My Nationalist Pony:
An Interview with Buttercup Dew
When I began this interview with the creator of the My Nationalist Pony blog, I was completely unaware of My Little Pony and the whole “Brony”-sphere it has spawned. For some background visit My Nationalist Pony, Equestria Daily, and click here. Prepare yourself, gentle reader, this rabbit hole runs deep.
Let’s begin with some biographical information. Who are you? Where are you from? When were you born? Who are your people?
Ah, Buttercup is being asked to talk about himself! His favorite thing.
I would classify myself as demographically, the exact type of person that White Nationalists need to take an interest in. I’m a 23-year-old “guy” from South London, born at a now-demolished local hospital near the town of Croydon (as made famous by the folk hero Emma West). Growing up I can recall ever increasing proportions of Diversity in the schools and colleges I attended. I was raised here and have never lived significantly far from here, so I’ve always been on top of a Ground Zero for white displacement.
The issue of “My People” is a difficult one. I am the grandson of a North Italian migrant and have a fairly Roman face, and any person with an eye for ethnicity can easily spot I am not a true Anglo-Saxon native. Like any good son I’m a proud rebel, and have kicked back against my family’s persistent alienating liberalism with an interest in genetics, ethnicity, and ancestry. On a political level, I identify as a Pan-European White Nationalist. I do not feel comfortable around non-whites, mainly because they mostly harbor a desire to kill me for being whitey, on a macro scale if not a personal one. On a personal level I identify with intellectual whites who share the same racial consciousness as I do. Ultimately, “my people” are my family, or racial reflections of them; white, self-effacing, charmingly eccentric, emotionally open, and unflinchingly loyal (if not always right).
Describe your intellectual journey to White Nationalism?
My journey to White Nationalism was a short and simple one – I simply became conscious of being white. This happened to me because of a perpetual dissatisfaction of the views of the social circles I ran in, when I found conflicting viewpoints and evidence on the web. I was raised as a Christian, became an atheist, became a Communist, became a Libertarian, became an Anarcho-Capitalist, became an emergent-theory buff, then hit the Race / IQ singularity. This process, known in most parts as “growing up,” was a game of knocking over a belief system when I found a missing factor its first principles couldn’t account for.
It was shortly after the Race / IQ discovery that I first conceived of myself on a biological, racial level. The astounding fact of it is that I am a white nationalist because I thought my way through a shedload of economic and theological dogmas, and not because I was externally prompted. Around the time of opening this Pandora’s Box, I found myself listening to R.A.C metal bands like Skrewdriver and Landser, in glorious 240p Youtube playlists. I was at university, whites were a tenuous majority, and Arab men in full Muslim garb were heavily present as the shock troops of the ongoing displacement.
It was around this time I was coming to terms with being a flaming homo, so I frequented the gay bars around the place. I saw a lot of working class, masculine white men in their 30s and 40s, standing around with their thumbs metaphorically up their asses while the DJ blared out “Tragedy.” The contradiction between the male reality and “third gender” leftist fantasy about homosexual men was made very apparent to me at that time, so I never really bought the gay identity that the Left was selling. Nor did I buy the Multicult fantasy that my university town was “twinned” with Bumfuck, AK47ville, Islamistan, so this all fuelled my intellectual journey to White Nationalism. It opened a window to an identity I belonged to innately, and gave me a greater purpose than sulking beside a rainbow flag. The music and ideology of White Nationalism projected an ideological shield around me that I was part of racial folk movement that was very remote, and vastly superior to, the nancy-pampy filth that surrounded me.
Tell us about your education and intellectual influences.
My state education was appalling, and I continually questioned my teachers explanations or dogmas with a cheerful naivety. I came out of the university with a mountain of debt, a disillusionment with Culturally-Marxist Enviro-Crap in every shape, and a barely contained existential crisis. It was at this point I started My Nationalist Pony. I grappled with finding an identity and gloomy employment prospects, and was sustained by two things: White Nationalism as a temporal power, and My Little Pony as an emotional, visionary power. I immediately recognized My Little Pony as a white racial folk analogy, and began to read further and further into the alternative right. It was at this point that my real intellectual formation began.
One of the nice things about having a multi-year personal blog is that my intellectual development can be charted in reverse chronological order from the latest page. Formative influences on my outlook are all members of the fringe Right and their philosophies are only a few clicks away; some are Counter-Currents. I’m proud to say my work reflects and integrates precepts from Counter-Currents, including Collin Cleary, James J. O’Meara, Trevor Lynch, and Michael O’Meara. These authors specifically provide visionary and mythology precepts that are symbiotic with my deconstruction and analysis of the canon universe of My Little Pony.
Elsewhere, I take ideas on a political and personal level from Jack Donovan, Stephen Pressfield, Koanic Soul, and Vault-Co. All of these authors have a foundation of biological determinism. The common denominator of these four is the idea that acceptance of biology is the pre-requisite to virtue; that order, (or in the shows terms, harmony) is a derivative of adhering to natural laws and working to our ethnic design.
In what’s known to CC readers, Collin Cleary and Michael O’Meara contextualize this phenomenon in Summoning the Gods and Toward the White Republic in theological and anthropological terms. My challenge – and work – is synthesizing such a large array of viewpoints into an easy to understand analogy, so White Nationalism is more readily accessible and grasped by our folk.
Before we talk about My Nationalist Pony, tell us about the Ur-text: My Little Pony. I confess that I have never seen or heard of it before. What is it about? Who created it? What is its audience?
The Ur-text is specifically, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, a television cartoon written for family audiences, but with an emphasis on being for little girls, as is the staple of the My Little Pony franchise. My Little Pony began as a toy line of brushable horses in the ’80s, and has always existed as an implicitly white consumer collectable. Friendship is Magic, the TV show which I write about, first aired in 2010 as part of a franchise reboot.
The structure of the show is that there is a central cast of 6 distinct ponies, each of which manifest a certain virtue, Loyalty, Laughter, Generosity, Honesty, Kindness, and Magic. Each show functions as a sort of 20-minute Aesop’s fable about the importance of a particular aspect of getting along. The actual happenings of the show aren’t of that much importance on an individual level – They’re mostly fairly formulaic storylines based on character interplay and going off to fight the Dragon, Evil Princess, Arch-Nemesis, whatever. It’s well-written and snazzy. It’s an extremely fun and well-written cartoon.
Importantly, the pony girls / women are feminine without being weak and helpless; the boys / men are classically masculine; it captures the idea of parity of roles, instead of a demolishing and levelling equality.
Most importantly, nearly every single element of the show is an analogy for a piece of the traditional or classical West, and the universe of the show functions according to a sort of Friendship-based European ethnocentrism. I found it interesting to note that I found a die-hard liberal handwringing in the following rant:
So . . . buffalo. If you’re a Native American, you’re not a pony. You’re not like Twilight, Applejack, Rainbow Dash, Rarity, Fluttershy, or Pinkie Pie. You’re a buffalo. And furthermore, the settlers are obviously analogues of American frontiersmen – which were, for the majority, white. The settlers are ponies. Ponies are white. [authors original emphasis]
To quote my blog, within the shows fictional universe, there are:
- European, seasonal celebrations of raising the sun in the Summer Solstice
- Cloud cities, halls and arenas of Ancient Greek architecture
- Analogies for historic European warriors — Commander Hurricane/Spartan Rainbow Dash in one spectacularly pro-White episode, “Hearth Warmings Eve,” which covers the Tripartite of European society (Earthpony agriculturalists/Flying Pony Warrior-technocrats/Unicorn Aristocracy)
- Tudor Houses in Ponyville to name a type I can identify, and a total absence of modern, multiracialist, egalitarian architecture
- Western Frontier Pioneer towns and cowboy analogies, like Braeburn and the Appleloosan Ten Gallon Hats
- Seasonal, Cyclical Time (derived from European seasonality)
- Multiple, Personified Deities (as opposed to Jewish or Arabic monotheism)
- Established monogamous families of the traditionally Western Christian variety (the Cakes, Twilights Parents)
- Horse racing and English High Society — Fancypants and Rarity
- Athleticism displays and events — Best Young Fliers, Wonderbolts, Youth Groups/Männerbünde
And so on and so forth.
If you watch a random episode of the show you are guaranteed to find at least some level of implicit whiteness and traditional occidental civilization. The shows characters and the conflicts they go through reflect the ideal of personal destiny as manifesting unique and indispensable racial biology, within the context of a wider, traditional, ethnocentric European society (with its own racial folk religion, celebrations, political conflicts, and phobias).
But Buttercup, by now our readers are surely wondering, “Aren’t you reading too much into this?” and “Why the hell am I wasting my time reading this interview with an insane homosexual?”
To which I say: Watch the show. If not for me, do it because of the existence of . . . The Bronies.
What are “Bronies”? Are they your intended audience?
The intended audience of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is little girls and their dads and moms, who have the purchasing power to buy small plastic horses (of which I own many).
However, like a deranged science experiment busting out the lab and going AWOL across the country, the response to Friendship is Magic from the unexpected demographic of young men aged 14–35 has resulted in a massive subculture known as “the brony fandom,” brony being a portmanteau of Bro and Pony. This is my audience – an implicitly (and heavily) white group of young men, who are suffering from a total disillusionment with modern life, casting around for an identity and meaningful purpose. Basically, the target demographic that White Nationalism needs to capture if whites are to survive. Despite a healthy crop of alienated losers seeking inclusion, the presence and sheer scale of the “brony” fandom cannot be underestimated.
Fascinating. I’m sure you and Smithers would have a lot to talk about.
So, are you proposing to build a racial nationalist army of grown men who play with little girls’ toys?
I’m simply following your advice to White Nationalists to go forth and preach a form of White Nationalism tailored to every white constituency and subculture. I am following your plan of building cultural hegemony one discursive space at a time. Bronydom is just as implicitly white as NASCAR, country music, and the Republican Party.
With all due respect, White Nationalism has totally failed in its political ambitions, and is totally illegitimate within mainstream discourse. We all know, the White Nationalist movement is a repository and vanguard of the entire history and genetic legacy of Western Civilization. And yet . . .
There are more young men in America today, who identify as Bronies, than there are Jews.
1 in 10 men in the USA, according to a “herd census,” in the age bracket we are looking to inspire, to motivate, identifies as a brony.
Can you imagine wielding the sort of emotional gravity, influence, and power within mainstream society? Can you imagine wielding the ability to manifest groups of military age young men with such insane devotion to an ideal that they are put themselves outside of mainstream society in the same way bronies do? Bronies are more politically loaded as a target group than any Republicrat scum, because they have already demonstrated a willingness to place themselves out of polite discourse and risk being tarred and feathered as pedophiles.
They are (although they don’t normally realize it) religiously inspired and highly motivated, by their subculture, by their nebulous ideology and identity, as well as by the fact a large portion of them, being young white men, having not much left to lose.
To quote the Herd Census, found here: http://herdcensus.com/generalsurvey.shtml
we can state with a 95% confidence that between 4.0% and 6.8% of the internet-using US population strongly identify as bronies, or approximately 7 to 12.4 million people.
(an overwhelming majority of young men with disposable income, heavily white social circles, intellectual and altruistic leanings, and social connections to others within the demographic, as well as the talent and cultural drive to sustain a globally-connected white subculture over 3 years).
That, my friends, is why Buttercup is as fanatical as he is. If My Little Pony is an analogy for the ideal Western society, which I believe strongly to be the case and have made strong arguments for, then a gateway must be opened. If nothing else, the White Nationalist movement must learn from this mass-media-turned-subcultural-identity event.
Although such things are part of the nature of having a television receiving nation, Friendship is Magic came so far out of the left field and has prompted self-organizing communities of loyal followers in zero time. Bronydom is almost a surrogate White Nationalism – self-organized Brony meets function as implicitly white events where white young men can bond socially over aspirational, non-materialistic, transcendental ideals in a non-judgemental, inclusive environment.
Yes, those are liberal nice-words. Yes, they normally connote a bunch of crap. But we have to organize or die, and the only way we will organise is by inspiring organizers, and organizers will only want to join if they feel wanted and included.
My Little Pony has functioned as a vehicle for a European identity and ideal that resonates with such a huge number of white young men that this is a real, live, breathing and ongoing political resource that has to be tapped or learnt from, if whites are to channel their energies constructively into survival. Out of nothing, bronies have conquered the planet, and are heard of by pretty much everyone, save the lesser-spotted Alt-right hermit. Even my mother has read, with bafflement, in her mainstream British newspaper, that members of the military are sewing symbols of flying ponies into their combat uniforms.
The White Nationalist movement, in my eyes, is failing to provide an easily understandable, simple, all-capturing theological and realpolitik worldview. It takes a lot of digging. It is no surprise that white men have jumped the next best thing – a show that taps and channels their racial consciousness. What I try to do is synthesize ideas of European ethnocentrism and the accompanying and underlying precepts into the analogies of My Little Pony, which is easy enough as half the work has been done for me by the show. The emotional gravity of the show is manifest in its symbols, as is the emotional gravity of the White Nationalist cause in our symbols. The difference is that one is a subculture based off a TV show, and the other has the entire history of the West. Which one has more resources . . . ? Could White Nationalists pull off a similar feat . . . ? The difference between the openly brony and the openly White Nationalist is a strength of social taboo.
Surely, with enough traction, with enough legitimacy created by cartoon-level accessible explanations and stories of our ideals and ambitions, we can overcome that taboo. It takes numbers, but a snowball once rolling.
This is where the excuses come in. I hear cries of “But the Jews control the media!” so let us observe such a snowball, outside of controlled mainstream media.
How many bronies tune in to the TV directly, and how many watch on Youtube?
We will test the Malovent Evil Jews’ Influence and see how much is Jew, and how much is You:
I type in, My Little Pony Season 1: Episode 1 into my Google Search bar. It shows me this Youtube link to the full episode.
View count: 1 million+.
Posted five months ago.
We’re now in 2014, and this first aired over three years ago.
I’d say that’s a pretty darned good tootin’ reason to start watching My Little Pony if you’re a white nationalist. That is One Episode, by One Uploader. Admittedly it’s the first episode, but nonetheless. Without getting into back of the envelope math, you can see how many whites (and they are whites, damnit) are captivated by the show.
There is a good bet most of those viewers who go on to watch other episodes, relate to say, Rainbow Dash as a character, and who recognise her cutie mark symbol. Every moment needs its motifs and imagery, so lets talk about the iconography used by our Equine cultural warriors. Symbols are pre-rational, and bronies love symbols. Pony-cutiemark symbols are the de-facto religious cultural currency of the brony. Why? Because the show emotionally resonates with them. White Nationalists have to push an identity and the symbols of our heritage in an empathetic, aspirational format as the show does, and as they regain their former gravity and stature within our racial consciousness, organizers will organize. Young men of military age will start sewing life runes into their jackets. White men gloomy about their employment prospects will find a culture and community that is common and exclusive to them as whites, that serves their interests, and shares their values.
All this shall come to pass if we are able to correctly present our ideas in a vehicle which is accessible, empathetic, and relevant to whites; which gives them a theological purpose beyond dogmatic monotheism, which returns to an indigenous and authentic expression of who they are – Like, My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic does. But the show does it implicitly, out of necessity. We built the internet, we have the technology. Let’s renew, rebuild, retool, and rearm, and distribute the White Nationalist vision explicitly. This isn’t a fucking corporate vision. It’s a mythological vision, one that exists whether one chooses to see it or not, and it’s one that is an eternal expression of white independence.
Friendship is Magic is the best thing since sliced bread with our most thoughtful men of this generation. Let’s show them what they have proven they want to see – the vision of an ethnocentric Europe, a productive society, a complex racial harmony derived from variation between whites, a meaningful, traditional existence, roles of parity, conferring dignity – but this time, let’s do it explicitly instead of hiding in plain sight.
Let’s ignite the spark of ancestral consciousness in the amnesiac masses of our people. We can do it, when we relate to them, and empathize with their needs and struggles. Which we must do, which we must be capable of, because they are our race, they are us, and we are them. The one thing that most White Nationalists have a dire need of is friendship and understanding from their brethren, so it is time to seek it and articulate our needs in a manner they can relate to.
With mutual understanding and affection, we can overcome our physical limitations, and transcend whatever lowly rung of realpolitik circumstance has banished us to. If we can overcome our egos and our fears and pull other members of our race into the communion of binding friendship and purpose, will soon be banging loudly on the doors to Wotan’s halls and demanding entry, having established ourselves as first and foremost amongst the races, and having created white dominion over the entire earth.
So it is in my philosophy, so it should be in yours.
Long Live Europe, and Hail Celestia.
So what sort of impact has My Nationalist Pony had?
I’m pleased to say that the reception and impact of my ridiculous blog from both the “New” Right and elsewhere has been overwhelmingly positive. There is an adage that only jesters can speak truth to power, and the underlying reason to it is that tragedy and difficult circumstance is best subliminated through humor. Although a few of my moodier posts (since deleted) have caught rightful criticism for being harsh and ill-mannered, the general reception from the thinking commentariat on the web at large has been grudging acceptance and respect.
I don’t measure or follow my web traffic stats, but from googling around I can gather mood and commentary about how things are received by the biomass. For example; following a furor over a “racist” post where I pushed Race / IQ facts to front and centre in an uncompromising way, I picked up on a message board that at least one observer was surprised, as “My Nationalist Pony tends to focus on finding your own roots and heritage.” Elsewhere, folks with little to no interest in any sort of anthropology or race nationalist at least understand what I have to say, even if they don’t agree with it – I cross posted this gem from 2012:
Seriously, he looked at a cartoon for little children and he saw an idyllic pastel pasture space filled with green hills and quaint villages with no want or need or disease or strife and instead of thinking “this setting is like that because it’s a kid’s show” he thinks “this setting is like that because these neon horses are racially homogeneous and do not intermix with foreign cultures also their economic and social structure is dictated by their genetically/biologically inborn talents as dictated by a stamp on their rear end.”
Another one of my favourites comes from “Fundies say the dardest things”:
It’s like watching someone launch into a tirade on the dangers of racial mixing at a pro-fascism rally whilst wearing pink polka-dot pyjamas and a rainbow wig.
Amongst the Reactionary Right, I got a good mention and press as a “Reactionary Hipster taking back the Media,” as part of a group of “stylish intellectuals . . . reading Evola” from Rachel Haywire of Attack the System (here).
I hit peak notoriety when I got into a Twitter feud with British print-n-TV Leftie Luvvie Laurie Penny, the whole of which has been documented here. My polka-dot fascism seems to have permeated enough common consciousness of bronydom that I have a reputation of being “quite the troll,” and for playing on Poe’s Law – All of which is entirely true, because infamy is publicity, and publicity is useful.
The best response has been from the Right of Tumblr, the blogging platform I use. I am part of a loose blogging circle and new Right blog directory known as “Party Hats and Jackboots.” I am privileged to call a few other members of this group my friends, and there you will find young, thoughtful and upstanding whites who have given the liberal Kool-Aid the pass. There are a number of foreign-language blogs and sites which my infographics and posters have cropped up on, one notably complaining that I was reviving Pagan runes as some type of Neo-Nazi (a reasonable accusation). I like to think that politically, I punch above my weight, using my Buttercup alter ego to engage people with novelty and nod towards the importance of ethnonationalism and white racial consciousness, however briefly.
It must be noted that I have become disillusioned and attempted to walk away from my blog a number of times, and returned each time with more things to say (I suppose, I cannot help see what I see). I think the importance of White Nationalists engaging in pop-culture criticism, and using it to relate our wards and folk, is underlined and captured neatly by one of my readers, Polarmyth. He sent me this kind message:
As a newcomer to Tumblr, MNP was one of the first cogent and accessible blogs regarding nationalism that I enjoyed and was presented in a pleasant format with an easy to understand analogy. The use of an easy to identify cultural icon as vehicle made MNP a rare gem to educate persons on nationalism, without the unpleasant association most have with this subject.
I found the My Nationalist Pony Tree of Life [illustration found here] to be excellent and I posted it to my Facebook. Indeed, you have a well thought out and mature concept of nationalism and express yourself quite well. Your artistic ability has few equals. Again, I love the pony Tree of Life—it is everything good and worth fighting for.
You should, at least, leave My Nationalist Pony up and perhaps mirror it someplace else. It’s a highly useful educational resource—and work of art— and its possible loss makes nationalism and related politics much less accessible to newcomers, the indeterminate many; it also provides a solid reintroduction to veteran nationalists.
1930’s imagery is provocative but MNP brings this subject gently, and pleasantly, to the present. [my emphasis].
Nationalism is about loving your folk and belonging and I think you did a great job in conveying this. My Nationalist Pony would be a great graphic novel.
Well, knock me over with a feather, I am convinced. [Laying hands on my computer screen] I ordain you the New Right’s Apostle to the Bronies. Keep up the good work, and thanks for the interview.
A big thank you, Greg, for giving my novel approach a platform, and thanks also to the wider Counter-Currents authorship and readership, for providing me with the material and essential insight I have needed to develop and mature as an author, and as an individual. It is my sincere hope that Counter-Currents prospers and continues its good work in awakening whites to their unique heritage and identity. The Crystal Empire shall return – And I’m sure at least a few readers will pursue that breadcrumb and see the parallels for themselves.
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One thing I love about this site is that you have stuff like this on here, but to tell you the truth I am not sure what to make out of this.
Can you imagine if “My Little Pony” is what brings the Jews to their knees…
Can you imagine Summer Redstone saying “Oy vey, My Little Pony has destroyed our banking, media, and political domination. How could we of allowed that fascist Buttercup on our television stations.”
B-b-but you just don’t get it, these people REALLY, REALLY love My Little Pony! I’m sure they’ll take very kindly to some nasty rassists stretching the show to fit an evul agenda, right?
Oh my goodness! I am quite excited to read this. May I say in good spirits that I ♥ Greg Johnson.
Humour and playfulness reflect a certainty of conviction that can be very inspiring! As a former Catholic, I have encountered this type of humour often in more conservative circles. The faith is self-evident to them, which gives the freedom to the hypothetical doubt which is often a prerequisite for humour and playfulness.
The situation many White Nationalists find themselves in is often not very conducive to such a faith. On the other hand, the contents of our faith is highly plausible. Maybe we should make that our focus point. I admire the way you have translated this conviction in such an unlikely imagery.
The sweet figures and colours of “My little Pony” seem to cry out for the most tacky feel-good liberalism there is. It seems that liberalsm has colonized our notion of the Good so thoroughly, that even White Nationalists cannot escape these associations. It was therefore quite a revelation when you explained how much of the Pony’s worldview corresponds to our own convictions.
It is also great to see some colourful imagery to convey our faith. Sometimes I really get fed up with all the grim, angry figures that populate the White Nationalist imagination. As much as I love the Gothick, such a one-sidedness seems neither healty nor attractive.
Your work convinces me that James J. O’Meara is right when he laments that the Right has embraced the modern brutal, grim, “negro” image of masculinity, and so tends to drive away creative talent invaluable for our movement, especially among the higher classes. I hope you will not be discouraged if some rightist über-macho poseurs attack your work.
Finally, I am reminded of another Brony: Bradley Manning. In spite of his confusion about his sex, he remains a true hero. I hope the little ponies will inspire many more ‘tongue-in-cheek’ fighters for justice, such as you!
I agree that the goth/black metal/NS aesthetic is a bit one-note in our subcultures. Although I was pleased to see that within the Asatru community, there are now children’s toys and Yule ornaments that are genuinely cute and don’t come in three shades of gray.
I’m all for outreach, but I’m disappointed CC gave this man a platform. We can agree to disagree.
For a long time, I had a hard time accepting that the “brony” phenomenon was real. Initially, it struck me as organized uber-trolling, and there is some evidence that men showing an interest MLP started as trolling on 4chan. But apparently some males then came along and started taking it seriously. This was an unforeseen development. Hence, we now have this thing called “bronyism.”
I believe men who take an interest in this material into two categories: 1) white men who have given up on being men, and 2) white men who need professional help for profound psychological disturbance. This is sick stuff that deserves nothing but contempt.
I just delved a little bit deeper into the Brony phenonmenon, and it seems more ambiguous than just some playfulness and humour. I think this has to do with the colonization of the Good by the liberals. In this they resemble the Christians, who rooted out the old pagan beliefs by building their churches over pagan sites, putting their holidays on the dates of the pagan feasts, or reinterpreting pagan figures as Christian saints ( Wodan becoming Saint Nicolas ). Similarly, the morality in My Little Pony
(MLP) is an amalgam of true virtues, such as friendship and loyalty, and fake values, such as tolerance and equality.
I guess for that last reason MLP is being ridiculed, for example by creating fan pictures of these sweet ponies cursing, firing guns, having rough sex, etc. All very politically incorrect. Irony abounds. But as MLP also expresses true virtues, the use of this imagery often also seems to express a kind of nostalgia for better, simpler, nobler times.
It is sign of the decay that in our time this longing can only be expressed through rather absurd images. Your contempt should probably be reserved for these times, not for the people who react to it in the only way they know.
Of course, there may be other reactions to MLP that are ignoble, but these two reactions described above can make this imagery useful to us. In fact, this is exactly what My Nationalist Pony has proven.
One might say that Brony Bradley Manning is a true incarnation of the MLP moral amalgam: on the one hand, he was brave and revealed the injustices of the Iraq occupation, on the other hand the confusion about equality and sex roles led him to have a sex operation. O tempora, o mores!
I’ve shut myself off from the mainstream media a long time ago but I 1000% agree with your assessment, call me a “negro”, whatever, but when real Negroes are going to unleash their testosterone, the kind of folks who’ve been converted by ponyism or whatever you might call that, aren’t going to be of any use for our race.
Nonsense. Brain beats muscle. Geeks built nuclear weapons. How much testosterone do you need to defeat a cruise missile? One Brony with a drone can destroy a whole army of testosterone flooded negro’s.
Yes, someday, somewhere, some cubicle, the decision that brings down the American empire will be made by an alienated guy who works for the Feds or one of the major corporations. The regime will be in its death-throes, calling for help from all of its ostensive allies, and this guy will let the phone just ring. And in the background (cue ominous music, sharp zoom in) will be a pastel brushable pony doll.
I would put it this way. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, It’s the size of the fight in the dog. But a three legged dog doesn’t stand much of a chance anyway.
You misunderstand how the internet works here. Given the nature of the internet, our outreach is as effortless and omni-directional as the light of the sun. The light of the New Right falls on Alpha males and Beta spergs alike, and it is up to them to do what they will with it. My Nationalist Pony is obviously not to your taste, but they are the ones giving us a platform in a cultural sphere I had never heard of a week ago. At at Bronycon 2013, 12,000+ people showed up. AmRen has never broken 400. Equestria Daily gets 800,000 unique visitors/month (8x our traffic). Apparently there are millions of Bronies, and 5% of them are in the military, by the way. I don’t know if they are our prime audience, but they are white people who need to be awakened too, and pro-white ideas spread in ways that we cannot predict or control. I discover new White Nationalist websites all the time. This thing of ours is huge and growing, and I for one am not going to discourage different kinds of white people from trying to wake up people in their own subcultures just because I can’t related to these subcultures. I’m not into Black Metal either, but I am glad the whole scene is out there, and I know and like many people who are involved in it.
” My Nationalist Pony is obviously not to your taste, but they are the ones giving us a platform in a cultural sphere I had never heard of a week ago. ”
What makes you think we need anyone from this “cultural sphere”?
“We”? Who are you? You’re just a nameless commentator on the internet. You’re entirely odorless, colorless, and tasteless. Yet you assert that you are part of a “we” that should be excluding a “they.”
Let’s get real. I can no more prevent Bronies from reading this website than I can prevent you, whoever you are. I want to wake up all whites, including the whites that you don’t think are cool.
“Apparently there are millions of Bronies, and 5% of them are in the military, by the way.”
Yeah, I can believe that.
I love to read the insanity presented here each day. I never know what kind of nutty article will appear.
Casting such a wide and diverse umbrella to being in those that oppose the current right/liberal paradigm is going to protect the white race how? I suppose next we will see wonder black heavy metal artist joining the family. Oh wait, Alternative Right already featured such. With the wonderful wide open umbrella, you will cease to exist as a white national, you will become the wonderful multi-culti monster you seek to destroy.
Keep up the good work though. I see you are gaining a grand following. I will continue to keep your hit count up stopping by for a daily laugh.
Vox Day has your number Buttercup.
Hey, I was publishing Alex Kurtagic before Alt Right got him! nay, before Alt Right was even born.
A week ago, I had never heard of My Little Pony, My Nationalist Pony, or Bronies. And if I had heard about them, I would not have thought them a likely audience for New Right ideas. But I discovered that Counter-Currents had influenced the My Nationalist Pony blog, and it has been bringing our evangel to the Bronies. So when I learned this, I wanted to learn more about it. Hence the interview, which is an attempt to understand our influence and also to learn lessions that will help is extend it further. The internet being what it is, we have no more control on who we influence than the sun has on who receives its rays. The light of the New Right shines on all kinds of white people. But apparently, you don’t want to save our race. You just want to save whites who conform to your tastes, whatever they are.
If saving my race requires that i forego all my values and those our people historical held in high esteem, then hell yes would be my answer.
What is there to save when it has become just as putrid as the negroe culture around it. I have more disdain for a white boy walking around with his underwear showing, his hat twisted backwards, and his speech barely recognizable as English than i do the very black people they are emulating. They have lost more, much more.
To Douglas: that’s it, we need to drop out of this sissified culture where white men can only be losers to would-be negro masculinity, if we don’t strike terror in the eyes of the Negro masses, we’re going down just like the Afrikaners did. I read lots of articles here saying that we cannot insert by stealth our values in the mainstream culture, has Mr. Johnson somehow changed his mind?
Vox Day has your number Buttercup.
You mean Vox Day the Christian Zionist who wishes all the very best of well wishes to the Jews, even after citing how they have destroyed, and continue to destroy his nation? Vox Day that now resides in Italy far from the fray? You mean *that* Vox Day?
Lew, you’re wrong on this one. There are historical precedents for this phenomenon. Most people, let alone White Nationalists, are not aware that Bronies were critical in the early days of the formation of the SA. Many had, earlier, come from the ranks of the Freikorps.
Thank you so much for this. I saw this phenomenon and had no idea as to how to interpret it.
I am not entirely sure what I think of this, but at least the phenomenon of Bronies is interesting from a sociological point of view, and the dedicated effort by Buttercup to reach out to these dissillusionized fellow whites is inspiring.
The program creator’s last name is Faust. Synchronicity?
I’d be interested in knowing roughly how many bronies “Buttercup” has managed to influence into interpreting MLP the way he does. I have to admit that there are definitely some traditionalist themes going on there. The tripartite division of society (unicorns, pegasi, earth ponies) caught my eye.
Regardless, it’s hilarious.
I tried clicking on the video link that was in the article ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7UK7Mh0n4s ), and got this message from youtube:
This video contains content from Shout! Factory, LLC and Hasbro Studios LLC, one or more of whom have blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.
Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYFBATpN-3E
The whole Theology of Equestria is feminine. As are the main characters. I can’t for the life of me see how this caught on among young men. Maybe their brains are different? A very bad sign in any case. Maybe it gets better but I can’t watch anymore.
Whatever happened with the Furries? I heard about young European Men dressing up as animals and playing tricks on people – sometimes dangerous ones. I saw a clip of them digging a whole in a road which a car fell into. The Furries then hopped and loped over to the car and jumped on the roof. I mean at least that had some Shamanic potential. Imagine thousands of Furries converging on Parliament or hopping into Mosques. If you can’t rebel as Men perhaps you could as Animal totems.
In America the Furries seemed to be more of an Erotic movement. Jimmy Kimmel interviewed a Gay Furry and just let him talk. It was more than enough.
He-Man and Skeletor, anyone?
Some commenters here seem to me like old dear generals, always busy fighting the previous war… Furthermore, Germany was essentially beaten by Allied propaganda, both during AND after the war. It seems therefore of utmost importance to me to try anything to spread our message. And instead of grumbling, we should be grateful that someone is prepared to spend so much time and energy in diligently looking for solutions in his particular field of interest. He can be an example to many of us, I am sure.
You may need more time looking into how sick, perverse and anti-masculine these bronies can be. To get anywhere, we’ll need alpha males and in particular alpha males with martial ability to come forward at some point. Bronyism is anti-alpha and pro-omega.
I suspect that under the right circumstances James J. O’Meara’s homosexuals will behave like the women. When and if nationalism begins attracting more strong males, the homosexuals with creative ability and something to contribute will follow.
Whatever ‘bronyism’ is, it’s my intention to pull it back in the right direction.
So sayeth… ‘Buttercup’…
I need to watch some of the episodes but it really doesn’t surprise me if people are seeing White nationalist themes in a children’s cartoon. During tyrannical times people use allegories to get messages out. The whole subject of alchemy was really about changing consciousness, which was dangerous to write about during medieval times. Today anti-White, political correctness is the ruling tyrannical ideology so pro-Western artists find ways of getting these themes out covertly. The movie “Gremlins” was about the dangers of bringing non-Whites into White communities and sharing Western medicine with them.
I still need to examine this “brony” movement more closely (to see if it’s a giant troll operation or not) but if it gets people thinking about these issues then that’s a good thing.
What in the world is this? What next, will we try to recruit Christian Weston Chandler from Sonichu.com to the cause?
I think you are misunderstanding the chain of events here. A week ago, I had never heard of My Little Pony, My Nationalist Pony, or Bronies (although now I wonder about the ripped and tattooed thug who goes by the handle Classic Sparkle). And if I had heard about them, I would not have thought them a likely audience for New Right ideas. But I discovered that Counter-Currents had influenced the My Nationalist Pony blog, and it has been bringing our evangel to the Bronies. So when I learned this, I wanted to learn more about it. Hence the interview, which is both an attempt to learn about our network and to strengthen it. The internet being what it is, we have no more influence on who we influence than the sun has on who receives its rays. The light of the New Right shines on Alpha males and Bronies alike.
As we look into the Abyss, the Abyss looks into us. Perhaps we are only being allowed to think that we are influencing Bronyism. They may be a Trojan Horse entering into White Nationalism – a Horse filled with alien memes. And Butercup Dew? Ulysses himself, the protean Hero, the many minded man with a thousand schemes and faces.
Is this a parody of paranoia, or just paranoia?
The internet is the abyss. We are suns, sending our rays into the abyss. Most of them are lost in the infinite void. It is nice to see that some of those rays warm fertile ground and cause strange new things to sprout.
Well, Chris-chan is actually pretty pro-white. He’s known for disliking blacks and his characters include an Indian named Turdijerk and an asian named Ching Chong.
So bronyism isn’t trolling? That was always my impression, granted I never felt like “investigating” the issue.
Thanks for this, Greg. I’ve been aware of My Nationalist Pony for some time.
I’m the kind of man who is probably the exact opposite of a “brony”, but I do think we should be creative in how we conduct Nationalist outreach. If MNP manages to convert some “bronies” into full-feldged Nationalist activists and Counter-Currents readers and supporters, then I think it’s well worth it.
Buttercup Dew [I cringe as I type this] comes across as articulate and intelligent. It will be interesting to see where he takes this project.
If you want to see white themes in cartoons, i suggest you watch some of the early looney Tunes episodes. They were funny and sure didn’t hide the blatant race humor. And they didn’t try to make men into women.
Honestly, how can a race survive, when it’s own men can’t grow up psychologically speaking?
Really, this is ridiculous. No way this kind of “men” ever gonna come to such a “hateful” conclusion as white nationalism. We don´t need this kind of people, they will embaress and make us look stupid.
Search on youtube for bronyconvention and look at this people, and then tell me they´ll go WN. I even tried to look at one episode of MLP, could not stand 10 seconds, really, I felt sick.
Pete, I would have drawn the same conclusion from looking at the show, the sites, etc. But I would have been proven wrong by the fact that My Nationalist Pony already exists and has a readership.
If there are other white groups out there that you think need our message more, then by all means, create a blog and try to get the message out to them. That’s how our movement will grow.
Ok Greg, I hope you´re right..
But I stay a skeptic. That MLP series gotta be targeted at little girls under the age of like 7 years old. And here we have grown men following it..haha
Excellent work, Greg! The truth is we’re all a product of our times, so the best we can do is salvage who/what we can from modern culture. These are the cards we’ve been dealt. I’m not prepared to write off any of our people; today’s brony may well be tomorrow’s chief of police, Fortune 500 CEO, military general, congressman, etc. I want them in our corner.
Indeed, as I pointed out in my review of Philosophy 4: A Tale of Harvard, Kaiser Wilhelm’s favorite book to take on his yacht was The Golden Age, by Kenneth (Wind in the Willows) Graham; Teddy Roosevelt invited the author to the White House.
You make a fair point. Like it or not, Brony culture already exists just like black metal and PUA/game. If brony subculture is going anyway and it is, it can’t hurt to have new right ideas circulating in those domains.
@Donar van Holland
You make a good point about Bradley Manning. Glenn Greenwald reminds me of Manning. Except for Edward Snowden, I can’t think of anyone who has done more damage to the moral credibility of the US government in recent years than Manning and Greenwald (a transgender and an open homosexual with a feminine demeanor). One never knows who is going to step forward contribute something useful. I love the way Greenwald in particular handles questions from the US gov’s many lying whores and apologists in the mass media.
Well best of luck with that. The youngsters who post at 4chan say tumblr has recently become instrumental for the mass spreading anti-white memes, ideas and comic book history to the very young. I hope you can do your part to counter that.
My Little Pony, Bronies, and all that is all new to me. After reading Greg’s interview of Buttercup Dew (good work Buttercup), and then watching a recent episode of My Little Pony on youtube (colorful, cute, with socially good, constructive dialogue, and it’s very much “white” — not a nigger voice nor character nor any nigger affectation in there — that’s a relief).
The cause of saving the European race from its deliberate ongoing replacement (destruction) in America and Europe is a noble cause.
To save ourselves, we need ALL of our men — not just tough guys like NND above, who thinks all we need are a bunch of soldiers who can flex their muscles, throw a punch, and handle a gun or similar deadly weapon. Yes, soldiers are needed, but we also need a wide range of other men with other skills and strengths, to handle things on a wide range of fronts, including but not limited to media (propaganda), arts (visual and musical creations that please us), organization of others, and command (guidance of our racial society as a whole).
The simple reality is that a lot of the men that we need — not just to save ourselves and our future but also to create and sustain a racially healthy and pleasant-to-live-in society — are going to have some measure of feminine qualities as manifested in their personalities, and some will even have feminine taste in sexual matters.
A healthy, happy society besides being racially homogenous, also needs both the feminine and masculine side of things as manifested in its various men, not just the masculine side and the very masculine men.
For those who think all we need are the most masculine men, you already have it, just go to niggerville and live there, if that’s all you think we need, and see how far that gets you.
For those who think all we need are the most masculine men, you already have it, just go to niggerville and live there, if that’s all you think we need, and see how far that gets you.
“For those who think all we need are the most intelligent men, you already have it, just go to an American university and live there, if that’s all you think we need, and see how far that gets you.’
Thus, let’s recruit among retards. QED
An alternative: perhaps both of the extreme ends of the male behavioral bell curve are counter-productive? Sure, the defective-alpha ultra-machismo of Black/Hispanic societies leaves something to be desired. But people are not attracted to a perception of male effeminacy and weakness. Remember the cartoon here:
Ted, you say:
“Thus, let’s recruit among retards. QED”
That’s unfair of you, since by definition true “retards” are useless. Instead, to follow your analogy correctly:
“Thus, let’s recruit among the less intelligent, including the working class.”
Now, that’s true. So, what is your point exactly?
You then say:
“But people are not attracted to a perception of male effeminacy and weakness.”
The racial society/organization I imagine has ALL of our men, not just the masculine ones. Thus, for those who are attracted to masculine men and the image of masculine men, such men and image are there in that racial society/organization, and likewise for those who are attracted to men with some measure of feminine qualities and the image of such men, such men and image are also there in that racial society/organization.
Good points. Alphas can’t do anything without Betas to follow them. And I’ve noticed how so many new cartoons now have a mocking, raucous ghetto character in them. Pure child abuse and conditioning for future abuse.
I totally missed out on the “My Little Pony” thing, and me a cartoonist! I’ve made up for it a little, I hope, by quoting part of this and riffing on it here:
The wiki page says that the majority of bronies fall into the INTJ personality classification (as do I) which normally occurs in only 1-3% of the population.
Around 90% of VNN’s membership are INTJs if
I remember right. Can’t be a coincidence.
Interesting. I also test as INTJ, though my friend insists that I must have a “right-wing authoritarian personality” because of my views. This fits with the leftist narrative that anyone with right-wing views is either brainwashed or naturally (and willfully) ignorant, stupid and paranoid. I am actually pretty open-minded myself. Though might I risk being called paranoid for mentioning that the paper The Authoritarian Personality was published by the American Jewish Committee…
This interview was interesting. My little sister watches My Little Pony; maybe I will try and share some of this with her and see what she thinks.
I had never heard of My Little Pony until now but if it is true that both Lewis Carroll and J M Barrie wrote children’s books to get their message to the adults who would otherwise never read a book except to their children, then more power to MLP.
I find this entry offensive. It disturbs me on a level I find difficult to articulate. I really feel this genre of buffoonery undermines the CC project and will turn off the normal White men and women we need to accomplish our goals.
Please, for the love of God, if such a being exists, never post something like this again.
My own reaction mirrors that of “Mighty.”
And then we have this:
The contradiction between the male reality and “third gender” leftist fantasy about homosexual men was made very apparent to me at that time, so I never really bought the gay identity that the left was selling.
The problem is the person stating that uses the pseudonym “Buttercup Dew” and runs a website appealing to men obsessed with a cartoon targeted to pre-pubescent girls. I’m not sure that the best way to reject a stereotype is to embody it.
Subvert, subvert, subvert.
Dude, chill out. The cover of this week’s Bloomberg Businessweek has a unicorn on it. It’s a new world and we need ponies to deal with it!
Bronies might be the biggest audience of My Nationalist Pony, or they might not, but they’re far from the only audience.
MNP has been turning heads for a while and its done so by being clever, subversive, artistic, satirical, and just flat out hilarious.
Endorsing bronies or not endorsing bronies is to miss the point – this is high concept, grade A subversion which gets noticed by smart people.
If we had ten divisions of Buttercups, our troubles would be over very quickly.
It is axiomatic: under stress, we tend to regress. The Brony people KNOW they have been deeply and profoundly betrayed, and, I would imagine, are literally coping with the external world with a Childish alternative, one they can grasp and control in its entirety. They are totally invalidated save as workertools by the social order, which is openly antagonistic to them, and, implicitly, to the values they were raised in.
They are starting over from scratch, and, if they can each send some money to counter-currents, each and every month, then THAT is a foundation we can build upon.
It’s what Covington said: Movement Past failed for many reasons, but most of all because the “Leadership” did not offer something better, much damn better, AND show them how to build a bridge from where they were, to where they wanted to be, and then cross it.
Like I said: if we can get the Brony Brotherhood to kick in money to counter-currents, each and every month, we will be able to more effectively build the Framework they need to be effective in a world that is openly hostile to them, and openly antagonistic to their beliefs – which are developing in a safe place, for now.
They are learning that it is all right to crawl, and they are validated by their true peers. That’s a start, and, in time, Peter Pan can become Captain Hook – when he needs to access that Aspect of his Persona.
Of course, sending money to counter-currents, each and every month, without fail, is a foundation for the Lighthouse they will need. Let’s hope they invest in the better future…
While they can.
I like to think that my work ‘show[s] them [bronies] how to build a bridge from where they are, to where they want(ed) to be’, in terms of understanding themselves and coming to terms with white nationalism as a real and viable answer as providing them with a meaningful identity (which they are clearly desperate for). All the practical aspects of self improvement are already well covered by other people I respect online. My basis is very much on emphasising humility before the facts in order to accept oneself and improve oneself.. in order to be part of an ethnonationalist order as an ideal.
Bear in mind that the message of counter currents will reach these people in no other way other than piercing their escapism bubbles. Other commentators here might see flamboyantly dishonourable nutcases, I see lonely, isolated young men holding onto their last scrap of hope to fulfill a meaningful existence rather than a materialist one.
It is my firm belief that simply lecturing young men accomplishes nothing. They need to be illuminated with insight and understand why they feel isolated and how they have been betrayed by the status quo, though I tend to do this by contrast in order to maintain a we-ought rather than a we-are theme. It is also my firm belief that nothing said on the right is Genius Level stuff, and that most whites can form at least a rudimentary grasp of it if it is coherently, succinctly and clearly explained in a way that captivates them. Tankers of ink have been spilled in defense of the right, but ultimately a facebook share of a powerful infographic is worth more.
As anyone who has followed my twitter feed has noticed, I’m actually retiring from my blog – This was my last hurrah. My ‘Buttercup’ identity is absolutely loaded with personal neurosis and symbolism and consumes a huge amount of time and emotional energy. I feel all of it has been put to good use. I have got the word out, had a lot of fun, and opened more than a few eyes to my radically different, racialist and aspirational worldview that I am proud to say can act as a powerful antidote to existential despair and the lies of pervasive feelgoodery. I have a lot of real world self development to pursue and fulfill, and in order to make good on my personal potential I have to give this brony thing a break and stop identifying as one of the shows characters. In short, I’ve reached the limits of the pony analogy – though perhaps I could still exploit its notoriety – but in order to develop as a person outside of a Twitter feed, I’m hanging up my horseshoes for the moment. MNP may return but obviously a one-joke blog has to end sometime.
It is my hope that this resource persists and becomes a known history of someone who went all-in with what he believed in, and accomplished a significant amount with it.
I’ll be back. See you in Valhalla,
Might I recommend you look at the posts of our own avant-garde Culture Warrior, James J. O’Meara, with an eye to passing the baton for him to maintain the site in your (hopefully, all too temporary) absence?
Diana West wrote a wonderful book on how badly we have been “infantalized” by the Culture over generations, with the result that all too many of our young men need a standard benchmark to measure themselves against, as a foundation for their further development. The depth of this transformation can be sen in many example, one of which is the amazing acceptance of gay marriage among those under thirty. The pollsters are stunned by the depth of this transformation in the Culture, from Stonewall (1968) to Federal action supporting it (2013). Forty-five years. The blink of an eye, Culturally speaking. Such is the power of color television as the omnipresent telescreen.
These are facts on the ground, and can not be wished away, or ignored.
ALL historically Masculine social structures have been feminized, with an eye to removing men altogether. The reaction of the Bronyists is understandable. This is a structured milieu they can agree upon, and expand upon, as they move towards acceptance of themselves – “I am not alone in the world! People I respect feel the same way I do!” – and transformation of themselves on THEIR terms, which are not at all incompatible with OUR terms.
From impotence and ineffectiveness to empowerment and effectiveness is a worthwhile journey for them, and us, come to think of it.
And, we must start where we are. It’s a very good place to start.
I propose James J. O’Meara as our Ambassador to the Bronyists.
My Nationalist Pony works as a conceptual art project. It combines unexpected ideas to make you see them both in a new way.
As a major theme in any movement, it’s “gender poison.” If you have more than 10% or so of any group doing something culturally or viscerally associated with women, for instance, the majority of men will do anything to distance themselves from that group.
That actually has a lot to do with the way men feel about homosexuality unless it is presented to them in a very specific way. Throw in some drag queens and glitter and men who aren’t emasculated already will want to make sure you know they don’t approve of it in any context outside of comedy.
This is a VERY good point. I will have to keep my eye on the weird meter.
The conundrum is this: like any radical movement, WNs attract people who are outside the mainstream. But too many such people make it difficult to break into the mainstream, or to move the mainstream in our direction. On the other hand, I think it is important to trace and understand how New Right thought is penetrating different subcultures.
Beyond that, there is something vile about people who spurn or disavow the friendship of uncool people to court the favor of cool mainstream people — “mainstream” meaning people who have their heads up their asses. I’m not going to throw Hitler or you or Buttercup Dew under the bus because to make squeamish outsiders more comfortable, although I’m not going to paint the bus pink either.
Don’t get me wrong, I kind of like that there are these bizarre threads of this right wing thing and I think seeing stuff like this occasionally makes outsiders question their assumptions about something they don’t understand. The aim of any movement like this should be to develop culture, and that means pulling creative thinkers into the mix who can come up with new ideas.
I don’t think it’s about “denouncing” or “throwing anyone under the bus.” That kind of stuff seems to be all WNs know how to do most of the time. They run around denouncing each other and saying how this or that is going to ruin us. It would be great if some of these prissy types could get off their high horses and just say “that’s not my thing, but it’s interesting and kind of on our side” instead of going off the deep end over every little thing like most people are even paying attention.
MNP has always been supportive of my work. While I’m sure he can guess why aesthetically I can’t run around singing his praises to my target audience of disillusioned straight men and bitter agnostic military vets, I actually just linked to him from a comment thread online where I was trolling some mainstream gay kid who was lecturing me about tolerance, because I knew something like MNP would fry his brain. So, it’s not my thing, but I think it’s cool that it is out there.
My point was that if you go over a certain line of exposure with things that read feminine, most men will write you off and stop paying attention. It happens with all kind of cultural trends and niches. It’s actually a sociological term that I think is valid (shocker) and maybe I should research it and write an article about it.
I can’t begin to describe how cringe-inducingly twee I find the aesthetics of My Little Pony, or how cringe-inducingly geeky the Bronycon videos are, so believe me, I get your point about not having too much feminine stuff, whether female or gay or brony, since we don’t want to lose our core male audience, and I fully believe that WN has to be a predominantly male movement.
I would appreciate it if you would write about the phenomenon of men withdrawing from things where too many women or effeminate males (straight or gay) are represented.
But yeah, I’m still glad that Buttercup Dew is out there putting White Nationalist ideas in front of people who are absorbed in Brony subculture. It can’t hurt. And frankly, it is flattering personally and heartening for our authors to see that they are being read by intelligent people who want to take them further.
I’m not accusing you of the low church, New England village shunning that infects the movement. But you should see some of the concern troll comments I have had to delete!
Greg I never comment on this site but I find this too disheartening. I never liked My Nationalist Pony the moment I saw his blog. My Little Pony is too feminine. In any sane society, masculinity and femininity are in constant dialogue, within masculinity dominating (naturally) the narrative. But no likes Bronies. NO ONE. Unlike skinheads, they are merely disliked disgusting creepy omegas, not feared or hated.
If you want to reach out to young people, look on tumblr. White Nationalists, Reactoinaries, Tradtionalists are there, and very young, and gaining newcomers. Most of them aren’t quite sure what “traditionalism” means other than vague anti-1960s ideals, but most are explicitly anti-Enlightenment. One of the most popular White Nationalist blogs is someofmybestfriendsarewhite.tumblr.com. Run by a young Englishman, he destroys arguments of leftists, as well as evangelizing, but is funny and satirical (with great use of humorous gifs of polar bears) Another popular one is collowrath.tumblr.com run by a 17yo American girl. She constantly gains the ire of leftoids, but comes off as reasonable, levelheaded and witty.
I’ve found a surprising number of young white nationalists, I’d say majority of them women, on tumblr. Yes, we’re outnumbered. Vastly. But we make new recruits all the time. Alot of WN bloggers will talk about how “closet racists” will follow them, like their posts, but not reblogging so their normal friends don’t see their closet racism on their “normal” teenage blog. I’m seeing mostly young people do this.
It is working. Look here, leftoids and Jews complain of THEIR OWN ACQUAINTANCES sympathizing with “Neo-Nazis” cos we’re good debaters and reasonable: http://i-once-had-a-goy-tell-me.tumblr.com/post/72492502992/i-know-someone-irl-who-is-friends-with-neo-nazis-on
And of course there are alpha males like this former American soldier, who follows Jack Donovan’s teachings. http://plowsharesintoswords.tumblr.com/
Counter-currents should consider getting a tumblr. If nothing for just another social media outlet. Don’t debate anyone, just follow White Nationalists and post links to articles. Like a facebook page, only the demographic is younger, people who use it, use it often and debate, discussion and fighting is much more encouraged.
Of course tumblr and the internet aren’t enough, but I’m seeing us grow. Youtube did this for a bit, it converted me during my teen years, it still might convert others, but its inertia as a site is dying.
We need artists and men brave enough to stand in public (Matthew Heimbach and Matt Parrott are pioneering it). But I think MNP will just scare those people away. Too girly, too childish. Even if it has implicit whiteness so what? Do you really want those people? Even 4chan makes fun of bronies. They’re the same kinds who have those huge pillows with Japanese anime characters on them to make dry humping masturbation somehow more palatable. They are reviled by everyone as pathetic.
Jesse, why do you find it disheartening? My Nationalist Pony is, to me, a heartwarming story of how New Right ideas have spread into a pretty far out subculture. I did the interview to learn about it and share the information with our readers. Maybe some of them will the inspired to stake out a White Nationalist space in their part of the world.
Do you conclude, therefore, that I have lost my mind and decided that White Nationlism needs to be transformed by My Little Pony? The influence flows the other way.
As for Tumblr: thanks for the heads up. I’m too swamped as it is to add another project, but I encourage others to stake out New Right spaces there.
Lighten up, disheartened ones, and take it with a grain of salt! As Jack Donovan said, I think as well this works best as a subversive conceptual art project (a bit like UNPOP art movement maybe), and a campy tongue-in-cheek thing that might have some subterrenean influence. At least nobody can say now that the WN/New Right blogosphere isn’t “diverse”, “colorful” and “vibrant” enough.
Here’s a link:
While I may be one of the intolerant “prissy” types to which Jack Donovan refers, I nevertheless agree with the major premise of his comments. MNP may well be an interesting sociological study of how far-right ideas can infiltrate aspects of “pop culture” and if there are lessons to be learned, fine. The whole “brony” thing should be studied because it is, in my opinion, a frightening window into the degeneration of White men, and we can understand what’s going on.
But, giving a spotlight to such things, presenting them as was done here will – like it or not – repulse many men otherwise interested in this blog’s message. Many will have a reaction similar to myself or the other critical commentators. In my case, it’s not just a reaction to things feminine (although that is a large part), but also a reaction to what I see as juvenile – hence my negative reaction to the PUA types, which are in a sense the opposite of the bronies. That may be my prissyism at work, so be it. That’s my reaction. Others may be different, but that leads to the next point.
There’s a lot of weirdness in the “movement.” How to draw the line? Look, first, we understand – our CORE message is going to be viewed as “weird” by the mainstream. WN itself is viewed as unsavory by many. But, and here is the key point – that is our core message and we can’t compromise on that.
What we can do however is make sure we don’t add any superfluous weirdness to the core. We must make sure to reject attempts by others to interject their personal obsessions to racial nationalism. For example, I can think of one blog that shall go nameless, that had posters presenting their ideas on the moon landings as a hoax, there’s no connection whatsoever between smoking and lung cancer, posting porno pictures of women with smiley faces covering their nipples, etc. Whatever your personal reaction/opinion on those issues/items, what do they really have to do with our core message? Is it necessary? If you have some sort of “pet” issue or personal interest that is “weird” but is also superfluous to the CORE of what we need to move forward, it is best to keep it private.
I use this litmus test: let’s assume that the key message of White racial preservation and the legitimacy of White interests is considered acceptable. Let’s assume that our CORE message is not a problem. Is their anything additional to that – that can be reasonably be considered weird? Don’t add on things that will repulse a large fraction of your audience which are not part of the core message.
Bronyism may be an interesting topic of study as an example of sociological morbidity among Whites. But adding anything like that to our core message, associating it with our core message, is adding an unnecessary layer of weirdness that makes people tune us out. Our core message is controversial enough.
Ted, this was never about adding Bronyism to our core message. (I’m not sure how that would be possible, in any case.) The whole point of the interview was to learn about how our message has been injected into the Brony subculture.
I also question the assumption that Bronyism is merely a symptom of cultural decline, for the simple reason that one of its dominant tendencies is the rejection of postmodern irony and cynicism to embrace an admittedly cloying vision of innocence and wholesomeness and idealism. There’s something very healthy about that impulse. My Nationalist Pony is trying to channel that idealism in a racially-positive direction. Where’s the harm in that?
The harm is, as I quote Donovan:
My point was that if you go over a certain line of exposure with things that read feminine, most men will write you off and stop paying attention.
Is it possible to have male-oriented idealism? The fact that idealism has to be overlaid upon a foundation of what the PUAers sarcastically term “grrlll power” is an indication of pathology. It’s the same with society at large. There’s a “war on women,” yet it is men who are discriminated against in hiring, in divorce courts, higher suicide rates, higher unemployment rates, etc. We worry about “role models for girls in school,” while boys drop out more, and are under-represented in college. Must everything in the larger society be geared to girls and women? The PUAers do have a point about this being a women-empowered society in which “betas” (the ones who actually make the wheels of society run) are treated like dirt. So, what? To find idealism, these betas need to behave like a bunch of sissies?
Was the He-Man cartoon meant to be a cynical and campy (a phenomenon I detest, and which turns off straight men more than anything else) comment on masculinity, or a legitimate boys-oriented action cartoon? At this point, I can’t even tell anymore. But, regardless, I’d find an obsession with male-oriented American or even Japanese classic cartoons – He-Man, Mighty Max, Gigantor, Speed Racer, or even some of the Warner Brothers stuff – better than a girlish message using multicolored ponies.
So is your main objection to the cartoon itself? I am sure it is not the kind of cartoon you would make or watch. Nor is it the kind of cartoon I would make or watch. Nor would I think that people who are into this subculture are likely candidates for conversion. Not would I feel comfortable at Bronycon 2014 (coming soon to a city near you!).
But I am glad that My Nationalist Pony tailors our message to that audience. I think it is fascinating to trace the influence of New Right thought. And I am sure that next week, I will come across something even weirder. But I have accepted that I am not in control of the process by which ideas spread. I have also accepted that if I tried to excercise complete control over this process, and if I were particularly worried about how the reception of ideas by the “wrong” people affects my image, I would probably be far less effective.
The sun does not worry about where it’s light falls. Neither should we.
I agree, but before someone tunes out, they have to have a reason to tune in, even if only for spectacle. Bear in mind a lot of men are immunised against being repulsed by the feminine (obviously). Those that are repulsed were never my target audience. When all is said and done, though, the limited nature of it is why I’ve brought it to a close.
Most commentators seem to think I endorse the flamboyant retardation of bronies and their awful narcissism and documentaries. I do not. I started my blog with the primary purpose of contradicting the brony message of nancy-pampy niceness and tolerance with the actual message of show, which is ethnonationalist traditionalism and self improvement (honest self improvement being something impossible to a true liberal, as everyone is ‘fine as they are.’)
Having been to brony meets, I can say that they are very weird and they alternate between aspie nerd convention materialism and genuine, super-traditionalist barn dance type moments throughout. At times it really is awful. At other times it really is magical. The kind of magic that I suppose most White Nationalists envision comes from being at an all-white, our people community meeting or celebration. Why would you bother being a white nationalist otherwise? Why be embittered if it wasn’t the belief that such a scene is lost to you? Bronies and leftists get antagonised because they don’t understand themselves, or the world. They’ll always want to make you go away until you help them cope with facing up to reality. Of course noone can do that for everyone, it’s impossible. But a ‘degenerate’ is better placed as a potential friend and ally than as another foe. If a white person can be awakened, better related to than not.
I agree, I am subverting the die-hard, last white man standing, stoney-faced ideal heterosexual warrior image some white nationalists wish to project. But look at how many Facebook recommends this has. I admit consistently, the subject matter and angle is ridiculous. But the essence of a good joke is that not everyone can get it right away. Smart satire gets noticed. Are you really listening to what I have to say, or just reacting against your perceptions?
Bronies and white nationalists are seemingly diametrically opposed, but the truth is bronies need a more meaningful identity than pastel horses, and white nationalists need to learn to drop the hard men act and to make friends. People don’t think bad of you – They simply don’t think of you at all. If they do either think of you by circumstance or chance, their first mental image is that of a cartoon thug, or a socially isolated bookworm. I’d say my image of a grumpy pony is preferable to that. It’s at least humourous and relatable.
I’m not subverting either side in favour of the other. I’m subverting both. Bronydom might go away in future, but white nationalism has to learn to address the difficult questions. Can we fulfill a masculine ideal and still entertain an affection for a little girls show? What sort of man do we classify as the Aryan ideal? Is a utilitarian sociopath with no feelings of his own, or an aristocrat that accepts and endorses beauty when he finds it? What makes bronies tick, and what makes them so fanatical? Could it be that they are liberal pansies who want their weakness smiled upon, or is it something more traditionalist and instinctual? Or could it be both?
It’s not me. It’s all you. How you react shows you who you really are and what you really value. That’s the point. Can you get over yourselves? Do you have the courage to extend the hand of friendship to your existing and potential allies, where I’ve pointed out where they can be found? Or do you want to stay on comment threads railing against anyone who pierces your bubble community of internet screenames, where it’s nice and cosy and established and… safe?
It doesn’t matter who we are. What matters is whether we formulate and effect a plan.. Noone cared who I was until I became a pony. Theatricality and deception, powerful agents to the uninitiated. But we are iniated, aren’t we?
Very insightful post.
Hey, one of my favorite singers was/is Freddy Mercury. So a little flamboyancy and something out of the norm doesn’t make me uneasy or immediately block out a message. But I’m gonna have to draw the line at My Little Pony. Next thing you know I’m a grown man checking under my bed for the boogeyman every night, and sitting on Santa’s lap while he strokes my hair and asks if I’ve been a bad boy this year. Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t think that kind of metamorphosis is something I could willingly enter into without heavy sedation and a signed contract for a pot of gold waiting for me at the end of the rainbow.
A load of strawman arguments that doesn’t advance the cause it purports to support.
Thus: if you are repulsed by grown men obsessing over little girls’ cartoons, they you represent some sort of Rambo-Terminator “hard man” stereotype, the typical “Internet warrior” afraid to reach out in new horizons.
Well, OK. Let’s fuse WN to Judy Garland camp:
why not? And, then, I’m sure there’s lots of transgenders out there, ready and willing to embrace nationalist memes. And more than willing to physically embrace WNs.
Why not? Embrace new friends!
So much for me getting the last word.
‘Transgenderism’ is not in agreement with biological determinism/recognition that men/women/different races are biologically distinct, so I wouldn’t tell WNs to look for allies in those who cannot step outside of the ideological camp of Feelings First. That, my friend, is how to recognise and deconstruct a straw man argument.
Please, be serious. I am telling WNs to consider their demographic and consider their product, and consider that we are in a very bizarre time, and that sometimes truth takes an unlikely form. To quote the latest episode of My Little Pony:
We travel the road of generations
Joined by a common bond
We sing our song ‘cross the pony nation
From Equestria and beyond
Do not refuse your potential allies by lumping them in with your enemies because they come from a different cultural sphere. Just who’s side are you on, anyway? The side of Whites, or the side of Whites Who Also Agree With Your Ideals? White Nationalism is a single issue macro-cause, and anything done to advance that cause is a good thing. Think man, think!
This reminds me of the masks in Greek tragedy. Or Oscar Wilde: “Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.”
“Reality is not easy, but all this make-believe doesn’t make it easier.”
― Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Infidel
This reminds me of “Nationalist Hip Hop” — a strange phenomenon occasionally seen in the past decade, especially in Europe.
I recall especially the case of a German teenage girl “rapper” a few years ago who achieved some fame under the name “Dee Ex”. She caught the media’s eye for a time with her openly nationalistic, pro-German, and even pseudo-racialist lyrics. German racialists’ opinion was split on her: Is it okay to use “rap” to promote White racial issues? In final analysis, I personally don’t think it is. The pro-DeeEx camp had the good point, though, that Rock-and-Roll probably didn’t seem a fit for White racialism either in, say, the ’50s, but by the ’80s was a cornerstone of (a certain kind of) WN across the world in the form of “RAC”. Hitler and co would’ve probably had no time at all for Ian Stuart’s music.
If you want to reach out to young people, look on tumblr.
According to the young who post at 4chan, the tumblr platform is at the cutting edge for pushing Judaic propaganda into a new cultural space mainly occupied by the young.
The most deranged, robotic and cult-like so-called “Social Justice Warriors” are on tumblr spreading and “reblogging” anti-white memes and claims. The claims that they spread are so crude and obviously false they should be laughable to anyone with even a minimally appropriate education, except that isn’t the audience on tumblr.
The main audience on tumblr appears to be kids who were born in the mid-90s or early 2000s. They can’t recognize lies and propaganda when they see them, because they don’t have the knowledge to do so. They are indoctrinated with anti-white ideas in the schools. The indoctrination is then reinforced all over the culture in the mass media and now on places like tumblr when they young go online.
If we believe that what goes on in the wider culture is important, and that a key to the enemy’s power and success has been their control of the opinion-shaping institutions in the wider culture, then it only makes sense that we watch every cultural space carefully.
Although brony culture is sickening and repulsive, when a person is right, he is right. “Buttercup Dew” – I had to type that through clinched teeth -is probably right about the impact of “info-graphics” on the minds of the impressionable young.
It has to be the reason that Jews and other anti-whites bombard tumblr with endless variations of propaganda like this. For anyone who is not familiar with the “info-graphic” technique, I suggest you take a moment to scrutinize these examples and think on the assumptions behind them, keeping in mind that this is representative of what’s being delivered to the young on a large scale on tumblr.
Oh, so you’re afraid of whites being a minority…
What Racism Means Versus What White People Think It Means
A Concise History of Black-White Relations in the USA
This kind of well-honed propaganda has JEW written all over it. Anyone disagree? Although I can’t prove it, I believe it’ likely that Jews have invaded the tumblr space like they invade all cultural spaces and are using it to their advantage.
I don’t believe 16 – 18 year olds are creating propaganda that mock whites with such compact communication efficiency. Many of the blogs might be run by the young, but the memes they are spreading strike me as too well-honed in terms of their propaganda value to have been created by people that young.
Starting a simple tumblr blog and following nationalists is probably something everyone can do with very little effort. I’m going to do it myself. And if anyone has connections with BUGS, it might be worth it to suggest they pay more attention to tumblr going forward if they’re not already doing it. The kind of work that BUGS does lends itself to the fast blogging info graphic format.
I frequent tumblr sites for material for my posts. I see many many many pro-white sites in tumblr. Many display “No White Genocide” slogans. And there are many very pro-Hitler sites in tumblr.
This show isn’t really my thing, but I certainly don’t think watching MLP is any worse than watching Black people throw balls around on TV. And I’ve long ago made peace with the fact that there’s a surprisingly large number of WN’s who simply can’t get enough of watching two groups of Africans try and throw a ball through a hoop.
My Nationalist Pony is, to me, a heartwarming story of how New Right ideas have spread into a pretty far out subculture. I did the interview to learn about it and share the information with our readers. Maybe some of them will the inspired to stake out a White Nationalist space in their part of the world.
I’m sure that was the intention (and that’s how I understood it), but I think the interview gave the impression that you were impressed NANR ideas had penetrated into this particular subculture. Sort of, “Yay, we’ve penetrated the ranks of bronies. Now we really know we’re getting somewhere.” And by making the point that bronies attracted 12,000 to their convention while Amren is yet to break 500, it’s all too easy for someone to erroneously conclude you’re distancing yourself from your own project (from the “core,” as someone said) and hitching yourself to something that appears to be “working,” and asking that your readers do the same. If the purpose of explaining the penetration and affect of NANR ideas on a far out subculture were made more clearly in the article and interview I think much of the confusion could have been avoided.
Maybe you’re right, but I just think that people weren’t reading too carefully.
Now, if New Right ideas break into the Malibu Stacy subculture, then I’ll know we’ve arrived.
Let’s not fall down into fighting with one another. Bronies and Southern Nationalists can find common ground, as can Bronies who support Mr. Covington’s Northwest Front. Let’s concentrate our energies against the truckers, pussyfooters, libertarian loons, and liberals. Personally, I’d like to find a young wife, like those beautiful young White ladies competing in this year’s Austrailian Tennis Open.
Thanks for your peacemaking gesture, but on these pages, our disagreements have been aired in a civil manner. It is elsewhere that malevolent, pathologically mendacious trolls are trying to make an issue out of it, without much consequence, I might add, since I am pleased that Counter-Currents does not find favor in the ranks of slavery and genocide enthusiasts. Really, I am not sure I want to find common ground with such people. Let’s make like cancer cells and divide.
I encourage all white Bronies to Come Home and help the Northwest Front secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.
This is “Jack Ryan” impersonating Harold Covington, obviously in an attempt to troll. “Jack” is now banned from commenting here.
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