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Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 252
The Siege of Scandza
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Greg Johnson and Frodi Midjord talk about their experiences inside and outside antifa siege of the Scandza Forum in Copenhagen on October 12, 2019.
- 0:00: Introduction
- 0:08: Donations
- 5:07: The Scandza Forum’s 2019 Copenhagen event
- To contact Frodi, write to [email protected].
- More information on The Scandza Forum, Oslo, November 2, 2019 here
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We have known, not since Charlottesville, not since the 2015 Trump Rallies, not since the 90’s or 80’s, but perhaps even as far back as the 70’s and 60’s that the police is not to be relied upon when ensuring the safety of those outside of the conventional Right. To balk at predictable behavior from our usual enemies seems a bit redundant. All we can rely upon to defend ourselves is ourselves, fully within the realm of legality, perhaps not with weapons but with what they cannot take away from us, that being our bare hands, if necessary. This is why physical fitness is crucial to the New Right everywhere. Maybe next time the organizers of Scandza would do well to consider asking for a security corridor by its own members – if you’re willing to bleed from the wallet but not from the face for your ideals, can you even be considered a true believer?
As mentioned, any attempt to defend oneself will be spun by the media and the authorities as an attack. Not only do we not have the cops on our side, we don’t have the justice system either. I don’t suppose I am suggesting anything new to you.
What we should have at any events are volunteers to film and photograph everything. Guests should arrive at the event with a chaperone / guard(s) who film any altercations or intimidation by the commies, copies of which can be used in court if necessary. Other volunteers should stand outside the event and film everything. These can be put online and used by our army of autists to try to identify specific members of the local antifa group so that they can be held accountable, particularly where they injure someone.
Given the consistency with which these antifa groups disrupt such events, proving they are the aggressors should not be difficult for a half-decent lawyer armed with video documentation of events all around the world. Obviously we can’t expect them to pay much for their crimes, given the state of things, but we can at least defend ourselves from spurious accusations if we take the right precautionary measures.
Footage is meaningless when the media lies about it anyway. They will have their own footage to counteract yours. They will distort and frame it in a way that will make you look like the bad guy. So what’s left to do except simply giving up or fighting back?
The optics war is better left to the internet, while in the moment it’s important to hold ones own and not be cowed by these millennial twinks and their blood and piss colored flags. Let them beat us, since they will anyway, and let us beat them back, since the alternative is sitting there, taking it, and crying about it.
Fighting back will look better on the cameras than complaining, anyway. It makes you look like men who will fight for their beliefs. And as long as you look respectable and eloquent while doing it and not like a poorly dressed bald cross-eyed tattooed obese idiot like so many of the skinhead thugs that the media was so in love with back in the 90’s, the outsider will be less likely to blindly side against you, especially in the current climate of media distrust.
Agree. I’ve just spent an hour facepalming.
If non-EU citizens don’t want to risk a Schengen ban, it’s understandable. But every EU citizen should have been outside the venue confronting the antifa.
Well said. The police are the same the world over. There is a lawful right to steward one’s own meetings. In regard to other suggestions about prosecution of opposition through the legal system, how much time and money should be expended in the courts trying to get a wrist-slap for some pathetic antifa creep? Further, if defending one’s own activities when physically attacked is bad media visuals then those who are influenced by such things are not worth crap anyway. What is bad media visuals is the sight of Rightists relying for their ‘protection’ on police to hold back sunken chested, round shouldered dregs. The Yellow Vests in France have shown real guts, as have certain other present day outfits such as Casa Pound.
Greg, to be clear, my monthly credit card donation did post before the deplatforming occurred, but I’m assuming subsequent payments will not go through now and that I should therefore switch to paper checks sent through the mail. Is this correct?
Yes please do that. Thanks for your support.
Doesn’t Jared Taylor use a court order to secure the police presence at his AmRen conferences?
The Anita are being used as the attack-dogs of the liberal hegemony. No respectable politician or journalist wants to be seen openly going forth to ‘bash the fash’ at this point. It is better to employ a street army of ‘protesters’ who can be given free rein by police and reported sympathetically.
At this juncture it is difficult for the dissident right to respond effectively. Until we can receive effective backing from some other quarter, be patriotic buisinessmen or sympathisers in the police and military, we cannot engage in street battles that will only tarnish our image further. For now we must sit tight and wage the war of ideas.
If we are correct, the multiculturalist hegemony will become increasingly fractious and will implode, at which point the already fraying patience of the masses will be snap and the opportunity will present for our programme to restore sanity and order.
“The Anita are being used as the attack-dogs of the liberal hegemony. No respectable politician or journalist wants to be seen openly going forth to ‘bash the fash’ at this point. It is better to employ a street army of ‘protesters’ who can be given free rein by police and reported sympathetically.”
As far as I can see, the Antifa has only been described sympathetically at its own sites. Apart from calling Scandza a “national socialist forum” the MSM seem to have covered the occasion in a rather neutral manner.
One example is the local channel TV2 which shows some pictures of the confrontations between the Antifa in their black hoodies and the police. It also reports that four of the “demonstrators” were arrested and that the crowd eventually was surrounded by the police.
Maybe these antifascists have managed to deter some nationalists from attending future Scandza events. But since their looks and behavior are appalling to most people, the overall effect will probably favor their enemies.
https://www.tv2lorry.dk/artikel/antidemonstration-blokerer-hoejrenationalistisk-konference-i-koebenhavn
Show up as Stalinists and kick their asses under a red banner is one solution floated by the TDS big brains
There’s a certain logic to it. According to Australia’s XYZ website, there’s trouble a-brewing between the Trots/Antifa on the one hand and Stalinist/Maoist/tankies on the other.
https://www.xyz.net.au/food-for-thought-tankies-terrorise-trotskyites-as-right-wing-reach-rises/
For the love of God. Do not go out looking for fights under any banner.
Well, consider that this is actually a better alternative for those few considering the use of firearms against the innocent.
Just to be clear, I’m not supporting the proposal. Seems like pretending to be a group that you’re not is a flawed basis for any action – at any time.
The timing of the reported tension between left factions and this thought bubble is coincidental though..
Since Antifa likes to cover their faces, could this be used an advantage by dressing high-profile members as Antifa until they could get close enough to the venue to enter? Or is it possible to get to the venue hours earlier, before these losers can drag themselves out of bed? It’s frustrating that their tactics are so effective at preventing us from speaking.
By all means, wade into the pile of manure if you want to be surrounded by queers, drug addicts, informants, and undercover cops. Just don’t complain when you get shit on your shoe.
Isn’t the outcome worth the cost? We are at war with a much more powerful opponent, and guerrilla tactics may have to be used at least for now. Once we are reduced to a minority in our homelands, the next few generations will have to deal with things much worse than shit on their shoes.
very long photoseries of the ANTIFA in Copenhagen.
http://www.uriasposten.net/archives/105115
Some thoughts…
It says something about the perceived Nationalist “threat” that the System is responding with the full spectrum of repression: censorship, job terminations, trumped up court cases, violence against conferences, etc. The System is dissipating its political capital, built up since at least World War II, as being the defender of freedom. Instead, it is increasingly exposing its repressive nature.
The strategic question: how can Nationalists exploit this situation?
Look at the bigger picture. It’s not just Nationalists who are being repressed. Mainstream conservatives and the US firearms lobby are under the gun via de-platformings and de-financialization. We’ve seen leftists physically attack Trump supporters at the recent rally in Minneapolis, with antecedents going back to 2016 at Chicago and San Jose. And let’s not overlook situations such as Portland.
Can Nationalists form an alliance with the mainstream against the common threat?
The obvious approach is to show mainstreamers that they are just as much a target of Leftist violence as are Nationalists. And then have a plan for a united front to defend freedom across the spectrum (a similar case can be made for IT de-platformings). But for whatever perverse reasons, mainstream conservatives see the Nationalist Right as more of a social threat than the violent Left. Look at the recent purging of Ashley St Clair over the “crime” of being photographed with a rising young Nationalist video personality. Presumably, Conservatism Inc considers a photo op a far greater threat than Trump rally goers being physically assaulted!
I’d contrast this situation with Leftists who are guided by the diktat pas d’ennemis a gauche (no enemies to the left).
There’s the tactics. For Nationalists to push a narrative about leftwing violence can be demoralizing by forcing victim status onto the Right. i.e., why do the Left’s job of psychological terrorism for them? The critical thing is to make the Nationalist side look strong, not weak, then rally alienated mainstreamers.
Part of the dilemma is that Nationalist-aligned forces which have taken it to the streets have come under state repression (cf the Rise Above Movement). Given the antagonism of antifa to the police, you’d think that the cops would resent being given orders to stand down where the Left is clearly the aggressor. But it’s the politicos who give the orders to the cops who are the issue, as we have seen from Copenhagen to Charlottesville.
You figure, the Republican national organization has the money, the lawyers and the connections to mobilize for action. In the wake of Minneapolis (and Chicago, and etcetera) the Republicans could launch lawsuits against the Leftist mob organizers over civil rights violations, as well as the city of Minneapolis for criminal negligence. The Republicans might consider a return to Minneapolis, this time with their own media and lawyers, and a contingent of street activists to protect their people. Most likely, they will not.
If the Conservative establishment is hopeless, there are many among the rank and file who would come over to the Nationalist side if a viable alternative were to be presented.
Finally, there’s the question of Donald Trump. You’d think the President would be directing the Department of Justice towards charging the Minneapolis antifa and city government with various conspiracy violations. Is there someone out there with insight about why he is not backing up his own people? A major strategic goal: to turn this situation around at the level of the White House.
There’s an opportunity here for Nationalists to take the leadership as the standard bearer for freedom. Of course, this gets back to the matter of having the resources to back up the strategy.
Means do not yet match ends, not by a long shot.
Plenty of organizing to be done…
Ha ha ! I have faced ANTIFA personally in the streets. Mostly social science academics, malcontents, and labor gangsters. Plus a smattering of naive leftists. Surrounded, I knew that the cops were watching as I was assaulted. Waiting for me to defend myself against these puny humans. There is no justice for us, only prosecution and persecution. That’s why I created the Cincinnati Protocol.
Greg and Frodi or any other attendees, you mention that you’d like us to share what happened in Copenhagen with people who may be able to help in some way.
Could you please create some written summary of what happened from the Scandza perspective including what you might want to achieve legally, or what you want to emphasis, or what you want to happen next time etc? Preferably in English but Danish also ok.
The person I am thinking of contacting won’t have the time to listen to this hour long podcast (which I enjoyed btw)
Scandza disrupted by Auntie Fay, Same old, same old!
Since I was not present, I cannot offer an opinion of what should or should not have been done. However, the publicly reported circumstances of the incident are enough to raise a number of questions—and suspicions—in the mind of anyone with an elementary knowledge of security procedures…
Allow me to express a few general thoughts, which are in agreement with Vauquelin’s but not, I think, redundant—
The routine disruption of our gatherings by feeble punks inspired such a sense of humiliation, such frustration in our ranks that the bitch-slapping of a dread locked upper-middle ass tartlet came to be regarded as as the greatest European victory since Lepanto. That incident and similar ones (“Based Stick Man,” et al.) whetted the taste for retaliation that led to the Charlottesville folly. Next thing you know, somebody does a Baruch Goldstein job on a synagogue.
It seems that we react in every way except that which enemy fears: By simply protecting ourselves.
Oppressed people have a natural to violence. Ours can be channelled into something useful and needed: a disciplined security force to protect our gatherings from violence and disruption. I am not proposing a Sturmabteilung. I am thinking of something along the lines of Farrakhan’s FOI, only better. We need a force that meets professional standards. If we are not capable of that simple organisational task, we might as well say good-bye to politics and go fishing.
Vauquelin is right that one must keep in shape. (Personally, I do not lift anything unless I am getting paid for it.) But do not put great faith in a muscle-machine physique. The mob always has the advantage. Real life is not Douglas Fairbanks whipping his way through a troop of celluloid villains. Even fully-equipped riot squads can be routed. On the other hand, an old man or a young woman can take down a mouthy coon or two. I have seen it happen many times. In any case, physical confrontation is only part of the security question, often not even the main part.
In most locations, it is possible to recruit a security force from our own ranks. We have the manpower. Ask your self this question: How would my own military, police, legal, medical, or other experience be of use here? How many people do I know who are good in a sticky situation, and which of them would be available for service in a security unit? What facilities can I provide?
A security force must never forget its Objective. That objective is not to crack empty heads, but to ensure that the assembly proceed as planned. The main thing is not to make trouble, but to prevent trouble.
Security of person is important. One must be able to guarantee participants that. Otherwise, one might just as well not hold the gathering.
Security of place, however, is the starting point. Choose a location that is unattractive to potential disrupters, with provision for exit and entrance in the case that it is besieged. Decoy locations, emergency transportation, and, of course, legal and medical stand-by personnel is a further consideration.
I could write a treatise on this subject. But as Yockey said of political tactics: “Such matters are better discussed in word than print.”
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