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The Case for Trump in 2020

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Would identitarians be better off if Democrats take back the White House?

Of course not.

Many people on the Dissident Right voice the opinion that Donald Trump needs to lose in 2020. Trump didn’t build the Wall, he didn’t reduce immigration, he bows before Israel, he passed terrible criminal justice reform, he hasn’t dealt with tech censorship, he shows no concern for persecuted Rightists, he may go to war with Iran, he can’t stop posting cringe, and so on and so forth.

These are all valid reasons why Trump is a disappointment and warrants strong criticism. Some therefore conclude that a Democratic win would advance our cause because it would punish Trump for his broken promises and accelerate the chaos.

In reality, Republicans wouldn’t get the message that Trump lost because he was insufficiently based, and a Democratic administration would make persecuting the Dissident Right a top priority. If you think censorship and deplatforming are bad now, just wait until the state pushes it under President Elizabeth Warren. Trump remaining in office is the best option for the Dissident Right. No, this doesn’t mean we ignore his failures and broken promises. It simply requires us to face reality and dispense with fantasy.

The “Alt Right” became a major phenomenon due to Trump. Dissident Right publications and organizations had existed for years prior to Trump, but few paid attention to them. Journalists and politicians started talking about us when we provided an intellectual basis and online support network to Trumpism. Thousands of people came over to our ideas due to this association. Much of this attention was given in an attempt to derail Trump, but it had the unintended effect of empowering the Dissident Right and making us grow exponentially. We were able to punch above our weight with memetic warfare and by offering online support to the Trump campaign.

The “Trump must lose” crowd insist that censorship is worse under Trump than it ever was under Barack Obama. That’s undoubtedly true, but they forget that it’s increased with the aim of derailing the Trump phenomenon. The President isn’t the one pushing the censorship; it’s major corporations and journalists who want to ensure that Trump is not allowed to enact a nationalist program, and moreover that America never again elects a nationalist. Liberal elites want us silenced because they see us as a threat and acknowledge that our memes helped Trump win. There was little censorship in the Obama era only because the elites didn’t see us a threat or relevant; they do now.

The troubles we currently face are our growing pains as a dissident movement. It was never going to be easy to change the world, and persecution is par for the course for dissidents. We shouldn’t be happy about our social media bans and payment processor refusals, but we should realize these developments are the result of our growth and increasing relevance. Trump’s rise facilitated that growth, and we will forever be associated with his candidacy – for better or for worse.

Arguably, the best reason to want Trump to win reelection is the persecution issue. It’s true that Trump hasn’t done enough on this issue. Big Tech continues to ban his own supporters and suffer no consequences, even though the President could use his executive powers to hit back. His Department of Justice has also unjustly pursued Right-wingers, such as the Rise Above Movement (RAM), while doing little about the antifa.

You may think this is bad, but it would get a hell of a lot worse under a Democrat. A Democratic president would likely pressure tech companies and banks to deny all service to suspected “White Nationalists.” Association with the Dissident Right could result in the loss of your gun rights under a Democratic president’s new red flag laws. The Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security would be ordered to make White Nationalism their primary target, and investigate and prosecute many non-violent identitarians.

Some may argue that this would accelerate white America’s awakening and make them see that the American system has become tyrannical. In truth, most white Americans would ignore it. Just look at the response to what’s happening now. Have there been mass protests because of what happened to the RAM guys? Have millions of white Americans condemned the system because of Charlottesville? Where are the large-scale boycotts of PayPal and other tech giants that have suppressed the Dissident Right?

If you believe greater persecution will lead to more resistance, then why haven’t we seen any resistance thus far? The answer, sadly, is because most whites simply don’t care, and they think it’s only a few “Nazis” who are being affected. There is zero evidence that Middle Americans will care more once we have President Warren.

Not only will the persecution not turn us into martyrs in the eyes of white America, but we won’t have access to the platforms we need to spread our message. The Rightists who want a Democratic administration the most will be the first to lose their social media accounts and domain hosting. Nobody can hear your message if you’re offline.

The only person who might possibly put a stop to tech censorship and bias is Trump. He has made it clear that he wants to protect online speech and punish tech giants. A Republican-sponsored bill exists in the Senate that would target Big Tech’s special immunities and require tech giants to prove that they operate as neutral political forums. If the Republicans win in 2020, they might pass it. The Democrats, on the other hand, want Big Tech to censor more.

Even if you believe that Trump is a total failure, it’s undeniable that he’s the only hope against tech tyranny.

Our movement’s main objectives should be to build communities and institutions. A Democratic administration will make those objectives harder to achieve; a second Trump term at least offers the hope that we will gain federal protection. A 2020 GOP win should be hoped for solely for this reason. It goes without saying that no Democrat will stand up for our rights.

Rightists who want Trump to lose believe that it would send a message: Trump has failed us so badly that he must be punished at the polls. If you cuck, you lose elections. The problem with this view is that the people who make this argument don’t have a large real-world constituency. There are no Dissident Right organizations of any significant size. Further, they can’t host events, can’t establish institutions, and in many cases they can’t even get along with other people in the same circles, let alone ordinary voters. Yet, in their minds, they somehow influence the choices of large numbers of voters. This is a fantasy. There are probably a few thousand wignats, at most, and they are spread out all over the country – too sparsely to make a difference even in the battleground states. Moreover, nobody wants to be associated with our milieu. Republicans have won lots of elections without courting the National Socialist Movement’s votes; why will 2020 be any different?

Over ninety percent of Republicans approve of Donald Trump – one of the highest numbers in the party’s history. There are no real cracks in his coalition apart from among white suburbanites – a demographic which does not get its news from Gab. If Trump loses, the message the party will take away is that he lost because he was too racist, not because he was too cucked. The party establishment is eager to return to the pre-Trump days and pass an immigration amnesty. Plenty of Republican politicians are more than ready to condemn Trump and his platform if he loses. They will return to the days of George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, and double down on ethnomasochism, neoconservative foreign policy, and economic buffoonery. The GOP will be far worse in a post-Trump landscape.

Ironically, given the wignats’ kneejerk hatred for the man, the only person who could effectively fight back against renewed GOP cuckery is Trump himself. In the event of a loss, he’s likely to return to his 2016 self and blame the party’s establishment. He will insist that he was right about immigration, foreign policy, and trade from the beginning, and push for the party to remain true to his America First promises. Trump would make it his life’s mission to uphold the righteousness of his campaign agenda and attack any who besmirch it. He will still have most of the party’s loyalty, and Republicans will not have the luxury of ignoring him. He’s not just gonna disappear into Mar-a-Lago if he loses. In this scenario, the best outcome for Republicans would be that the leadership tries unsuccessfully to cuck, fails to pass an amnesty, and a candidate better than Trump wins the nomination in 2024, with Trump’s endorsement.

Trump’s return to form is one potential positive in the event of a loss, but it wouldn’t compensate for the much greater hurt that would be brought down on us by the new administration. It’s also not guaranteed that Trump would succeed in keeping his agenda alive. Our moment could very well pass with his departure from office.

It won’t be the end of the world if Trump loses, and we will adjust to the new circumstances if that occurs. The Dissident Right simply needs to realize that our fortunes are tied to Trump’s, and we would be weaker without him. Yes, he has done a lousy job of turning our ideas into policy, but no American in recent decades has done more to advance them metapolitically. Immigration restriction, non-interventionism, and economic protectionism are all now part of the Republican mainstream thanks to Trump. More Americans than ever agree with the Dissident Right, and that number will continue to grow if he wins reelection. The Republican Party will further adapt itself to Trump’s 2016 campaign message, and neocons and libertarians will feel even more unwelcome in the party.

If you don’t buy that, you should at least understand that Trump and the Republicans are the only ones who will not unleash the full force of the state against us. We might still deal with tech censorship and deplatforming under President Trump; we never will with a Democrat.

Trump may be too cringey for some to bear, but he’s our only option in 2020. We lose much and gain nothing if he loses.









  1. Tim H.
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    “he didn’t reduce immigration”

    He (or rather, Stephen Miller) cut refugee intake by 90%, that’s something even if we haven’t managed to reduce the absurd levels of legal immigration yet.

    I’d estimate ~20% of white americans explicitly agree with our positions. That’s enough to take the country, as Trump proved. James Allsup had the right idea of course-correcting the Republican party by taking it over. He just shouldn’t have been so loud about it while actually doing it.

    Wingnats are crazy and should be ignored. If they want change, they should be running for a local government position, not sperging out on Gab.

    • Felix Krull
      Posted October 7, 2019 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

      He (or rather, Stephen Miller) cut refugee intake by 90%, that’s something even if we haven’t managed to reduce the absurd levels of legal immigration yet.

      Only one number matters: net third world immigrant influx. Politicians are 3-card Monte-players, they’ll quietly open a new door as they, with much fanfare, close the old. If they stop doling out the refugee tickets, they’ll simply print more H1Bs, or student visas or whatever.

  2. D.M.
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    One more benefit to a Trump victory: it would prove that his 2016 win was no fluke, and that GOP contenders must run on an America First platform. That could pave the way for more Trumpian candidates with Numbers USA “A+” ratings to take the torch and run in 2024.

  3. HamburgerToday
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Excellent analysis. The relationship to racial issues and populism is not the same in every nation that is experiencing a populist uprising. Orban can ‘go there’ because there is a strong connection between the Hungarian people and the Hungarian homeland. ‘America for American’s doesn’t mean anything because of the various strands of both progressive anti-Americanism and conservative ‘creedal nationalism’.

    The beauty of populism for White Nationalism is the empowering notion that ‘the people’ have a say in their governance. Once this idea takes hold, it will be easier to promulgate the notion that White people should have a say in their governance.

    Trump is not a White Nationalist, but he is also smart enough to realize that White people are the core of the GOP and that their diminution as a fraction of the electorate is the death of the GOP.

    Trump’s enemies are White Nationalism’s enemies, even if he never lifts a finger to help White Nationalism, every time he reveals the impotence of his enemies, he strengthens the hand of White Nationalism.

  4. Dean Mulready
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    A much needed reality check for the accelerationist “burn it down” crowd. I’m glad someone at CC took this issue up.

  5. Posted October 7, 2019 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    I don’t pretend to know what goes on in Trump’s mind, but he constantly surprises me more than any other leader I have seen in my 76 years on this planet. Could it be the actions/inactions you criticize him for are part of his plan to expose the liberal media for all the world to see? I do believe he was sincere when he said he would be a president for all Americans regardless of race, creed, gender, or political affiliation, and I regard this as part of the job description. His ability to accomplish so much in the face of such relentless attacks by the media fills me with admiration. I also wish he could have done more to secure the border and to halt the infiltration of terrorists, criminals and drug lords into the country. But this impeachment drive by Democrats tells me something. They know that Trump is going to demolish them in the next election and that Republicans are going to take back the house. That is why they are doing everything they can to overthrow him before that happens. But again Trump is leading them into a trap. Because now the whole country is waking up to the fact that Democrats don’t believe in elections, don’t believe in the Constitution or the idea of a Republic based on laws. Incidentally, I notice some so-called conservative writers agree with them, but this is the distinctive character of the United States. Maybe it is evolving into something else, I don’t know, but I believe this is what Trump stands for. That is why he is scrupulously following all laws and procedures.
    That being said, I find your site one of the most thought provoking reads I have so far encountered on the Internet.

  6. EF
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    “No, this doesn’t mean we ignore his failures and broken promises. It simply requires us to face reality and dispense with fantasy.”

    Well the reality of Trump is he has been talking to the PM of New Zealand about her GUN BAN, he was very interested she said. He banned BUMP STOCKS. He appeared quite interested in RED FLAG LAWS and more extreme background checks.

    His WAR against Iran and Syria was as good as ANY Democrat would do.

    He has allowed in a RECORD # of ILLEGAL ALIENS who are in all parts of the US now and the horde is eating up taxpayer dollars, through schools, social services and medical care and on and on. RIGHT NOW under The Donald.

    He keeps tweeting about black and latino employment data while whites continue to collapse.
    Tell me what difference has he made to deplatforming? NONE.

    Whites are in a condition that (((a certain group))) has worked for well over a century to attain.
    How will The Donald with all his Jewish family members stop that?
    The End is coming, and as long as there are people like the Republicans Whites will still stay asleep. Then as the nearly one hundred million Russians, REAL RUSSIANS, found out the (((Bolsheviks))) bullet in the back of the head, AFTER surrendering their guns that is.

    So the Supreme Court is still pretty leftist with the “Conservatives” going along with the Ginsbergs and the rest of Chosenites on the bench.
    Trump he LIED in the campaign and whites, understandably bought it,


    • Richard
      Posted October 7, 2019 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

      Well said. I’d like to add that Trump is a shill to Israel, bombed Assad, and embraces Saudi Arabia — a terrorist conglomerate who’s actively commiting genocide in Yemen. Three strikes and he’s out.

    • TomKat
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 2:37 am | Permalink

      We have the FBI talking points at least:


      How (((weird))) to hear all the wingnats signing from the same song book. Lazy Feds?

  7. Posted October 7, 2019 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Trump is not as great as I had hoped he would be. But we have had so many betrayals, and so many setbacks in our movement, that I think we are sometimes cynical and overly-pessimistic. There are many things Trump has done that are truly great! The globalists and ethno-masochists didn’t take this country from us in one presidency. They didn’t do it in two, three, or four presidencies. They did it over DECADES. And if one president didn’t completely agree with everything they wanted, that was fine as long as he pushed some part of their agenda, or in absence of support, didn’t actively attack it. The Koch brothers were fine with the Republican Party, because they weren’t going to stop illegal immigration. But now that Trump is in office, they’re donating to Democrats. To expect Trump (or any president) to be some sort of almighty leader who snaps his fingers and solves all our problems is horrendously unrealistic. It is equally unrealistic to expect a president to do everything you want. Winning our country back for our people is not a sprint. It is a marathon. And Trump is most definitely a fantastic start to the first part of this long run. He is the only option we have in 2020. To not elect him would be disastrous.

  8. Ijsbeer
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    For quite some time, I have this idea that Trump is basically “holding back” until he gets reelected.
    Because in his vision, he doesn’t want to do anything that might scare off normies.
    Seen the nature of the later ones, that position does not seem unrealistic to me.

    So after 2020, we might see a more nationalistic version of the man.
    Just a gut feeling , it would be quite depressing if I am mistaken.

    Nevertheless, wishing victory to a democrat lunatic / criminal just to “get even” with a narcissist non-keeper of promises, I have a hard time differentiating that with plain old leftist craziness.

  9. DespicableMe
    Posted October 7, 2019 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    i have one more, admittedly personal and slightly petty, reason for voting to re-elect Trump.
    Liberal tears. Mug after mug, chug after chug, of sweet sweet liberal tears.
    I despise liberals. They are the worst people on earth. And I work with scores of them. Smug, uninformed, hypocritical, immune to cognitive dissonance, and utterly committed to ruthlessly policing word, thought and deed in others. If there were a button that, when pushed, would vaporize every one of ‘em, I’d jump on it with both feet.
    But until such a button is made available to me, I’ll vote Trump. If for no other reason than to watch liberals impotently rage against the stupidity of the deplorable red-state rube. And to enjoy the ineffable je ne sais quoi of their delicious tears as I do so.

    • Jud Jackson
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 7:07 am | Permalink


      Brilliant comment!! The only thing you left out about the Libs is that they are intellectual cowards.
      They won’t debate. They have no sense of reasoned argumentation, Rational dialogue or even the basic epistemic notion that you need evidence if you claim to know something. I am just glad that I went to University in the pre-politically correct days. I got a real education, an appreciation for the Western Classics, which is something these people will never have.

    • DP84
      Posted October 9, 2019 at 11:01 am | Permalink

      @Despicable Me:

      As someone who is not going to vote for Trump and who sees no strategic value in voting for him, yours is the one truly valid reason to vote for Trump. Nothing petty about it unless someone thinks the Liberals/Radicals can actually be reasoned with, which they can’t be.

  10. dolph9
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    What are you guys actually hoping for? Counted properly, the United States already has some 130 million non whites, with more added yearly even during Trump.

    You can certainly hope for many things, but for the United States to become white is simply not one of them anymore. That is never coming back, in any conceivable timeframe. There is never going to be any mass back to Africa, Mexico, or Asia movement.

    Here is my prediction: for the remainder of the lifetime of everyone reading this post, the system will continue. It will be more of the same, even for 30, possibly 40 years. Beyond that it’s difficult to see, but not for reasons of race alone, but the population/resource malthusian equation.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 2:18 am | Permalink

      Yes, because you acknowledge that it was possible for these people to come here, but you deny it is possible for them to leave.

      • Posted October 8, 2019 at 3:06 am | Permalink

        Hi Greg.

        Get back to me when Trump (who is a Jew-puppet) starts telling people to leave. When he starts telling Jews to leave, I may start believing he has the best interests of White America at heart.

        Until then, he is just a Kike-puppet, like all the rest of his Kosher AIPAC/ADL ass-kissing predecessors.

    • Douglas
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 5:27 am | Permalink

      The burn it all down crowd better realize your children and grandchildren will likely suffer a hell of a time. Yes things will continue to get worse regardless of who is there, but buying more time may allow more solutions. If you think the military has enough good conservative whites to help us take it from a man with currently 39 years military experience. The military is a far cry from what it was just 10 years ago. Also Google what our troops did to their own following WWI.

      • Richard
        Posted October 8, 2019 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

        You make some valid points. Yes, another term will buy us time to create — and hopefully implement solutions to address our concerns. I completely agree with you concerning how the military is perceived by white Conservatives. I’ve spent significant time throughout my career in military circles and I’ll reiterate your observations concerning today’s Armed Forces — they’ve become inundated with cultural Marxists and overrun by political correctness. The modern “soldier” isn’t a clean-cut Conservative who embraces traditionalism, but rather an ink-covered Progressive who embraces modernism. The “men” aren’t men and the “women” aren’t women in today’s military. The recent recruiting ads in the UK are a perfect example of the ilk being sought to join Western Armed Forces.

      • Viv
        Posted October 9, 2019 at 6:04 am | Permalink

        “buying more time”

        What solutions did we come up with over the past 3 years with Trump?

        • Richard
          Posted October 9, 2019 at 11:39 am | Permalink

          If we apply logic to the first three years of Trump’s presidency, the answer to your question would be none. Our success was the “Shock and Awe” of Trump winning the White House. We made a lot of noise — just as our military did with their “Shock and Awe” campaign against Iraq in 2003. Yes, these events garnered a lot of attention, but what have they accomplished? They’re strikingly similar as both accomplished nothing and have proven to be regressive in terms of their initial platforms.

          I’m an optimist, but also a realist. I was supportive of Trump, but with reservations.

  11. Rhodok
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    I guess it all comes down to the question: Can we turn this ship around or do we have to let it run onto the rocks?

    If we want to avoid the rocks, Trump is all we have (in the next election).

    I myself am still torn, on my blacker day’s I do not believe that the rocks can be avoided. Then again on my good day’s I believe there is still hope.

    Any way, I find it highly ironic that the left is trying so hard to take Trump down, while he is their only chance left on a slow deflation of their bubble.

    I wonder if there are any democrats that (secretly) see this too…

  12. John McKenna
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 3:35 am | Permalink

    Funnily enough I just got blocked out of Facebook today due to “suspicious activity” which is a little surprising because I’m not on there very often and I am careful to keep my posts very clean though still on message.

    I said this much when people were going off about Andrew Yang. Despite what he says he would still be a Democrat and would gain nothing by resisting pressure to persecute WNs. Trump buys us a little more time but that’s all. There will never be another Nationalist President unless grassroot support goes mainstream. A new and better Nationalist President for 2024 is probably what we need more than anything but it looks like we’re further than ever from making that a reality as ultimately the establishment get their people in the positions that make things happen (or not).

  13. Douglas
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    I work alongside a black man who listens to CNN MSNBC all day. He hates Trump passionately. He believes Trump is bringing the klan back. Honest, he really does. For that reason alone I will have to vote for Trump.

    • Richard
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 10:51 am | Permalink

      That must make for some long, unbearable days in the torture camber [work]. Good luck in your dealings with this indoctrinated fool.

    • S
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

      Sounds like a great reason to me!

  14. Viv
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    “You may think this is bad, but it would get a hell of a lot worse under a Democrat.”

    Even if Trump wins in 2020, there will be a Democrat in the White House in 2024. So whatever you think is coming in a Warren Presidency is coming in a Kamala Presidency in 2024.

    What are you people going to accomplish during Trump’s second term that immunizes you to what’s coming in 2024? You should be doing that now instead of worrying about whether Trump wins an election.

    • Rhodok
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 9:39 am | Permalink

      Even if Trump wins in 2020, there will be a Democrat in the White House in 2024.

      Given the sheer idiocy of the dems, will there even be a dem party in 2024?
      2024 is a long way off, lots can -and will- happen until then.
      (A rift between classical liberals and SJWs is not unlikely)

      • Viv
        Posted October 9, 2019 at 6:15 am | Permalink

        The top Dem candidates all lead Trump in polling. And it is extremely rare for a party to win 3 Presidential elections in a row. There will be a Democrat coming soon enough.

        There are no “classical liberal” democrats outside the media. Seriously–the DNC is not remotely about to implode.

  15. Senhorbotero
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Trump has been branded a White Nationalist. If he goes down it will be perceived as a mass rejection of whiteness and all politics built around it by society. It will bring with it a demoralization of those seeking to preserve the nation and the people who built it. Trump losing the election will be used again white people for ages to come. This cannot be allowed to happen.

  16. Richard
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    I’m extremely disappointed in Trump, but the author’s argument is one that’s viable. Yes, Trump will buy us some time – but what will we do during the next four years with that additional time? What have we done since Trump has been elected? We had an influential movement that was garnering attention and supporters across the globe leading up to the election of Trump. Nonetheless, we’ve become painstakingly mute and idle since Trump has become President of the United States of America – and so has Trump.

    Our borders have become more fluid under Trump than any prior president. Trump has dropped more bombs in the Middle East during his first two years in office than any of the prior presidents did during their entire time in office. Big Tech censorship and monopolization are spiraling out of control, yet Trump has done nothing – and those who’ve been censored the most are the ones who’ve helped put him in the White House. Trump has allowed us to be railroaded at Charlottesville – both during and afterwards. Furthermore, Antifa has grown to become a dangerous and influential paramilitary proxy to the DOJ and globalists organizations – yet Trump has declined to label them as a terrorist organization. Moreover, there has never been an administration or president so deeply in bed with Israel than the Trump Administration. President Trump doesn’t put America first; he puts Israel first.

    Whether one should vote to re-elect President Trump depends on many of variables. If you live in a state that’s going to be close, then vote for the President. If Trump has little to no chance of winning your state, then vote based on your convictions – and perhaps write in a candidate who has our best interests in mind. One particular man comes to mind that ran as the candidate for the American Freedom Party in 2012 – Merlin Miller. We need someone like Mr. Miller to lead this country.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 11:56 am | Permalink

      The American Freedom Party? Didn’t they nominate Bob Whitaker in 2016 and thrn campaign for Trump?

      • Richard
        Posted October 8, 2019 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

        I don’t believe that the AFP officially nominated a candidate in 2016. But yes, they did support Trump and Populist Movements — both domestically and in Europe.

    • Rhodok
      Posted October 8, 2019 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

      I’m extremely disappointed in Trump

      Did you expect a revolution?

      To go from “everybody come on in” to “get out” you have to pass through several stages. Expecting to go from one to the other in a single term is unrealistic.

      During the next election the wall will be being build, the influx of migrants will have slowed down considerably. But hey, to get the full package you will need to elect Trump again… otherwise Trump would have made himself superfluous in a single term… he is more shrewd than any politician I have ever seen performing…

  17. FrenchRoyalist
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    I agree it would be better if Trump win again.
    But this question is quite off – topic.
    He can’t.

    1-Florida is lost
    2-11millions of non-deported (Trump’s promess “day one”) wil vote Dem
    3-usual Dem massive frauds

  18. Digital Samizdat
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m basically in agreement with the author: Trump may be far from ideal, but at the moment he’s all we’ve got.

    My question is: Have any of you given some thought to running MAGA-type candidates for the House and Senate next year? One of the biggest problems with Trump right now is that he’s all alone in there in Washington. He could use a little help …

    • Digital Samizdat
      Posted October 9, 2019 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

      BTW, a interesting idea just occurred to me: If Trump actually manages to make his Syrian pull-out stick this time, I suggest we nominate him for the Nobel Peace Prize this year! I realize he would have no chance of winning, but the Nobel Committee is so effed-up with political correctness that they deserve a little trolling. (Remember how O’Bomber got the prize like 6 months after his inauguration–just for making a speech about nuclear disarmament!–and then went on to start wars in Libya, Syria and Ukraine?)

  19. newworldanglo
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    I think the author is correct.

    I would add, we should try to support better republicans like Josh Hawley to become more prominent and influential.

  20. Buck Daniels
    Posted October 8, 2019 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    This piece is pragmatically correct. However, the strongest right-wing criticism of Trump isn’t pragmatic.

    The problem with conservativism is that it always loses in the end. This is why many identitarians of the right are not conservativism. But what is it that makes conservativism lose? It’s pragmatism.

    Conservatives always pay the Danegeld, because in the short-run, paying the Danegeld is always — mathematically — the best thing to do… just like turning in your buddy in the classical game-theory “prisoner’s dilemma” (this is also something conservatives love to do). But pragmatism loses in the long-run, especially against a thought-through strategy. The Democrats have invested tremendous amounts of time and attention in long-term strategies (namely, in schools and unions).

    I’m not saying reading Siege is the answer, but more pragmatism (“he’s the best we’ve got”) is a sure path to losing. I think that the better long-term plan for victory is to force the other side to have skin in the game. Their policies are only viable because the ones who implement them can avoid the consequences if things go south. Californians turn their state into a communist hell-hole, can’t stand the consequences, so they leave, never understanding why their state became so terrible. They don’t learn because they can escape.

    The right-wing path forward should be the equivalent of mercilessly shoving the dog’s nose in the urine-stain, or forcing the rebellious teen to smoke a whole pack in one sitting. Accelerate. That is the only way to knock whites out of their moralistic comfort and force them to accept reject the lies that a comfortable world permits.

    If the lies last long enough, then the slow, certain death occurs. Compromise leads to a tipping point and a permanent leftist victory, even if we get a few good zingers in via Trump’s twitter feed in the meantime. The only POSSIBLE path to victory (victory = viable nationalism for whites in America) is doubling down and forcing an ideological confrontation.

    What this means. Vote for Kamala Harris. Organize, and pass referendums to house homeless people in City Councilers’ homes. Work to move tent-cities into gated communities. If they complain or get pissy, roast them on the fact that this is exactly what they have been doing to their fellow Americans for 50 years, without the slightest moral qualms. Be subtle in the build-up, and brutal in the execution. Leaflet neighborhoods with the names and faces of prominent leftist politicians who refused to house migrants in their homes, labeling them hypocrites and racists. And through all this, keep Webzines like Counter-Currents going. People will come. It will take time, but all good strategies take time. The North’s Anaconda strategy took time, but it worked. The Russian’s scorched earth strategy in 1812 took time, but it worked. Karpov and Petrosian, playing chess, take time, but they work. The left took its time in the “march through the institutions,” but it worked.

    Trump is a quick fix, a short-cut. He’s a classic American temptation: “lose 15 pounds in 1 week!” except, “completely upend your enemy’s hundred year strategy with a single Tweet!” He’s an easy out and a distraction from the hard work that is necessary to actually win.

    The argument against Trump isn’t some misguided sense of justice: “he didn’t fulfill his promises, so I’m not voting for him!” The argument against voting for Trump is this: not only is he not an answer to our problems — he isn’t even on our side. Moreover, the best thing we could do for our chances of long-term success is for the worst of the worst of the other side to get into power. Someone like AOC.

    P.S., this may or may not be a strong argument, but it IMO is a much STRONGER argument against voting for Trump than the one presented in this piece. If there is a good anti-accelerationist argument (lack of time, incrementalism, etc), would be good to read.

  21. R_Moreland
    Posted October 9, 2019 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.” – Saul Alinsky rule for radicals #1.

    The thing about Trump is not the actual policies he has implemented. It’s what the Left thinks he is implementing. They believe Trump to be the incarnation of a resurgent White Nationalism even if his administration has been closer to Conservatism Inc. Just consider how much of the Left’s energies (and sanity!) are tied up in the campaign to impeach the President.

    The last three years have exposed the contradictions of the System. The Left is discrediting itself with its ideological conformity and violence. The machinations of the American Deep State have been brought into the daylight. Conservatism Inc has obviously failed.

    Realistically speaking, if not Trump who else will cause such disruption? And if not in 2020 then when else can such metapolitical mayhem be stirred up?

    Within this context, the Dissident Right has room to maneuver if it organizes to exploit the situation. There are 13 months in which to implement tactics for the 2020 election, to polarize the System, to ridicule its contradictions, to make the minions of the System tremble before the rise of the Dissident Right, perceived or real.

    Think about it.

  22. Posted October 9, 2019 at 3:10 pm | Permalink


    President Trump fucking sucks but I’ll still almost certainly knock on doors for him next round just like I did last time. It bites, but it sure beats doing time for Hate Speech.

  23. Sternhelm
    Posted October 9, 2019 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Fuck Drumpf. He should’ve done a Beer Hall putsch after Charlottesville but instead he promoted the Jew. Better to die under a Democrat than live under a Republican liar. Read Siege.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted October 9, 2019 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

      I can’t tell if you are joking, and that’s a problem.

  24. drogger
    Posted October 11, 2019 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    There are plenty of valid reasons to not vote Trump, but the least of them is “punishing Trump.”

    We don’t win whether he wins or loses. We may only lose less if he wins. Some consolation – and a very conservative outlook.

    No thanks.

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