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Oratorical Terrorism:
How Scott Terry Ruined CPAC

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The Republican Party faithful are in a blind panic, desperate for answers and clarity in the wake of a devastating defeat. This year’s CPAC was an opportunity for them to gather under one roof and chart a path forward.

The usual suspects made the usual arguments.

Ron Paul’s housebroken vanguard insisted that obsessively blathering about the Constitution and “liberty” would guarantee victory.

The wonks lamented their inferior logistical framework, promising to catch up with the DNC’s 2012 ground game by 2016.

The mouthpieces of the technicolor technocrats who actually control the RNC promised more minority outreach, hipness, and amnesty.

Ann Coulter delivered on her shtick, staking out the most politically incorrect position allowed inside the tent. This year, to her credit, she’s declared herself a single-issue voter against the amnesty being crammed down our throats by the Beltway insiders.

But Ann Coulter was upstaged this year by the debut of a new bomb-thrower at CPAC: White Nationalism’s very own Scott Terry. Scott asked a question during the Q&A phase of a workshop entitled “Trump The Race Card: Are You Sick And Tired Of Being Called A Racist When You Know You’re Not One?”

“It seems to be that you’re reaching out to voters at the expense of young white Southern males,” Terry said, adding he “came to love my people and culture” who were “being systematically disenfranchised.”

The Black man leading the presentation, K. Carl Smith, calmly and directly fielded the question.

In a counter-intuitive turn of events, even the Black attendees were sympathetic to Terry . . .

Chad Chapman, 21, one of the few black attendees, said overall he enjoyed the event — except “there were lots of interruptions, mainly because of the woman.”

I asked whether he was concerned about the question from Terry and Heimbach.

“No they were just telling the truth,” he said.

The presenter even released a statement in the aftermath declaring that he had befriended Terry.

I was invited by the Tea Party Patriots to conduct a breakout session entitled: “Trump The Race Card” and share the Frederick Douglass Republican Message. In the middle of my delivery, while discussing the 1848 “Women’s Rights Convention,” I was rudely interrupted by a woman working for the Voice of Russia. She abruptly asked me: “How many black women were there?” This question was intentionally disruptive and coercive with no way of creating a positive dialogue.

In addition, a young man who wasn’t a Tea Party Patriot, made some racially insensitive comments, he said: “Blacks should be happy that the slave master gave them shelter, clothing, and food.” At the conclusion of the breakout session, I further explained to him the Frederick Douglass Republican Message which he embraced, bought a book, and we left as friends.

This was baffling for the dozens of mainstream media outlets reporting on the scandalous case of a White man having the nerve to ask why nobody’s speaking to his interests.

It reminds me of an incident a few years back when I was counter-demonstrating a pro-amnesty group. A large group of Hispanic immigrants stood opposite our much smaller contingent and an intelligent debate broke out. We argued back and forth about the meaning of citizenship, the relationship between ethnicity and nationalism, and the impact of third world immigration.

As we were arguing, a young blonde woman who was joining the protest from Indiana University scolded the Mexicans with a gratingly syrupy lisp, “Come on, guys! You’re just giving these bigots a platform. Let’s keep it moving . . .”

“No.” The English-fluent Mexican who had taken the lead in the debate shot back. “We’re having a constructive debate.”

We then carried on back and forth for several more minutes, with the White girl sighing like a frustrated mother of wayward toddlers and wandering away.

Minorities and immigrants prefer to think of themselves as sentient and mature adults, whereas White liberals see them as their racially handicapped dependents. Contrary to popular belief, White Supremacism didn’t miraculously vanish overnight in the sixties, it transformed into contemporary liberalism: Supremacism with a Smile. People who are truly equal don’t need to be protected like children from adult conversations. People who are truly equal aren’t emotionally devastated by political contention.

I accept the scientific consensus that there are real and consequential differences in the average intelligence, but a caveat is necessary: There is no human as willfully, malignantly, and self-destructively stupid as a White person in the throes of a moral panic. Charles Mackay declared in Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds that “Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.”

Scott Terry Pierces the Popular DelusionCPAC’s organizers intended to whip the crowd even deeper into the anti-White diversity cult, but one by one, young men like Scott Terry, Matt Heimbach, and others at the conference are recovering their senses. And as with the fable, The Emperor’s New Clothes, it only takes a handful of humble voices in the crowd speaking the truth to imperil a popular delusion.

Slate journalist Dave Weigel’s declaration that Matt and Scott had “ruined everything” was delivered tongue-in-cheek, but it’s essentially accurate. It genuinely only takes one single person speaking up in the audience to utterly devastate the GOP’s fragile, awkward, and disingenuous minority outreach efforts.

RNC Chairman Reince Preibus just announced a $10 million initiative to reach out to minority voters, a project that can assuredly be negated by merely ten men or women throughout America with the courage to stand up and ask why the party’s not reaching out to them, too.

The GOP is panicking because it’s pinned between an impossible effort to recruit minorities and immigrants and the unthinkable specter of becoming the de facto party of White interests and identity. History has proven time and again that unthinkable events will happen despite the wishes, prayers, and the multi-million dollar campaigns of those who would wish it away.

We White Advocates have a tremendous amount of philosophical, organizational, and local work to do if we expect to secure a future for our children, but all we have to do to thwart the Republican Party’s attempts to betray us is to periodically show up and indulge in some oratorical terrorism.



  1. Aaron
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    I could not agree more.

  2. Jack Laurent
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    Chad Chapman, 21, one of the few black attendees, said overall he enjoyed the event — except “there were lots of interruptions, mainly because of the woman.”

    I asked whether he was concerned about the question from Terry and Heimbach.

    “No they were just telling the truth,” he said.

    What I’m about to say may be open to the charge of “looking to blacks for validation of racial awareness”… however, that’s the world we live in. Honest and educated black men and women can’t deny the things we’re saying on this because they’ve already heard the same thing from Malcolm X and the NOI (my two favorite examples), they’re aware it’s not racist to be concerned with ones own people and that -as the divisive media will insist- it’s not “motivated out of hate of the other, but out of love of for your own”.

    This is the kind of the point that people need to understand and if white people are timid because they’re afraid of the racism allegation, then point this out to them; it’s the truth and it works.

  3. Junghans
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    That’s a very good thing that Matt & Scott attended this conclave of reactionary, race-denying, hypocrites and wishful thinking Republikaners, and threw verbal pointed wrenches into their phony political works. Pretentious ‘Conservatives’, as well as the delusional Tea Party, and the brainwashed Faux News bunch, needed a splash of in-your-face White racial medicine.

  4. Lew
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    At first, I thought the “thank him for food and housing” line was a blunder. Now I’m not so sure. When you make a comment like that, it’s bound to get attention because of the media’s zeal for exposing “racists.” It would be interesting to know if that was a planned line or off the cuff.

  5. EssEm
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    There is no human as willfully, malignantly, and self-destructively stupid as a White person in the throes of a moral panic.

    Amen, brutha.

  6. Jaego
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Most Republicans and Tea Partiers think that giant hordes of Blacks are always on the verge of beating down their doors to join the Party. It’s not in their perceived interest and it’s not going to happen. That a few professional bow tie Blacks are willing to admit a partial truth changes nothing. If and when Whites take back their Power, that’s the end of the Black Middle Class, the begining of massive rioting, and either the begining of an overt Police State and/or the begining of the Revolution.

    • JustAWhiteMom
      Posted March 18, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

      Wasn’t there a black middle class before integration?

      • Jaego
        Posted March 18, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

        Yes, there was a small Black middle class. That’s different than the one we have now which is the result of discrimination against Whites. This one has to go before a real one can come back – hopefully in their own Country.

        Soon (unless we are careful) we will have Black White Nationalists. Remember, not everyone on the far right believes race matters or that it even exists. We live in an Age of Ideology. Do not doubt that it can twist our Movement into a parody of itself as it did in both France and England. They were of the Far Right too yet they just couldn’t bring themselves to affirm Race strongly enough – it goes agains the ethos of this fallen age, so cut as it is from Nature.

      • JustAWhiteMom
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

        Thanks Jaego. I just wanted to say I completely agree with you that non-whites will never vote for Republicans and they are foolish to try to court that vote. Come to think of it, we know they’re not stupid, they are infiltrated.

  7. Posted March 18, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    I think what happens is that intelligent Blacks are so sick of being patronized by White liberals they’d rather hang out with White nationalists. Anyhow, quoted, linked and riffed on here:

  8. Joseph Bishop
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    >…The GOP is panicking because it’s pinned between an impossible effort to recruit minorities and immigrants and the unthinkable specter of becoming the de facto party of White interests and identity… <

    I don't know where the 'specter' would be coming from, as the RP will never be that. It has already decided to do the futile doomed-to-failure 'reach out' thing to the 'racially handicapped' (I like that term) and will forever sit on the sidelines becoming increasingly ireelevant to anything. With each passing election cycle, whites will become a small minority while the democrats will just grow in strength and power. That is the simple consequence of open borders, amnesties, low white birthrate, etc.

    What we HAVE, and WILL HAVE, are simply TWO parties devoted to white extinction, albeit the one moving at a slightly faster pace and being a little more explicit about it. This has already been the case for the best part of a century now. Who still does not get this?

    I still do not understand why a 'white nationalist' would have anything to do with the RP and attend gatherings such as this, in view of the above realities. Did he think he would change minds or recruit people to get the RP moving in a new direction?

    • Jaego
      Posted March 18, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

      Why not? What they were doing used to be called “consciousness raising”. Let’s learn from the victors – the Far Left. And beyond that, many people are Republicans because there is nothing else being presented and they don’t know anything else is possible. We should present possibilities to these people until the Republicans are smart enough to keep us out.

      And we can have allies who are on the Right, the real Right, who aren’t White Nationalists – as long as we remember that they have an agenda different than our’s. As the Alchemists used to say, before things can be properly combined, they must be properly separated.

  9. Wilburn Sprayberry
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    What Scott Terry & Matthew Heimbach did is a teachable moment for all White Nationalists.

    It is a teachable moment for three reasons.

    First, it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they do in fact exist: brave young activists who have vomited out the anti-white poison they have been fed since birth, and who are willing to put their butts (and their future careers) on the line to speak out for our race, and to rally other young whites to our cause.

    Second, the remarks & interactions of Terry & Heimbach with other CPACers demonstrate that they are potential movers, and shakers, and leaders in our movement, but that they are not yet where they need to be. They are not White Nationalists – they are – for the time being – paleo-conservatives if they are anything, and, as Matt Parrott has said more than once, paleo-conservatives are dead men talking. As such, they are not able to articulate a truly viable alternative for whites, beyond the most basic form of “push-back” & nostalgic chimeras. (Not that anyone is, or is anywhere close, to articulating such an alternative, but the writers here at Counter-Currents, and a few other places, are at least trying to explore the question, & to formulate possible answers.)

    Third, #2 demonstrates the need (to paraphrase Francis P. Yockey), for better articulation between the various parts of our movement. Specifically, between the brains – like the intellectuals who write for this website – and the body – the “boots on the ground” activists like Terry & Heimbach. Intellectuals tend to lack an understanding of the nitty-gritty realities that activists & organizers have to deal with, and activists & organizers often lack an understanding of what the intermediate, long range, & ultimate goals of their movement must be for their acitivism & organizing to have any real & lasting value.

    I should point out here that Matt Parrott is one of those rare birds who fly in both worlds – an effective street activist & movement organizer, as well as a gifted writer & polemicist. And I should also mention that Counter-Currents has already reached out to Matthew Heimbach, with Greg Johnson’s interview, not long ago.

    Still, it’s not enough. What is needed is face to face, sit-down conversations, going far into the night, between the body & the brains. A symposium, a salon, a tete a tete. Alcohol might be involved. (Doesn’t symposium mean drinking party in Greek?) Perhaps I’m old-fashioned, but I think such meetings are necessary & productive. I believe it creates synergy, and baby, we need all the synergy we can get in this movement.

    Where could these meetings take place, and when?

    Glad you asked. The American Renaissance conference (the next one starts April 5th, is an ideal place for activists & intellectuals to get together & exchange ideas. It’s also a place for White Nationalists to educate & convert their paleocon comrades (or would-be comrades.)

    I know there are other meetings, in other places, where such exchanges take place, but they are mostly among a small cadre of people who are already White Nationalists. That AR is such a “big tent” makes it an ideal recruiting ground, as well as a place to articulate our constituent parts as we build towards a critical mass.

    I will be there. I hope some of you will be, too.

    The first round is on me.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 18, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

      Well said. But I won’t be at AmRen. I don’t attend conferences if I am not on the program. Otherwise, they are just too big an expenditure of time, money, and energy. And as my recent fundraising appeal makes clear, we have an acute shortage of the first, and until that is remedied, I have to be rather sparing of the other two.

  10. Wilburn Sprayberry
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    I quite stupidly forgot to mention that Matthew Heimbach was at last year’s AR conference, and I have hopes he will be there again this year, and perhaps Scott Terry and other college-age activists and newcomers to our movement.

    • Scott Terry
      Posted March 20, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

      I was there as well, Mr. Spayberry.

      It’s always an informative time.

  11. me
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    All WN’s should take a page from Scott Terry’s book – all WNs should attend their local GOP (as well as Democrat) meetings and ask all leaders there one or two questions, like Terry did. If other whites take the cue and ask their leaders similar questions each time they have monthly meetings in the next few months, that will put most GOP/Democrat leaders on the notice they’d better pay more attention to the complaints of (and address issues important to) most whites rather try to find more non-white voters. Perhaps GOP could change the direction to our favor if enough of us peck the ears of our local GOP “leaders”.

  12. TerryFan
    Posted March 18, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    This Terry guy is pretty funny.

  13. Peter Quint
    Posted March 19, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    White republicans are not smart enough to realize that all races with the exception of the White race vote along racial lines regardless of the competence of the politician. That is the reason the republican party failed to swing the hispanic vote against O’bama. Poor, silly White christians will always be slaves and fools for non-whites. That is the reason they will always fail. As they flail their arms like whirling dervishes and persecute members of their own race in an attempt to curry favor, non-whites hopped up on hate look on with contempt. Christians will never understand that they are in a racial war to the death.

  14. Posted March 19, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    I for one am not a White Nationalist, but I am a traditionalist of sorts and against many of the socially accepted ideas of the modern age (which is why I frequent your site). There is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, whether it be German, Irish, African or Chinese. I don’t believe in white guilt. But I think by trying to create a distinctly white movement, you’re losing the possible brain power and strength of like minded minorities who may agree with traditionalist and anti-modern ideas. In fact, many of these minorities are being fucked over by modernism big time and have a lot of anger, which is probably why they are more willing to listen to your point of view than the uppity white liberals who think that shopping at Whole Foods and voting for Obama will save the planet.

    From what I read in this article, there seems to be an understanding that there are young black or Hispanic men sympathetic to your ideology and point of view. The people who are the problem aren’t these people, it is – just as you mentioned – the white liberals who are terrified of anything that would question their world view.

    Many of the white liberals I’ve talked to at college are just as excited about imposing Democracy, Liberalism and Feminism on foreign countries as the Republicans. (Sometimes even more, they wanna show how tough they are!)

    Much of what I’ve come to appreciate about Traditionalism has actually been imparted on me by the young Hispanic, Asian and Middle Eastern friends I have. (I’m white btw).

    • Posted March 19, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink


      But I think by trying to create a distinctly white movement, you’re losing the possible brain power and strength of like minded minorities who may agree with traditionalist and anti-modern ideas.

      I certainly welcome and encourage non-Whites to adopt and embrace the Traditionalist worldview and I envision a world in which we Whites are merely a traditional tribe in a global patchwork of traditional tribes. I’m a pan-tribalist; universal particularist; pluriversalist. It’s not exactly clear whether you meant that we should be friendly to allied intellectual vanguards which aren’t White or whether we should drop our insistence on preserving our extended family altogether in and join them together as one big technicolor traditionalist tribe.

      Just a couple days ago, I wrote the following in a comment on another article . . .

      To be perfectly clear, one should be quicker to break bread with a friendly Black Nationalist [allies] than a White liberal [them]. If we’re not willing to do that, then we’re wasting the time and money of those who believe we’re serious about devising a way out of this crisis.

      From what I read in this article, there seems to be an understanding that there are young black or Hispanic men sympathetic to your ideology and point of view.

      The realpolitik of it is that even the relatively sensible and fair-minded tribalists of other tribes have a hard time speaking up against a very profitable hustle, especially when they’ve been fed credible rationalizations for why they deserve their spoils and should oppose our awakening. Furthermore, those few audible voices are marginalized within their own communities. I actively strive to build relationships of allegiance and mutual support across ethnic lines, but I’ve learned through experience that we won’t be in a bargaining position to promote a pan-tribal framework until our tribe is strong enough to defend itself.

      Frankly, we White Americans don’t really have any friends in the European and Eurasian nationalist scenes. The Russian nationalist plan for America is to cynically stir up racial hostilities against White Americans until we’re all choking. The European nationalist vision is one of a negative contrast of my people with themselves, contrasting our situation with their more obvious and coherent heritage and identitaire.

      If I write as if we have no choice but to go it alone and assert our right to exist as a people against a consistently hostile world, it’s because I’ve arrived at that conclusion after trying to befriend Black Nationalists who can’t stop raving about killing White people, trying to befriend Russian Nationalists who sooner or later start carrying on about how they’ll get to be the global imperial overlords after Americans (not Amerika) are vanquished, and trying to arrive at an understanding with Jewish Nationalists who sooner or later start trying to lull us into being hapless pawns for their regional Zionist ambitions.

      Presuming your proposal is that we actively ally with other ethnic identities in a common global traditionalist struggle, I really feel like I’ve learned the hard way through repeated and egregious wastes of my time and even regrettable compromises to my core positions that that dog don’t hunt. My hand remains there for the shaking, but I’m done waving it around and expecting anybody to shake it. We’re on our own.

      Much of what I’ve come to appreciate about Traditionalism has actually been imparted on me by the young Hispanic, Asian and Middle Eastern friends I have. (I’m white btw).

      Same here.

      • Posted March 19, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

        A global traditionalist movement is exactly what I support. I believe the problems of our world are too large for an isolated group alone to approach. Presuming that all the white Americans get together and form their own nation, they will still be effected by the great disaster of our time: radical climate change. We all share the same water, earth and air – there is no nationalization of the air we breathe.

        Many traditionalists are familiar with the idea of Kali Yuga and the symbolism of a one legged bull. Each of the Yugas represents an age of man. In the golden age, the bull has four legs, but the Kali Yuga (our current age) is the most corrupt age, and the bull only has one leg.

        A sturdy bull cannot stand on one leg. As a people we cannot stand alone. Am I advocating mindless globalism where everyone gives up their values by completely abandoning all their Gods and Cultures in order to be equally oppressed and materialistic? No. The first great globalization was Judeo Christian Religion, and that I renounce.

        But I do know enough about history to know that many of the greatest empires contained a symposium of diverse people who more or less coexisted together: Rome, India and Persia are great examples. The people of these empires shared a similar ideology and philosophy on life and paid taxes to the emperor, but they were still permitted to worship different Gods and uphold different cultural values to an extent.

        I support some of the ideas of the Fourth Political Theory. I think there can be a variety of multipolar autonomous nations that all send representatives to a world government, where decisions are made about major issues such as climate change (I guess like the United Nations or the EU, but more effective).

        I think in America, with the incredible diversity we have, it would be next to impossible to create a white only state – especially considering all the people who have non-white friends and family. I have a beautiful bi-racial niece and a brother in law who has been a great help to the family. Should I split my niece in four different pieces and ship them to China, Africa, the Honduras and Ireland?

        I think it’s possible to venerate the values of European culture without actually being European. I’ve met some incredibly knowledgeable Black Asatru believers and Roman Pagans. I have also met many White Nationalists who take a page out of Hindu and other Asian beliefs.

        The enemy of our time is an elite, greedy capitalist world that plunders the wealth of the Earth by dividing and conquering. Further dividing those who would fight helps the Plutocratic agenda. I for one, do not want to help their agenda by creating more division than necessary.

        All the same, I agree with many of the other traditionalists values and think Counter Currents has many informative and thought provoking articles. Don’t mean to offend, just offering a different voice.

      • Posted March 19, 2013 at 1:12 pm | Permalink


        I believe your claim that ethnic nationalism “divides” us in our quest for a just world order is like saying that marriages divide us in our quest for family values. The thing about dividing up your niece is a bit of a straw man, as my stated position is that there ought to be a patchwork of sovereign ethnic regions in America, including a Cosmic American region for folks like yourself and your niece.

        And if you’re correct that there aren’t that many of us left, then I reckon a relatively small patch for people who share my identity will do. So be it.

        I’m glad you’ve found a qualified enjoyment of my work, but it appears we’re not going to come to an agreement on the meaning, consequence, and priority of ethnic identity.

      • Lew
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Permalink


        I’ve seen this fallacious premise circulating in the comments at Alex Jones.

        Focusing on race/ethnicity serves globalist interests by keeping people divided.

        I could be mistaken, but I think only white anti-globalists look at it that way.

      • Lew
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

        Or it could be a false premise deliberately planted by the enemy in the various venues where white anti-globalists can be found. Globalism has many enemies and is creating more every day. It would make sense for the enemy to plant a premise that subverts racial nationalism within the anti-globalist communities.

      • Vick
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

        @ Lew

        Or it could be a false premise deliberately planted by the enemy in the various venues where white anti-globalists can be found.

        You may be right – it might be a planted idea, but I have to say I’ve seen this idea thrown out by white far left types for as long as I’ve been politically aware.

        It’s sort of a vulgar form of far left dogma that works like this: racism is evil nonsense that is whipped up by the “ruling class,” or the “imperialists” etc. in order to divide “the working class” and turn it against itself.

        However, once we “smash the state” or after the “revolution,” etc. we will all live in some racially harmonious anarchist/communist utopia, where race doesn’t divide us anymore, where humanity becomes successively more latte-colored with each passing generation, and all will be well.

        It’s sort of the white far left version of white “colorblind” conservatism or white “colorblind” libertarianism. More “colorblind” foolishness that only white people seem to believe in.

      • Lew
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink


        Yes, that’s a good possibility too. The “race/ethnicity is unimportant” meme meme has infected everyone, so I suppose it’s possible this very modern, Marxist idea that works like acid on traditional societies could migrate from the anti-globalist left to the anti-NWO libertarian right.

        I would very much like to see an example of an anti-globalist, pro-tradition person or group anywhere who regards race/ethicity as unimportant or secondary to other considerations. My sense is that that is a distinctly “white” perspective, and definitely modern not traditional. Race doesn’t matter to us so it must not matter very much to anyone else either.

        Like many modern ideas, the idea is superficially plausible because in fact the global elite is against everyone, but the reverse doesn’t follow — that an alliance, coalition or front of “everyone else” against the global elite is possible or even desirable. The global elite world not invest so much time in destroying blood and soil nations if they didn’t perceive nations bound by blood as their biggest threat.

        The exact opposite of this idea is closer to the truth. Fostering a worldwide resurgence of ethnocentrism among whites is a key to defeating globalism.

    • Lew
      Posted March 19, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

      Can you cite an example of a single non-white traditionalist anywhere in the world who regards the traditions he wants to preserve against the globalizing forces as separable from his tribe’s race/ethnic identity?

      The Asatru community is a sad case. By admitting blacks into their ranks, they are destroying the pagan tradition they claim they want to preserve.

      I don’t think it’s possible to be any form of true traditionalist without rejecting the *modern* idea that race/ethnic distinctions are unimportant.

      • rhondda
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

        If I may quote Edred Thorsson. Re: Runelore page 190

        ” Odhinn is a god because he serves (and has served for aeons) as an exemplary model for the expression, development and transformation of human consciousness. This was for long ages institutionalized in a ‘national cultlus’ among the Germanic peoples, with each tribe holding its special versions of emphasis within a general traditional framework. Odhinn, by any name, served this function since the birth of Indo-European humanity, and hence cannot be extinguished except through THE PHYSICAL DESTRUCTION OF HIS PEOPLE. ”

        Seems pretty clear to me. Kill the god, kill the people, kill the people kill the god.

      • Lucian Tudor
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

        There are even many traditionalist thinkers who questioned the nature of race such as Julius Evola and Edgar Julius Jung, but who ended up valuing racial type anyway because race is ultimately an essential component of being human. I believe that Othmar Spann (see my recent article on him) would also express racial separatist views were he to see what happened in the later 2oth Century. However, as Jaego mentioned, “not everyone on the far right believes race matters or that it even exists,” which is exactly why being “right-wing” or “traditionalist” alone is not quite enough to qualify one as ideologically sympathetic (at least not for me). I, for one, find anarchists and radical socialists who believe race and ethnicity is important far more congenial to me than monarchists who think race-mixing is okay (I’m not directing this at Isis Imperium, just making a general comment).

    • Lew
      Posted March 19, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

      You might find this essay interesting if you haven’t seen it:

      • Posted March 19, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink
      • Lew
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

        Serious Euro pagans need to run people like that out of town on a rail. That was the most repulsive piece of writing I’ve seen in a while.

        Do you find that convincing? Really?

        I saw nothing but warmed over race-denialist talking points in this instance used in the service of murdering Euro neo-paganism in the cradle.

      • Lucian Tudor
        Posted March 19, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

        Anyone who has read the works of people like Alain de Benoist, Julius Evola, and the various Revolutionary Conservative authors that I have written about (or at least mentioned) in my essays would have found the arguments in that “Paganism and Racism” link to be poorly thought-out and fallacious. The author of that piece failed to grasp even the most basic and fundamental issues involving race and culture. Some people really need to start reading and thinking (assuming they are even at all open to accepting our position).

  15. Jaego
    Posted March 19, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Nations can last for thousands of years. Look at China and Japan. When one Dynasty falls, another rises. By contrast, look how weak Empire are, full as they are of different competing groups. When they fall, they don’t rise again. America is such an Empire, and has no future.

    Isis, when I was young, I believed what was said about the United Nations. But the far Right turned out to be right, as usual. The United Nations wants to destroy all Nations, perhaps leaving the facades up to fool the foolish and for governing purposes. They are fine with tourist type cultural activities: funny costumes and music festivals that bring in money. But real culture where people have the right to their own Values and Choice? Not for a moment.

    Liberalism believes the Life is far more generous than it really is and the People are far better than they really are. For most, this is an honest postion. For those in power who foster these beliefs, it’s deadly cunning to disarm their would be opponents. And they fear and hate the truly virtuous since the Imitation is always the enemy of the Real.

  16. rhondda
    Posted March 19, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Try this on for size Isis. Do you even know who she was ( Isis) and what she did?

    If there is anything that is female traditional this is it. Yet, I have my doubts there too. I read their books. Nothing other than imaginary. Very creative. Somehow not going to rule the world. A noted male traditionalist was impressed. However, I think he liked the sex aspect. Being young and full of vigor.

    • Posted March 19, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

      I found this page very interesting. I personally don’t agree with the idea of an exclusively female Goddess as the source of all things. I see both a male and female aspect of creation, but that is just my personal opinion.

  17. john
    Posted March 22, 2013 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    The Young Turks covered the Terry-CPAC incident.

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