guys to humiliate him and make him look like the stinking turd that he is. This gives right-sympathizing young men an alternative to investigate, and maybe even makes the dissident right look intimidating to leftists. (Which we are, as is self evident by the way they frantically attempt to silence us).

    • Vauquelin
      Posted November 15, 2019 at 9:32 am | Permalink

      Agreed. There is no battle to be won here. Let the cucks and trannies fight.

      • Exile
        Posted November 17, 2019 at 12:12 am | Permalink

        I agree with the author and John Wilkinson above 100%.

        Discrediting the fake-opposition liberal “right” in America is necessary. Refusing to engage these poseurs cedes cultural space and lets them define us.

        Conservatism, which you claim we “piggy-backed” up-thread, is either wholly-co-opted or relegated to a paleo-fringe whose only modern relevance comes from how we’ve carried it forward.

        Ethno-nationalism crosses party lines and is the only viable long-term organizing principle for modern opposition to the managerial state, global finance capitalism, and deep state surveilance and militarism. We’re the only sustainable opposition that can save our race (and frankly, even the others) from this unnatural cancerous system in the long run.

        Leaving Kirk and the Left to their kabuki Red-Blue theatre means soon-to-be-minority Whites will never dare, care or even know how to break that frame and fight for their own interests.

  2. FrenchRoyalist
    Posted November 14, 2019 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Dear Mr. Jeelvy
    Even if, as non American, I could be considered as neutral, I’m not. America is the most powerful (still) white country in the world. You’re our headquarter. If you fall (and that eventual fall is not, IMO, obligatory related to Trump’s fate), we will probably fall.

    That said, my big point is to adress you a big thank, because CC avoid Charybd-creepy Anglin and
    Scylla-desperate H. Wallace.
    Positiveness matters. We all need that. I have to admit than, before this Groyper war, I had lost hope. I feel it back.
    So, again, thank you CC, thank you Mr. Jeelvy.

    PS: I am very interested by what you wrote about ways to fight adrenalin and fear. You wrote another article about practicing martial fight arts. My question is : I’m 47yo (genetically more like 40, I guess). Is it too late to start something like that? (I am not skinny but quite “unmuscular” (if this word exist in english). I started musculation since 1. 5 month.)

    Thanks for your eventual answering.

    • Posted November 14, 2019 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

      I’m not an American either, and I follow the groyper wars for the same reason as you.

      On your other question, I’ll answer that it’s never too late to start working out, but that you shouldn’t expect miracles either. Age is going to be a factor, especially if you’ve not exercised in the past.

    • John Wilkinson
      Posted November 14, 2019 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

      Have your testosterone levels checked and don’t be afraid to inject Cypionate if they are low.

      A normal, otherwise healthy man with low T levels should have no qualms with treating his condition with natural hormones, especially given that our society encourages the totally unnatural chemical castration of children with hormone therapy.

      • Marchal LeBlanc
        Posted November 14, 2019 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

        2nd this suggestion.

      • FrenchRoyalist
        Posted November 19, 2019 at 10:38 am | Permalink

        @Mr Jeelvy : thank you for your honest answer. I think I will stay only on bodybuiding

        @mr Wilkison : I’ve never heard before about cypionate. Could you please tell me more about that? Or a site link?

        (I doubt my doctorwill be agree. French medecine is very “under control”…)

        • John Wilkinson
          Posted November 19, 2019 at 11:39 am | Permalink

          Cypionate is simply the same thing as natural testosterone. It is pretty much the standard hormone therapy that doctors prescribe.

          I would be surprised if doctors in France are not allowed to prescribe it for legitimate cases of low testosterone levels. There is no harm in seeking medical advice and having tests done. I think it is appropriate to investigate for yourself.

          As for a link, all you have to do is google cypionate. You will be offered more information than you can imagine.

  3. HamburgerToday
    Posted November 14, 2019 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Nice summary of events and good suggestions. It takes a long time to build up a cadre. The Groyper Army is still assembling. Looks like the event today in Houston TX seems to have gone better.

  4. Arthur Konrad
    Posted November 14, 2019 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    If chances for a successful outcome of such events becomes depleted altogether, wouldn’t it be wise to abandon further attempts and move on to something else? Dissident Right always had problems with adapting to changing conditions in the past, and now it might turn out to be a wise move.

  5. Veles
    Posted November 15, 2019 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    I have also found that confidence can be increased by learning to defuse from thoughts. When you fuse with mental chatter in your mind like “I am making a fool of myself” you end up losing confidence. Teaching yourself to immediately defuse/detach from thoughts like that helps. It might seems obvious to some or like more self help but it was something that works. The more your practice it the easier it gets.

  6. R_ID
    Posted November 15, 2019 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    Groypers did a great job exposing the fake conservatism of the establishment at these Culture War events and establishing name recognition for themselves. However, I agree that if they do not evolve their strategies going forward, they run the risk of being cast as another group of hecklers like the marxists and provide more for opportunities for false flags. Forcing a debate would be a useful next step, but the establishment guys refuse to engage at that level. Perhaps a debate/discussion can be framed as a way to put aside differences before the election. Either way, they took advantage of a great opportunity here, but they need to determine what the ultimate goals of the Groypers rebellion are. As JF said recently, they seem to lack an ideological core with respect to white identity and will need to sort that out going forward.

  7. R_Moreland
    Posted November 15, 2019 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    The Groypers hit on a most excellent tactic, taking the offensive and using guerrilla theater against an unanticipated target: Charlie Kirk and TPUSA. But as with all tactics, sooner or later the other side gloms on to what you are doing and takes countermeasures…as the UCNC event shows.

    Now it’s up to Nick Fuentes and Company to adapt, switch the axis of advance and come up with a new tactic.

    Meantime, if Kirk is going to ask questioners “to either endorse or denounce Identity Evropa,” then turn it around. Ask Kirk if he is going to denounce (say) Black Lives Matter as a “neo-communist identitarian organization which is out to expand big government.” Might follow on by asking when Turning Point USA is planning to call for an end to all taxpayer support for ethnically based university departments, like black studies.

    Exploit surprise, keep the other side on the defensive, maintain the initiative.

    • Kolya Krassotkin
      Posted November 17, 2019 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

      Instead of forcing Kirk to denounce BLM, make him denounce Anti-Fa. Hell, make him denounce Drag Queen Story Hour, a thing NRO writer David French supports.

  8. Vauquelin
    Posted November 15, 2019 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Sure, Kirk is the bully, and not the people continuously crashing his events to harrass its speakers. Imagine my thinking emoji.
    While America/Evropa First is obviously preferable to the cucks of TPUSA, I’ve had my doubts about this whole thing from the get-go. WNs will come out of this weaker and more marginalized, and fencesitting rightists driven into the arms of the left.
    The strength of WNs in America came from piggyback riding a larger post-Obama conservative surge, and this Groyperism is just the WN movement getting off its horse and beating it. What a pointless endeavor.

    • Corday
      Posted November 16, 2019 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

      TPUSA’s brand of “conservatism” contributes absolutely nothing. Their positions are the same ones which have dominated the GOP since the mid 1970s, and look what they’ve given us. I am 25. Since I was born, the Republicans have been in control of the House for 20 years and the Senate for 16 years. Examine their record. They have sat idly by as the country has surged Left in every conceivable way socially. They’ve presided over a decrease in white quality of life by almost every conceivable metric. They’ve had us in pointless wars/engagements almost every year. Anyone still supporting these people or driven to the Left by these people being exposed is too blind/dumb to ever affect or even support positive changes. If the Groypers drive them away, good riddance.

      • Vauquelin
        Posted November 17, 2019 at 1:45 am | Permalink

        It doesn’t matter that TPUSA contributes nothing, that it supports malignant anti-white policies and that Kirk is an idiot, what matters is that WNs reach positions of influence in America’s institutions. That should be the main goal. The more visible WNs make themselves in attacking milquetoast pro-Jew conservative figures the less likely they are to succeed. At this point America is a hostile place to pro-white and even pro-American thought, and the idea is to make oneself difficult, not easy, to persecute. To do this one needs to “hide his power level” as some call it: be a committed anti-systemic WN in private yet maintain a public face of subservience to the status quo. America has no need for Swastika parades and similar invitations for the Jewish boot to come down on their necks, not as long as White Nationalism is not a mass-movement with wide support by most of the white bloc and possible racial allies. It needs pro-white activism in the form of the Know Nothings, who did not achieve any great public victories yet were incredibly successful and influential at what they did, mostly by working out of sight.
        I’m all for a good anti-cuck smear campaign but the more today’s white nationalists distinguish themselves the easier it is for the system to bully, intimidate, ridicule and persecute them, damaging the effort. Best to blend into the crowd and disseminate ideas anonymously, which has worked best so far. The movement at present is far from big and confident enough and it needs to be nurtured: this tot ain’t ready for war.

  9. I Got Worked
    Posted November 15, 2019 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    An interesting and thoughtful video by Semiogogue on this issue from today I found insightful:

    My biggest fear with the groypers is they are going to stage another Charlottesville level setback without even realizing it because the other side will set them up for the fall. Please keep this in mind and focus on Michelle Malkins advice of making every question about how does this serve America First ?

  10. Jules
    Posted November 16, 2019 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    By placing IEDs on the roads, the IRA forced the British Army to travel around Northern Ireland in helicopters, burning expensive helicopter fuel rather than comparatively cheaper gasoline, just to avoid casualties. This greatly escalated the price of the conflict for the British government, increasing the pressure to come to an accord with the IRA, and ultimately leading to the Good Friday Agreement

    In an otherwise interesting article that statement is one of the weirdest I have ever read about Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement. The GFA came about due to infiltration of the IRA to the point that it was no longer fully functional and the Loyalist terrorist groups’ greater ability to kill Sinn Fein members themselves rather than random innocent Catholics. There were other factors – rising wealth in both communities, greater willingness of Unionists to compromise, declining support for the IRA in the Republic, IRA funding issues, – but fuel costs for helicopters was not one of them.

    • Bill Jones
      Posted November 17, 2019 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

      I lived in England during this time and the increasing resort to Helicopters seemed to me to be a psychological rather than financial problem. The loss of ordinary roads for travel belied the narrative that it was a minor peacekeeping problem and furthered the occupation army appearance,

    • Posted November 19, 2019 at 1:28 am | Permalink

      There were many reasons for the GFA, not just helicopters. There was a general shift in the PIRA to more effective tactics as they embraced the long war concept. “Infiltration” of the IRA and lack of support for it in the Dublin Republic are less important, given that the PIRA had support in Washington (where it counts). I agree with Bill Jones that the psychological impact of having to move in helicopters over what was essentially home territory was probably greater than the financial impact of helicopter transport.
      Someone knowledgeable about the Troubles should write a series of articles about that conflict.

  11. newworldanglo
    Posted November 16, 2019 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    What does Nick Fuentes and the other Groyper generals intend to do going forward?
    I sincerely hope they continue asking tough questions at political events going forward.

    The Groypers reminded me of this video from Jared Taylor where he asked a tough question and got it recorded.

  12. Richard
    Posted November 17, 2019 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    The Groyper movement is now receiving attention from the MSM and as usual, it’s being falsely labeled. The verbiage in the article below is an overt indicator that the views of Conservative, Inc. are clearly anti-Nationalist and anti-White. The evidence continues to accumulate against Conservatives on their ineptness when it comes to conserving anything that resembles traditional America.

    Conservatives seek to stifle new ‘alt-right’ movement seeped in anti-Semitism

    “A fringe group of far-right activists have been disrupting conservative and pro-Trump events in recent weeks, drawing rebukes from mainstream Republicans who are eager to separate the party from white nationalists and alt-right racists.”

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