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Why I Don’t Support Tommy Robinson
Greg Johnson
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On Friday, May 25th, British anti-Muslim agitator Tommy Robinson was arrested outside Leeds Crown Court as he live-streamed accused members of a Muslim gang of child rapists who were entering the building for sentencing. After more than an hour, he was arrested.
He was then convicted of contempt of court. There were broad restrictions on reporting the trial until its conclusion. Violating this order could be used by the defendants’ lawyers to argue for a mistrial.
Yes, Robinson’s actions actually made it more likely the defendants would go free.
Robinson cannot, moreover, plead ignorance of the law, because last year he was arrested for the same offense at a gang-rape trial in Canterbury. In that case, his sentence was suspended under condition that he not reoffend for another 18 months. Because he violated the conditions of his suspended sentence, he was ordered to spend 13 months in jail. The judge also ordered that the case not be discussed in the press — probably because of the ongoing nature of the proceedings. Apparently, a new batch of defendants will be tried starting in September.
The fact that Robinson’s safety in jail is threatened by large numbers of non-white and Muslim prisoners is unfortunate. But that is not an argument against jailing him, since that would basically give him carte blanche to break the law with impunity. He should, however, receive special protection in jail.
There is understandably a great deal of distrust of the British government for their role in covering up the mass rape of white children by Muslim gangs. There is, furthermore, good reason to distrust the government for suppressing dissenting opinions on topics connected to race and immigration. So there has been an outcry in defense of Robinson, accusing the government of suppressing freedom of speech and covering up a scandal.
But we need to think this through.
No legal system is perfect. But outlawing contempt of court is not an illegitimate, Orwellian form of repression. Its purpose is to secure due process, on the assumption that this leads to justice. Again, by interfering in the court proceedings, Robinson actually made it less likely that the criminals will be punished. But he went to the courthouse anyway.
His motive is unclear. Given that he had already been arrested for the same offense, he clearly knew what he was doing. Thus he must have judged this publicity stunt worth the risk of setting a gang of child rapists free. That’s a breathtakingly selfish decision. I don’t see any way of avoiding the conclusion that Tommy Robinson is morally reckless and probably a bit stupid.
Tommy Robinson could have gone anywhere in the UK on Friday, May 25th to raise awareness of Muslim child rape gangs. But he chose to come to the one place where his presence might actually impede justice for the victims, not promote it. Mull that over a minute. It’s a rather amazing lapse of judgment.
Nationalists, therefore, should not be rushing to Tommy Robinson’s defense.
Loyalty to our team is admirable. But our first loyalty should be to our cause. And if people bring our cause into disrepute, we need to call them on it. Tommy Robinson has harmed the cause of justice for the victims of child rapists. He has made it harder, not easier, for these rape gangs to be successfully prosecuted.
White advocates have the whole system against us. Our only allies are truth and justice. Our greatest source of credibility is speaking the truth and defending justice.
But truth and justice are not on Tommy Robinson’s side. I hope he receives safe custody and the due process he would so casually deny others. But white advocates around the world need to guard our credibility, not squander it in what is essentially a white chimp-out based on the false premise that Tommy Robinson is a martyr for freedom of speech and the pursuit of justice for the victims of Muslim pedophile gangs. Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown were not innocent children martyred by racists. They were victims of their own poor judgment and reckless behavior. The same is true of Tommy Robinson.
The UK’s globalist, multiculturalist establishment is clearly resorting to totalitarian measures to retain its grip on power in the face of the horrific consequences of non-white immigration and the inevitable rise of white populism and nationalism. There are plenty of genuine cases in which the political establishment and press are covering up non-white crimes against whites. There are plenty of genuine cases of Orwellian censorship, surveillance, and persecution of pro-white dissidents in the UK. We should save our protests for real victims, not Tommy Robinson.
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143 comments
Robinson is anything but a “white advocate” he is a big supporter of the British Multicultural model. And he’s not a Nationalist either.
If Robinson is a big supporter of the Brit multicultural model, why would he be trying to expose and publicize the muslim rape gangs? I mean, I would think he would do the same as the other multiculturalists; do nothing to bring it to the public’s attention.
Perhaps because, one can at least hope, that the British Multicultural Model does not include industrial-scale gang-rape of White children by Muslims.
The British Multicultural Model does not advocate that muslims go out and gang rape White children but The Model certainly does not advocate vigorously exposing it and pointing fingers at the ones (muslims) that are doing it because the ones (muslims) doing it are the pet(s) of the Brit Multicultural Model i.e. the ones The Model want to flood this particular western society and turn it third world.
Just like here in the USA, the (jew dominated) news and entertainment media, who are four square for multiculturalism i.e. White destruction, are almost entirely silent as to who is committing the vast majority of violent crimes; negroes and meskins. Can’t go around exposing and socially criticizing the ones who are to be replacements of White Americans. Same kind of thing as in Britain.
So, again, if Robinson is a Brit Multiculturalist why would he be out publicizing who is doing all those rapes of British (i.e. White) girls?
Robinson is a Zionist. He is not racially motivated. He does have a family member whose life was destroyed by a Muslim rape gang.
The British Multicultural model does indeed advocate for industrial-scale gang rape of White girls. That is why the police facilitate it, and charge victims and their fathers who complain, with racism.
Excellent article Greg and a very interesting point about his actions perhaps causing an acquittal.
But could you please edit the first line where you call Robinson a ‘white advocate’ because that’s really factually incorrect. Robinson has said time and time again that he hates ‘neo-Nazis’ ‘racists’ etc., warns of the dangers of ‘far-right extremism’, calls the BNP racist and ‘wankers’ and basically is totally against any white person who looks out for white interests. He’s said that he would pass on details of any ‘racists’ to the police in the past as well.
A more correct description of him would be ‘anti-Jihadist campaigner’ or something similar because that, and now the Muslim child rape gangs, is all he concentrates on. He is totally against ethnonationalism so doesn’t think his own people have the right to their own homeland, considers any passing African or Asian to be just as English as Shakespeare and if Muslims could just stop blowing people up and raping children, Robinson wouldn’t have a problem with the Islamic demographic issue at all.
He must of forgot that when he defends and promotes Generation Identity.
Interesting how so many people have such energy to cause divisions based on stuff he said or did 9years ago.
Unfortunately, true.
Man… why do our good advocates shoot themselves in the foot so often, cf. Paul Nehlen (or maybe even take Heimbach if needs be)… just incredible.
Agreed that speaking truth is one of our strongest assets, but is defending justice one as well? Since we have to toe the line precisely to avoid prosecution while our enemies are allowed a free hand – and abetted – by the courts to bend and break the law, it does not seem to make much sense to “defend justice.” If we do so to appeal to any sympathetic, fair-minded whites watching us then I understand your tactic regarding this issue.
Given that previous sentence lengths for other Muslim rapists have been mockeries of justice, is your contention that public outrage will be deflected away from the insanity of the United Kingdom’s ruling institutions by Mr. Robinson’s actions should they be released with prejudice? My credulity is strained thinking that these invaders would get the book thrown at them for their crimes.
All the best.
My understanding is that:
Tommy Robinson was reporting on a trial that had already been concluded – the men involved were being sentenced, not tried.
With regards to filming, newspapers in Britain routinely carry photos of people both before and after they are convicted. I assume they are allowed to do so because they are sufficent distance from the court. Importantly, a clip exists of Robinson asking the officer outside the court where he could stand so he was outside the precincts of the court.
Moreover:
Robinson was arrested for breach of the peace – but that was not what he was accused of when he got to court.
Police told Robinson’s solicitor that Robinson was going to be released, so she did not travel to Leeds to represent him – consequently, Robinson was not represented by his usual brief (instead, he got a court solicitor, totally unsuitable given the political circumstances).
I agree that Robinson’s conduct last year, when he got his suspended sentence for filming suspects was foolish and wrong, but I regard him as in the right on this occasion.
Absolutely!. 100% agree!…
I read this much :-
On Friday, May 25th, UK white advocate Tommy Robinson was arrested outside Leeds Crown Court as he live-streamed accused members of a Muslim gang of child rapists entering the building for sentencing. After more than an hour, he was arrested.
He was then convicted of contempt of court………
Then I stopped to comment!!.
Already after a few lines I halted what I was reading because yet again the wording and terminology for brainwashing coercion is immediately apparent. You are obviously another being who’s narcissistic personality believes others want to hear what you have got to say.
Mr Robinson/Yaxley-Lennon, like him or not and I am not a big fan at all, was doing absolutely nothing outside of the law!. It is a good job he was filming his actions for the public to see and recognise the type of corruption that goes on everyday in the UK and other countries alike. The system is gradually getting concerned by Mr Robinson and his ilk, eventually people will slowly start leaving the flock they are wrapped and brainwashed in. I am led believe, through intensive research, Mr Robinson and others have information on several “Closed Door Cases” that involved pedophilia and corruption and this was a great way to remove him. Bottom line and write what you like but don’t expect others who have a brain to take heed !!
Robinson is a garden variety anti-Islamist who has always been a bit of a mess – Starting LGBT, Jewish and “black and white unite” divisions of the EDL that never took off, attending Israel and showboating with the IDF (presumably to annoy Muslims) and ditching the EDL for government funded counter-extremism think tank Quilliam for being paid off under the table – quite likely so he could be exposed to the “white supremacist lone wolf” propaganda narrative. To the best of my knowledge he doesn’t advocate for mass deportations but closing down mosques, largely symbolic issues like banning halal meat and so on. It is my hope that more people ditch Robinson and come over to real British nationalism as advocated by people like Jez Turner. Where is the EDL for Jez??
Tommy Robinson only filmed after the trial had concluded, so there is no possible way in which he influenced the trial.
He did not film on Court property, but from an adjacent street.
In UK those accused of sexual assault are named, identified in the press, and their photographs published. Using this information, and the fact that those who arrive for sentencing typically carry some belongings in a bag, Robinson filmed the rapists, on the street.
I know there are reporting restrictions on events, but you could at least make some attempt to gather the pertinent facts.
The problem in this case is that the same defendants and/or witnesses are due to appear in a separate, upcoming trial in a different court.
The same contempt rules apply also for nationalists charged with several offences in separate trials. We cannot complain about such laws only when it suits us.
Alison is absolutely right. The same contempt of court laws forbid the naming of a well known nationalist who was convicted of several offences of inciting racial hatred at Preston Crown Court a few weeks ago and will be tried for other alleged offences of inciting racial hatred in the autumn.
The point is that in England the accused’s previous convictions cannot generally be led in evidence against him unless the accused chooses to put his character in issue or attack the character of a prosecution witness.
By naming the loathsome individuals convicted of raping young English girls, “Tommy Robinson” (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) has at the least put the trials of the same loathsome individuals charged with raping other young English girls at risk. Think about the implications of that.
Greg’s analysis is correct (and if I may say so, most impressive coming from someone with no training in English law).
You should make sure that people you don’t like get what’s coming to them.
Universal consistency is foolish.
The arrest and jailing of Tommy Robinson is having an effect on the average people of Britain who likely have a kind of middle-of-the-road perspective on things.
While I have no knowledge of the jurisprudential details of this arrest (Greg’s revelations were new to me), it seems obvious that this event is far more related to the chilling of speech and will be understood as such. Along these lines I think it must be understood that there is now a world-wide effort to silence dissidents and also that intelligence agencies are involved in this. Meaning, there is a *cold cultural war* going on and we need to be aware that *they* will stop at nothing in their attempts to stem the dissemination of ideas that we are all involved in publicizing. The arrest and jailing of Robinson is an important event within the context of this cold cultural war and it is imperative to *support* him. However, my general position is that we must never break ranks with one another and even when we have definite differences we must not allow wedges to be driven between us. And that is what intelligence efforts will seek to do (are seeking to do and will do). If they can exploit divisions they will do it. If over a ten year period of time they can weaken the resolve of a social movement and *manage* it, they can succeed in coopting it. It has been done many times before.
The reaction to the arrest of Robinson will inevitably politicize many people and allow them to become more open to the srot of ideas we are comfortable with. Therefor, though I may differ from aspects of Robinson’s position I will definitely support him.
Whether these sex criminals go free or not is not really the issue. The issue is helping to stimulate a social movement within British culture, and European culture, in which it becomes seen as natural and good to turn back the tide of Muslim cultural invasion while simultaneously stimulating a Europe-wide reidentification with Europeanness. Even in Robinson’s *limited chauvinism* there is a great deal to be worked with. It is a starting point. People like Robinson — the sector of society he represents — will not move to our camp easily. Our radicalism even among ourselves has been a rather long process. I don’t think we should forget this.
What will jail time of a few years do to deter brown Muslims from raping 12 year old white girls?
But I digress. Robinson is a complex problem given his association with zionists. I’m not sure what his agenda is. Banning Burkahs…what is that gonna do?
There are things with this Tommy I can respect, but down the line he is not fighting for white people or his country, he is just against Islam and Muslims. This rape catastrophe got nothing to do with religion but race and race only. Greg should not use the word Muslims rape gangs or whatever. They could be Christians or Hindu or whatever. Its all a matter of race.
No, the problem seems to be especially connected with Muslims.
It’s brown men picking on white girls. That’s the reality.
Its a reckless publicity whore showing up at the one place in the UK where his presence can set a pack of brown rapists free to pick on more white girls. Think, man!
He’s too close to zionists for anyone JQ aware to go out on a limb for him.
He wouldn’t accept anti-Semitic help either.
The IRA like I said, forced the hand of the legal establishment.
I still think that Tommy is self destructive though.
I don’t support Robinson, but I don’t condemn him either, neither should you.
At least he does something and we can use his arrest to highlight the attack on free speech.
Like I said, the law against contempt of court is legitimate. There is no free speech when it interferes with due process.
Remember what Churchill said about Austen Chamberlain.
You’re splitting hairs.
Robinson doesn’t want middle aged Muslims fucking white teenage girls.
I don’t either.
Do you?
CC could use a little less head, a little more heart.
If you want fewer child rapists, you should not interfere when the legal system finally starts prosecuting and jailing them.
But you need to use your head for a few seconds to see that.
That is precisely the opposite of the argument made by the English legal system when it comes to White paedophiles and rapists. They claim that the identities and the crimes of the perpetrators should be reported widely to encourage other victims to come forward.
Supporting double standards is not clever.
You are ignoring the context. There is a good reason why one cannot report on ongoing trials.
This is absolutely the line to put forward. Counter Currents is, by now, a major site; if this article gets wide publicity it will, I believe, only have a demoralizing effect. Any useful criticisms in it get lost quickly because the issue really is simple: “Side with Robinson and for the honor of European women an girls; side against Robinson and in favor of Muslim rape gangs.” How can Greg Johnson not understand this and write a major article slamming Robinson at this time?
I have recommended CC to many over the years but this is one article for which I have to criticize CC. Perhaps Greg Johnson will consider a kind of partial retraction or at least re-titling this post; Supporting Tommy Robinson is an easy Big-Picture win, regardless of the specifics and details.
No retractions, no soft-pedaling. I can’t control whether people try to frame what I have written in a completely dishonest manner.
You are shilling against Tommy Robinson, because you don’t support freedom of speech and you don’t want to create a precedent whereby a white nationalist becomes a martyr for the idea of freedom of speech. Because this would make freedom of speech a part of the foundation of a future white ethnostate. And you don’t want that.
You would get a lot more respect if you actually said this openly and honestly without hiding behind “let’s respect UK’s stupid laws”.
Nope. You just made all that up. Pot has made you paranoid and illogical.
Your metapolitics are showing, Greg. You’re easier to read than you think.
You are a kook. This will be your last comment.
Was Robinson aware that the same defendants/witnesses are due to appear in a separate upcoming trial?
If so, then he is not quite as clever as some seem to believe.
Was Robinson egged on by his most-ardent Zionist supporters in a deliberate attempt to deflect attention from another important free speech trial the same day?
Also last Friday, I was found guilty of causing ‘gross offence’ by sending (=uploading?!) three of my own songs about the ‘Holocaust’ and Jewish power to YouTube.
Whilst Robinson was all over Count Dankula (the Nazi pug guy from Scotland), he has never breathed a word in defence of my freedom of expression. Why is that?
Alison, I love your songs, particularly this fine ditty, Too Extreme for the BNP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPYxOuO2hTc&bpctr=1527547273
Ms Chabloz.
Irrespective of what Tony Robinson may or may not be, the ridiculous charges made against you, and even more ridiculous conviction are a perversion of justice. So it is in Robinson’s case, albeit for different reasons.
You both are being re-educated just as in the Stalinist USSR. I suppose that is a small advantage over being executed in Mao’s China.
Sun Tzu refers to the “moral law” as that which motivates men to take sides and to fight. Ultimately, it is more powerful than the state, and it is coming down — as it should — on the side of Robinson, and against Islam and the British State, as we see the British people take to the street. This is happening because Robinson’s actions clearly not only don’t challenge the likelihood of justice with these particular Muslim rapists, but are in large part the reason that justice is being carried out against them at all. No sane country would put him in jail, and the citizens of Britain are beginning to realize this.
I’m open to the position, and I get the argument, but to me it still seems absolutely insane to challenge the status quo for decades, to decry the foreign influence on our countries, and then when a man finally stands up to it successfully, and is subsequently cognitively punished based on nothing more than legalistic pedantry which no one else is held to, that we should take the side of the pedantry JUST as the population is rising to the cause.
I second CBR’s remarks. Further, Tommy Robinson has COURAGE, an extremely rare virtue in our times, and his core supporters among the football lads and military veterans rally to him for this reason. He also embodies a certain working class charisma.
Even though Tommy R is a bit muddle-headed on the actual issues (rather like Trump), he and his supporters are clearly our allies–they are our people–and my hope is that these protests are not a mere spasm, but the opening stages of a revolution, as the British people awaken from their slumber in the cold, cold shower of an openly hostile State.
Courage is a liability when not governed by intelligence.
An interesting thought, that, which we need to ponder. Nationalists like military similes. I can think of few things worse for a soldier than to be led into battle by an officer or NCO who is utterly fearless but also incompetent in command.
I do not believe that is the real Adrian Davies.
Greg is paraphrasing Aristotle. Courage as the mean between cowardice & recklessness. A disposition toward courage absent “phronesis” will degenerate into the pursuit of futile & self-destructive conflicts and adventures, or in this case a media stunt.
Aristotle remarks, however, that “most reckless men are reckless cowards, they put on a show of confidence when the situation permits, but do not stand their ground.” Clearly this cannot be said of Robinson, who has already suffered greatly at the hands of the State, and yet he remains unbroken.
Courage, in Aristotle, is foundational for the other virtues, as it inculcates self-control in the face of pain. A man who claims intellectual virtue, but lacks courage, is an empty cipher, a fraud, typical of our too-clever-by-half managerial elites.
T Robinson has something like courage. But he lacks the cunning of an Oedipus, the sound judgment of an Aristotelian citizen. He is rough & untutored. So let us say that he embodies *something* and that this something is (today) very rare & concrete. This is why the crowd chants not abstract slogans but “Tommy-Tommy-Tommy Tommy Robinson!” And also the converse, “Shame! Shame! Shame on you!”
He’s a working class bulldog.
Tommy Robinson and his Zionist handlers don’t speak up for our people, so why on earth should we speak up for them? Robinson is a tool used to drum up Muslim hate while simultaneously signalling that he is A-Okay with with the browning of Britain and the white world. He is a lackey of Canadian Zionist Ezra Levant and a crypto-Jew himself. I sincerely hope he is murdered in prison as it will be one less fraud out there to disorient our people. Ditto for that disgusting old hag Katie Hopkins.
I would suggest to you that to wish for an activist’s murder when in prison is *unproductive* in the extreme. In addition to being morally wrong it is very bad strategy to wish such a thing and to express it on a public forum. If I were someone connected with Robinson’s work or who admired what he does, your comment would prejudice me against you (and rightfully so) and also against the forum and platform where it appears.
There are many different levels of activism and many of them — the *lite* versions included — dovetail with our concerns and ideas. But even among those of us who are more radical in our understandings of things we do not see eye to eye in all things. But what is to be gained by breaking ranks? What is to be gained by wishing someone to be killed? Nothing. And everything is to be gained by working thoughtfully and sincerely with people who are on the same side of the fence.
The sexual abuse has been systemic and structural across the UK. The girls involved enjoyed little privilege or even protection.
So it could be argued that’s it’s more important to get the British people to wake up even if there is an immediate downside for a particular prosecution.
Watch the Paxman interview with Robinson to see the arrogance of the British liberal elite.
There are all kinds of other ways to raise awareness about the problem without showing up with a camera at an ongoing trial, which endangers the cause of justice rather than promotes it.
It wasn’t an ongoing trial. The trial had finished. It was merely the post-trial sentencing that was happening that day.
1. The trial is not over until sentencing is complete.
2. There will be another round of hearings in September.
Robinson has been at the lonely forefront of this for quite some time.
https://youtu.be/Q96elyZaxq8
He was a working class guy who showed some courage. So for this maybe he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
There is definitely something to be said for courage.
Courage > Fault-Finding
This post I think was consciously written as click-bait. It is needlessly hostile to Tommy Robinson. Why not title it something less provocative than “Why I Don’t Support Tommy Robinson”? while making the same points.
No, intelligence is always better than stupid bravado.
You forgot to say that you are deeply concerned.
I agree with your legal and political analysis, but the fact is that between the police and media, *there is* a conspiracy in that nation to keep things as quiet as possible on such cases, and the effective gag order will continue after the perpretrators are given unreasonably short sentences, even shorter with parole.
I read the mainstream media from Britain, that is how it always works out.
Also feel sorry for Yaxley-Whatever for his earlier time inside, from my reading, the wardens essentially set him up to be attacked by Muslim inmates, they smashed just about all of his teeth, among other injuries. I wonder if any of his assaulters were awarded extra charges as a result?
Strongly agree re. the direction of groups like the EDL, people like (e.g.) Pamela Geller and Geert Wilders, if they refuse to recognise who brought the problem about (and in Geller’s case, she was very likely one of them in an earlier period), it is a major case of false consciousness.
In my browser bookmarks, I still have, for example, Gates of Vienna, worth reading at times, but I file it under neo-con, because, although I think the Baron privately disagrees, his wife takes the ‘Judaeo-Christian’ line with hook and sinker.
So, no criticism of jewish and Zionist propaganda and actions allowed, and they are on the more reasonable end of the fake extremists who are de facto neo-cons.
I agree that ‘Tommy’ and those of his ilk are far worse on such points.
You have often written about the need to create a deep meta-political and cultural shift in the West against hostile elites.
You also in a conversation with Mike Enoch said it wasn’t clear what red pills people or wakes people up.
Robinson seems to be trying to get the British people to wake up. Many smarter and better educated people have colluded with the Bobo elite in the indifference and hostility to the native working class.
We agree on the need to wake people up. And because it is so important, we should do it in the most effective way possible.
Robinson could have been anywhere in the UK on Friday, May 25th to raise awareness. But he chose to go to the one place where his presence could impede rather than promote justice for these rapists. That is astonishingly bad judgment.
Robinson did show misjudgement. He possibly agrees with you from his cell.
The British elite want to treat this as a legal and technical matter. Everything is under control. There’s a video where Robinson travels from London to Luton by train and passes through the insulated bobo suburbs and towns whose daughters are unaffected. The contempt toward elites he expressed was the same as you did on a recent YouTube discussion.
Maybe we need to wake the Saxon up by any means necessary. Sometimes the events and individuals that trigger changes in consciousness can be surpising and unexpected. Ride the Tiger!
What a nonsensical comment. Ciick-bait? That only works to bring revenue if the site is working with advertising networks or links to stupid sites that have ten-page short paragraph articles on pages with many ads and stupid photos.
As far as I can see, the only ads here are for the books, and the only links, by writers or commentors are to informative content or examples of what they are talking about.
The IRA of course murdered and assassinated Judges, Sheriffs and Prosecutors…
Or at least they were blamed for such killings.
I’ve mixed feelings about him. I’m Irish American, and I love my fellow Irish rabble rousers, as Tommy’s parents are from Ireland. But I was disappointed in his decision to join (((Ezra Levant))) and Rabbi Media. I guess he needed an income.
The only way Tommy will become a martyr is if the UK goes full on shitlord. That is yet to be determined.
Tommy Robinson is a Zionist and always has been. When he founded the EDL, he chose the name because of the JDL, and had a Jewish division of the EDL. Photographs of the Zionist connection to the EDL can easily be found online. He also proudly poses with the Israeli army and sports a Mossad t-shirt when he visits Israel.
Usually I find myself agreeing with Greg Johnson on most issues. In this case it’s different. Western Europe, especially the UK, is so cucked that we need people who do good work like Tommy Robinson. Gregs logic is not at fault but the mistake of Tommy – and yes, it was a mistake of his – does not mean we should not support Tommy.
Tommy Robinson is someone who can reach normies. He’s done some amazing work. I’m not a big fan of street activism, but he’s got a decent following. Yes, he’s cucked on several issues but on this one thing (Islam/white replacement/rapefugees) he is not. He’s a gateway to being red pilled. He would be a UK version of an Alt-Light type before the Alt-right brand was damaged.
We need more ways to reach normies. More Tommy’s work better than less Tommy’s. If I listen to Greg Johnson interviews I know he thinks we need to engage the normie more as well. Hopefully this long time CC reader can pull you a little more in this direction Greg – I know you screen comments yourself – with this argument.
Yes. Do not slam a racial-nationalist figure at such a symbolic moment. There is nothing useful about doing so. The issue is a LOT bigger than the technicalities involved, which will be forgotten in time, to the extent that they are even understood now.
Support Tommy Robinson; it is as simple as that.
I disagree. What you think are technicalities are essential distinctions.
We should not support him when he acted wrongly and the state acted correctly.
The state was prosecuting these rapists. He risked a mistrial.
Press blackouts are reasonable to guard due process and ensure fair trials.
There are plenty of cases of genuine Orwellian suppression of free speech in England. Rally against those.
There are plenty of opportunities to bring attention to the grooming gangs and the coverups in the establishment and press. Robinson could have chosen any of those.
But instead he chose to show up in the one place in England where he could harm rather than help the cause. That’s either stupidity or something much worse.
When you say, “something much worse”, are you implying that Robinson was just trying to bolster his brand / profile or that he is not exactly what he appears to be?
Those are both possibilities.
I see why you have come to this conclusion but you are simply wrong. Firstly the d notices aren’t about creating a fair trail but managing public perception. They want to have the legal precedings over and done with and then a small story at a later date that can be downplayed by our left wing media. Also Tommy only repeated information that was all already published in the media such as defendants photos and names. He was also very careful not to contravene the previous contempt order which explicitly stated that he was not film on court property or infer guilt before sentencing. Neither did he intend to break the d notice by stating what sentence they had been given, which he made clear in the live stream. This was all pretty much confirmed by the fact that he was arrested on a false charge of breach of the peace which was then immediately dropped once in custody.
Without the EDL pushing these cases forward for so many years then all of this would never have come to trial so all the cunts trying to say he’s stupid and reckless should stfu.
Lastly for all americans reading this you don’t seem to understand the situation that us white working class are in over here, we’re unarmed and living in a authoritarian semi police state where you can end up in prison for wrong think with a load of jihadi cunts. Please have a bit more understanding this isn’t the time for nitpicking, Tommy’s about all we’ve got right now give him a break and don’t side with “their law”.
Tommy Robinson is working hard for the Jews, not the English.
He is hated by the majority of British Jews and Jewish communal organisations, included the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
Apart from some pictures with a hard-line rabbi and in Israel he mentions next to nothing about Israel vs Palestine, Iran, Hezbollah, how Assad is so bad (he has actually put out content defending Assad) etc
“In that case, his sentence was suspended under condition that he not reoffend for another 18 months. Because he violated the conditions of his suspended sentence, he was ordered to spend 13 months in jail.”
Even if he was a reoffender, I wonder whether the sentence length is abnormally long. I don’t understand how one jumps from zero to thirteen months. Moreover, do other people get charged for doing the same thing? Was there selective enforcement? We know the authorities seem to have used selective enforcement against him in other ways.
Also, I disagree that filming someone before a trial can ruin the trial. I could see not filming in the courtroom or on private property, but it seems unreasonable to prohibit it in public streets. I could see how banning filming people without their permission, even on public property, can protect us from being doxxed, but ideally the doxxing question should be addressed with legislation to protect against being fired for beliefs rather than against public filming. I also fail to understand how someone asking the defendant questions before the trial ruins the trial. The defendant can always remain silent, and if they choose to speak and if they tell the truth carefully, then they will have nothing to worry about. It was a stupid law. For me, breaking it isn’t a huge offense. It’s definitely not worth 13 months, even for a reoffense. It should be treated at worst as a repeat misdemeanor. The penalty should not be jail.
The question is when civil disobedience is useful. Either using or not using it can be advantageous. Socrates refrained from using it, and I think his decision to abide by his sentence made his teachings more popular. Rosa Parks used civil disobedience, and of course, the (((media))) made a martyr out of her. I could understand the argument that even if Robinson opposed that law, it would have been better to break a law specifically related to laws against criticizing immigration of Muslims rather than one involving trial procedure. But at some point, when the nation makes so many damn laws, it’s hard not to break one. I don’t think we should come down on him too harshly for doing so, particularly because the law seems unreasonable. I also want to make sure he wasn’t the victim of selective enforcement.
Robinson is not one of us, and we should criticize him for that, but it seems unrest over his sentence can only help us. Most people will view the sentencing as an attack on whites, and it seems to some extent they may be right, so I think we should use the incident to try to redpill them further.
Obviously we pay a cost for saying 2 + 2 = 5, or contempt of court = free speech, but praxiologically speaking, this cost maybe worth it, if it redownds to the delegitimization of the current British government, and increased hostility to its Muslim pets.
What did blacks and the media loose by gaslighting the American people about Mike Brown and Trayvon? Okay they got Trump. They made white Americans more “racially aware”, so yes, they overplayed their hand, and paid a high price. But Brittain’s Muslims and anti-white establishment are already “racially aware”. It is white Britons who fail to appreciate the nature of the threat. And many on center or Libertarian right seem galvanized by what they see (wrongly) as a double-standard being applied to TR.
Rejecting him, at this moment, even if based on facts and legitimate ethical concerns with his actions, is “beautiful-looserism”. “If you play by your enemies’ rules, you loose”.
Furthermore, there is a strong possibility, that at least one of the accusers in this case, really is lying about having been assaulted. A dumb and wicked thing to do: fine, but if the case is allowed to proceed, and these lies are exposed, the story will be used to discount and intimidate victims of Muslim sex-crime for generations (Americans still talk about Emmit Till for Christsakes’!?) It might very well be in the interest of our people to simply crash the case, and try to force a counter narrative of Tomm-as-martyr.
For God’s sake man, this is one case where the system is actually prosecuting these animals, and you think it is a smart revolutionary move to tank it with a mistrial?
Tommy Robinson could have done a lot of things and been at a lot of places to raise awareness of the problem of Muslim rape gangs last Friday.
Instead, he showed up at the one place where his presence could actually set these people free. He’s either stupid or something far more sinister.
I understand your frustration with the miscarriage of justice, and appreciate your hard work against right-wingers who do stupid and unethical things.
Tommy could have been anywhere else Friday, it’s true, and today he is jail being discussed very favorable by almost the entire anglophone “right”. Even (((Ben Shapiro))) has condemned the arrest. Tragic and shameful though it is, our your young are more motivated by “freeze peach” than by the safety and dignity of their own white sisters. Tommy’s arrest, rightly or wrongly, could turn out to be a major liability to the British government.
While I agree the truth is our greatest asset, we might do well in this case to follow Mark Twain’s advice and preserve it.
There’s so many false equivalences in this article I don’t even know where to begin.
This clearly has to do with Greg’s vendetta against Tommy for being a “larping entho – nationalist Zionist!” ; nothing more than an accusation with zero evidence to back it up.
Travis, you write of “Greg’s vendetta against Tommy for being a ‘larping ethno-nationalist Zionist!'”
You are a dirty liar.
First of all, putting quotation marks around “larping ethno-nationalist Zionist!” implies that you are quoting me. But I never said that.
Second, in fact I do not have a “vendetta against Tommy.” You simply made that up.
Casual liars like you are a disgrace to our cause. Shame on you.
Robinson was sentenced to 13 months jail in effectively a secret trial (his solicitor was told he was not going to go on trial but was being moved to another facility).
The political establishment then put a D-Notice making it technically illegal for INDIVIDUALS and media publications to report on that?
Why are you ok with that? Would you like that to happen to yourself or other Pro-White dissedents, let alone counter-jihad types?
You assert that, ‘Robinson’s actions actually made it more likely the defendants would go free’ as though it were fact. It is not, it is pure speculation on your behalf. The determination as to whether court proceedings or due process have been, or MIGHT BE prejudiced through contempt is a matter for the the court to decide. It seems that in this case, one or other of these possibilities were assumed to be true by the presiding judge, but the view that Robinson ‘interfered in court proceedings’ may not be correct, especially since he was apparently careful to quote information already in the public domain (previously published by local & regional newspapers).
Tommy Robinson may well be ‘morally reckless’ & even ‘a bit stupid’, but your assertion that his actions have ‘harmed the cause of justice’ & ‘made it harder that rape gangs be successfully prosecuted’ remains speculative & rests on the premise that the judge in this case has not erred. At this point, Is remains to be seen whether justice has indeed been served by the judge’s actions. Given the lack of judicial transparency up until now, I am surprised that you are so ready to make that assumption.
There was a ban on reporting on the trial. Robinson breached that ban and was arrested. Any lawyer worth his salt will be looking into whether this gives cause for a mistrial. You can call that “speculative” if you want, but you are simply burying your head somewhere.
Perhaps not so straightforward: Robinson was apparently arrested for a ‘breach of the peace’, not reporting on the trial. Are you sure due process was followed leading to his imprisonment?
Which means, what? Being a public nuisance?
What difference does that make?
He was convicted and sentenced for contempt of court.
I thought you were concerned that Justice was administered fairly & that due process was observed.
‘What difference does that make?’ is not a question that seems to support that idea.
I’d like to know whether you believe TR was denied due process/justice, & what evidence do you have to support your answer?
You are quibbling, not adding anything to do discussion.
The question is one of equality before the law.
Why a reporting ban on these accused when there was no reporting ban on Rolf Harris or Max Clifford? I don’t recall a ban for the Rotherham, Oxford or Rochdale grooming gang trials. For that matter, there was no ban on reporting on Lord Janner or Jimmy Saville before charges were laid. The allegations in the media were so widespread that it would have prohibited the selection of an impartial jury, had the cases proceeded.
The contempt of court charge is entirely bogus. The accused were attending a sentencing hearing, which means the verdict had already been reached. How can “the case” be compromised? Is the judge admitting that he would be influenced by the media and not the facts of the case in pronouncing sentence? Perhaps the judge should be removed.
Were there no other reporters attending?
This is much bigger than Tommy Robinson, regardless of his opinions and behaviour. It is an attack on due process, which is a danger to all of us.
Saying that you “don’t recall” means that you really don’t have the facts here.
There are some reporting restrictions in all British trials.
Yes the entire British legal system is in on a conspiracy to cover up gang rapes by Muslims or Tommy Robinson is just bigoted wanker with a history of assault, fraud, and inciting for his own self aggrandizement. Adios Tommy maybe you can write your memoirs like Hitler did while you spend tome for your much needed sabbatical
The main problem in Western European “political nationalism” is that everyone needs to be a kosher zionist supporter. Every party or politician that’s allowed to rise in politics has to shill for the Chosen Ones, or perish in lawfare and bogus arrests before the first election, with an exemption for muslims of course.
In my country of Belgium, even anti-Zionism is made equal to anti-Semitism by law, so even the slightest infraction leads to a maximum of 5 years in jail.
That’s why every sorry excuse for a rightwing politician, like Geert Wilders (a former kibbutzim), Marine Le Pen and almost everyone else is continuously cucking for Israel and the Zio-brigade. Even the edgiest ones, like a Filip De Winter from Vlaams Belang in Flanders, regularly takes trips to Israel to show his support for the ZOG.
If you tought only the US was cucking to the Chosen Ones, think again.
TR, like most, became their pawn, in exchange for some meagre pay and protection, which they dropped as soon as they could. Him getting arrested was a PR stunt gone wrong, because het tought they backed him up. The only way he can be useful to us is as a(n) martyr/example to convince normies of the way Western Europe in sinking into a quagmire of its own making.
If you follow Tommy Robinsons content he says next to zero about Israel vs Palestine, Hezbollah, Iran or Syria. In fact for Syria he has posted content supportive of Assad.
Also, people do not see him as connected to the Jewish issue. They see him as an anti-Islamic, English, European advocate; in the popular mind, TR straddles the line between implicit White racial advocacy and explicit White racial advocacy
Implicit to Explicit Spectrum (up for debate)
Silent-majority(?) passive ethnopatriots in the Conservative Party — UKIP — Tommy Robinson (jailed) and EDL and figures like Jayda Fransen (jailed) — BNP during its 2000s rise — National Front — hardest-line racial-nationalist Skinheads
What a load of counter signalling bullshit.
Does Greg Johnson support Tommy Robinson being secretly trailed (his solicitor was told he was being moved to another facility, not a court trial) and a D-Notice being made making it (technically) illegal to report his 13 month jail sentence?
Likewise Greg, if you are aware of the social media content of Tommy’s film crew and other users who they communicate with (CR, LB) you will find they are ‘aware’ and ‘wise’ to race and (((them))).
On Zionism Tommy Robinson is loathed by nearly all British Jewish communal organisations and in a past tweet he has referred to the Board of Deputies of British Jews as a “far left” group after they attacked him.
In 2018 Tommy is perfectly ok promoting Generation Identity which is a implicitly Pro-White group so just because he said XYZ in 2009 separating himself from the BNP has no relevance to 2018, unless you want to bicker about stuff said nearly a decade ago rather than the vastly changed current circumstances.
This case is ‘waking’ a lot of people up and de-legitimising the Tory party and Greg wants to put it back into a box, just like establishment media personalities are attempting to do.
Leaving aside the travesty of Tommy Robinson’s faux-trial and 13 month sentence, and the concurrent news blackout of his present situation, Robinson realized both in Canterbury and in Leeds that whatever the limitation on reporting about these grooming gangs, the outcome of these trials would result in a slap on the wrist for those convicted. Robinson’s acts were ones of civil disobedience, knowing quite well what the current attitude and previous actions of British police, courts, and government have been. It’s an attitude in a sense of “screw it, I have to bring knowledge of these cases to the fore.” So Robinson, a working class man, not a stilted academic, isn’t worried about the intricacies of abiding by judicial gag orders and being in contempt of court. So thus, he is willing to civilly disobey a spineless system that has thoroughly disenfranchised most of white British society.
Robinson could have been anywhere else in England on Friday, doing a whole range of things to bring attention to grooming gangs and the failure of the authorities to prosecute and the press to investigate.
But instead Robinson was at the one place in England where the system was actually doing the right thing and putting these rapists away. And he did something that could give grounds for a mistrial.
That is breathtaking stupidity — or something entirely more sinister.
If you really want to take a “Burn baby burn!” stance toward the British system, why gravitate to the one place on Cuck Island where it is actually doing the right thing?