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Lobster Man Bad:
A Reply to Jordan Peterson Regarding Nationalism
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Ethnic pride and taking pride in one’s ancestral achievements is wrong, according to Jordan Peterson, because they weren’t things you did yourself, and therefore you don’t get to take pride in that. In fact, it’s a burden.
This is nonsense. When one takes on the burden of one’s ancestors, you are owning their achievements, both the good and the bad, and pride in such things is not a moral judgement. It is a form of responsibility, and moreover the cherishing of one’s responsibility towards our past as we head into the future.
His attack on nationalism and the “unearned gift” of pride in your ancestors was the first thing that made me question Peterson. I still liked him at the time, but I remember thinking that he wasn’t making sense. If I am a genetic and cultural manifestation of my ancestors’ legacy – which I am – then I can take pride in my ancestors and what they did, because if they had not done those things, I would not exist to manifest those qualities. Thus, taking pride of what lives inside me, and lived inside them, makes logical and biological sense. I am, in other words, expressing my gratitude for my existence and those who made it possible. It is, in a way, an existential form of worship, a metaphysical burden to shoulder with a smile and a flutter in the heart when one realizes that we are carrying our entire heritage within our bodies, and that we can pass it along to others. This transcends the individual.
Within me blooms all of my ancestors and their traits. I am not merely me, but also them. I am a link in a chain, but I am also the chain itself. In fact, I am more chain than link, since I am in a way as much myself as I am all of those who made me through their life’s work. My ancestors gifted me with everything that I am. To take pride in this is natural, and there is nothing immoral about it. I will pass this very same lineage on to my own children, and raise them to be proud of it!
From birth, you were given something deeper than merely the physical processes of the body you possess. You are a summation of everything that came before you. Honor your heritage, and create a lineage worth passing on, just as your ancestors did; manifest the voices and traits of a thousand successful ancestors responsibly and with pride.
It is ironic that Jordan Peterson’s icon is the lobster. Aren’t lobsters taken away from their pod and slowly boiled to death in a pot of water? Hasn’t the West been targeted in the same way? Are we not in a pot, ready to boil? Peterson wants you to be isolated from your heritage and community and slowly boiled without posing a threat to anything other than your bedroom’s hygiene level. Nationalism and ethnic pride are wrong, he says, because you are but a mere individual facing the universe alone. But this is untrue. Simply by virtue of being human, you are more than yourself and more than a mere individual. Know who you are, honor it, and be proud as you take your rightful place in the chain that runs from your forefathers to your descendants, and pass on what was passed on to you.
Keep in mind what Peterson is doing when he puts people off nationalism: he is trying to prevent his Gamma audience from becoming fully-integrated social beings, rendering them nothing more than atomized individuals. If his audience was to become nationalist, they would no longer have a need for him – his advice, books, and world tours. Get back in the pot, bucko. It’s nice and warm in there.
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Clean your room bucko, don’t organize like your enemy does.
Jordan Perterson is an anti-White propagandist spouting a combination of commonsense and nonsense.
“Ethnic pride and taking pride in one’s ancestral achievements is wrong, according to Jordan Peterson, because they weren’t things you did yourself, and therefore you don’t get to take pride in that. In fact, it’s a burden.”
You take pride, or shame, in what your family members and extended tribe did because they are related genetically, and therefore you share their attributes for good or worse.
White nationalism is as natural as supporting your own family.
Thank you.
You’re exactly spot on with everything you wrote, thank you for reading katana.
Peterson is not a lobster but a snake, and a fraud. He is not the only one, there is a large class of
“you tubers” with a similar approach as Peterson, only they are not as well read and successful. Their “recipe” to attract the viewers (and direct them toward their Patreon account) is to forcefully bash what they call “the Left” (progressives, feminists, SJWs, etc.) and thus, initially, to appear as “against the system”. They are people who have understood that there is a market for this, that there are a lot of people unhappy with the system, and this market can be monetized.
But as you listen to them cracks being to appear. Their moral frame, you infer from what they say because they rarely put it forward explicitly, turns out to be just as Liberal as that of the ‘Leftists’ they are so dramatically criticizing. Their approach is Cuckservatism 2.0, a better polished and rejuvenated Cuckservatism. They proclaim themselves pompously as being on the ‘Right’ merely because what they adhere to is Classical-Liberalism not the state-sponsored Liberalism (as is the case of the’Progressive-Left’ which they attack).
It is not a principled and moral defense against Leftism what they offer, but it fraudulently sounds like being one and this in turn attracts the viewers, it is the same liberal moral paradigm which they offer as their would be opponents on the ‘left’. They are subtle defenders of the system.
The “good news” is that the system has become so nervous lately that these ‘grifters’ have started being banned too. The system is in a crisis and it is no longer interested in subtle defense and strategic misdirection. Anything except immediate and explicit agreement is hammered down.
I have still not gotten around to reading him, or watching the you tube stuff, as his seemingly instant popularity and availability in regular bookshops put me off. I have flicked through his book on life rules or whatever, and could not find anything to get excited about. He has recently however been purged from a major bookstore chain in New Zealand, for an association with Islamophobes.
This excellent article has confirmed what I assumed – he is a ‘classical liberal’ , as Ovidiu states, as far removed from the Right as the leftist version (which were both manifested during the Jacobin era). So are Molyneux and Southern, albeit still of much value, but confusing Classical Liberalism with the Right is a major problem, that needs to be purged from the Right.
Even if culture is not a biological inheritance, but a historical inheritance, as per Spengler and Yockey, it is nonetheless the accumulation, maintenance and bequeathing of shared collective experiences.
He’s a bit more cunning the average classical liberal insofar as he plays footsy with the idea of traditionalism talking about Jungian thought and implying all the time that his worldview is non-materialist. It also worth mentioning when deciding what the right should think of Dr Peterson, is that he works with the Trilateral Commission, suggests that “moderate leftists” can learn from the advice of Leon Trotsky, regularly attacks right-wing identitarians as collectivists. In conclusion, I think Jordan Peterson is a shape-shifting tool who designed his career to misdirect those who were either leaving the intersectional left or about to join the nationalist to join his globalist (in all but name) classical liberal movement. Lastly, as a side note his best friends are Dave Rubin, Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris all rabid Zionists.
Culture by definition is only a historical inheritance and so the accumulation, maintenance and bequeathing of shared collective experiences.
Why you talk about satire?
Why don’t you even have the capacity to cite a quote correctly?
To me, it seems arguments such as Peterson’s are only a pillar of the nature vs. nurture discussion. His claim, that a White today can have no pride in the achievement of previous Whites, is the opposite side of the coin, which is that non-Whites are not responsible for the dysfunctional societies and cultures that they and their racial ancestors create(d).
That Whites in the past did not create the Western Civilization (99% of all math/science/arts accomplishment) due to any racial mental traits at work but were supposedly just lucky in some way.
Conversely, non-Whites had virtually nothing to do with the math/sci/arts of the world not because they don’t have the mental traits to make/do it, but supposedly due to some bad luck of sorts; namely the evil machinations of Whitey.
All this requires, of course, a political corruption of the academic subject of history, rewritten and cherry picked, then weaponized and turned on Whites. My experience with just college graduates, not the public at large, has been that there has been a lot of success by the political LEFT (ringleaders = jews) in doing such. Unfortunately.
I just read an article at American Greatness about some liberal gal who went to a place in Ireland that speaks Gaelic and is trying to preserve their old ways. I beleive their old ways are an expression of the chain and links you describe. The article of course frets over “good” and “bad” “nativism” as the author seem unable to come to grips with what nationalism means. It is compared in the article to someone choosing one type of cake to eat the rest of your life or munching on whatever cake/religion/ notions you feel like un encumbered with “submission” to a single cake. The whole article seemed a curious mixture of half fearful apology and giddy freedom to be exploring an utterly new idea, that of “bad nativism”. This article perfectly describes what seems beyond these “liberals/libertarians” who measure us in economic units or in the most superficial sips of culture and heritage. Even the comments were a flurry of anxious pleas to keep the largest variety of cakes. I am glad however, that once the scales fall from ones eyes, they can never be replaced.
Martin Armstrong who is a a successful financial guru and advisor wrote in his blog:
While the Democrats have officially killed the Trump agenda, what they fail to understand is that this is also the destruction of their agenda as well. There will no longer be a government of ALL the people, it is now a government of us v them. That is how civilization dies. It defeats the entire purpose of forming societies. Politics has become a confrontation to impose tyranny upon your opponent. The very core of socialism is to deny individual freedom. The state comes first – the individual second. Everything the American Revolution stood for is now completely overturned.
Peterson is a major-league hypocrite. If he is so learned, he must know that most of east Asia practises ancestor-worship.
He must also know of the bullshit ‘We wuz Kangs’ blacks are full of bs, and of the bs of black nationalism outside sub-Saharan Africa, is diametrically opposed to is own crap. Yet he specifically makes white men a target here.
I recently read an article by Anne Coulter which stated that 39 Hispanic and African men were taken in for public masturbation on the subway system in Jew Yawk, I forget the time frame, but it seems to be a trend there.
All released without charge. One can bet that, in almost all cases, the act was a threat against a white woman. If there is an exception, it will be east Asian women.
Well, a comment in defense of Peterson.
If you really read his books or listened to him on youtube, you would change your opinion. Peterson constantly reminds us to “listen carefully” and yet we do not.
What he told about white race is not that it is a burden in a way that a leftist would imply. He told it precisely in the sense of great responsibility, in the sense that we are obliged not to fail it, not to let it down.
How can you not understand that he cannot (and must not) make it more political, for he tries to speak to both Right and Left about sound conservative principles – our principles. Once he says he is a conservative, the poor young white boys and girls on the Left will reject to listen to him at once.
I am now reading his “12 Rules for Life” and it is a totally right-wing book. He defends the Tradition, tries to show the nihilistic young people that Religion and Myth are something more than they have been taught and do, in fact, convey a very deep, serious meaning that is worth cherishing. He is totally against communism and socialism. He is certainly pro-family, pro-culture, pro-tradition.
And you got insulted at the comment about proud whiteness.
But I hope, I really do hope that it is not the only thing that holds us together. I hope that we all here stand for a moral order, as described by Burke (who was not really a Whig), I hope that we stand here for the world of “reason, and order, and peace, and virtue” that is something very different from the egalitarian plans of the Left. And Peterson is certainly with us in it.
Racial principles, if we rely too heavily on them, if we make them the only pillars of our temple, may be corrupted and may ruin the temple. We have to have sound moral principles, moral order in the foundation of the temple and Peterson popularizes the ideas related to it.
If it is only whiteness that holds us together – why, our movement is doomed.
Peterson’s icon is the lobster? That settles it: He is a ridiculous man.
To acknowledge the successes and failures of our ancestors is an embrace of truth, which honest people will agree is among the noblest acts a person can do. Or, would Peterson prefer that we live by lies by pretending that we are gods on earth, all other peoples are inferior to us and that the short-comings of our ancestors were only the indirect consequence of some misunderstanding or error caused by those inferior folk?
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