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Interview with Welf Herfurth

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In the latest installment of Attack the System, Keith Preston interviews National Anarchist activist and author Welf Herfurth.

Topics discussed:

  • How National Anarchism has developed over the years
  • The Left-Right paradigm becoming increasingly outdated
  • Globalization and homogenization
  • The Fascist & cult-like mindset of the “antifa”
  • The State and Nationality
  • How would NA address mass immigration?
  • Should National Anarchists focus on local activism, or on organizing a movement that can contend in the political arena
  • A Life in the Political Wilderness
  • Supporting anyone who’s against the system, even if you don’t agree with everything he or she says.
  • How to discuss dissident views with people in day-to-day life.
  • How a National Anarchist society would deal with public issues like building roads, crime, a foreign invasion, etc.


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  1. phil white
    Posted October 22, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    The National Anarchism discussed will not work for us long term.
    It first came up on my radar with the Bay Area National Anarchist about 4 years back.
    It envisions acceptance as a fact accompli the mass invasion of the West by third world populations. That invasion was instigated by the you know who’s and facilitated by the usual suspect race traitor classes.
    National Anarchism seems very similar to what I see as the lowest common denominator of the Rational Elites upper/ruling class underground. I.E. we should be content to live with 100 million third worlders in the U.S. and just avoid them by staying in our local neighborhoods.
    We won’t have to accept this. At the guest mentioned early in the interview when he brought up the reunification of Germany in the late 70’s he was called “NAZI”. That is just what we are called when we propose ending immigration and taking our country back.
    Well we know what the people of East Germany accomplished ten years after Herfurth was called “NAZI.”
    If it’s the RE’s who are funding international travel by Welf I don’t think they are going to succeed in having him spread National Anarchism in the West. National Anarchism is nothing other than acceptance of the displacement and eventual assimilation of Western peoples.

    • JustAWhiteMom
      Posted October 23, 2012 at 10:52 am | Permalink

      I agree that its not the whole answer but it can be part of the answer. Some people just will never accept the idea of deportation of non-whites. I think a lot of Christian women could be brought into national anarchism who would otherwise not accept any kind of nationalism.
      Also, we know the approach can work because our enemies are using it, at least as a short-term strategy. Concentrate, proliferate, and maybe someday separate. The Amish have high rates of retention. We need to figure out how they achieve this.

      • phil white
        Posted October 23, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

        I whole-heartedly agree on the Amish strategy. That is our worst-case fall back position but it will be very useful in any foreseeable political situation.
        I think it’s all in their Church and general communal indoctrination of the young. The draw is the intense bonding and shared love and shared work in the community.
        Think how easy it will be for us to hold communities together in a racial polarized maelstrom also while not having to forego modern conveniences.
        As to recent immigrant population repatriating, my Czech great grandmother, born out of wed lock, was basically forced by pressure from her step father I’m sure, to immigrate to America alone at age 14. She raised six children in America and later pioneered in Gulf coast Florida.

  2. excalibur
    Posted October 22, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    I often wonder how is it possible intelligent people to have so naive views.Sometimes it appears to me that they live in different world and different time.But at times I wonder, maybe I do not understand the world and time in which we live ?

    • phil white
      Posted October 23, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think it is possible in Welf’s case.

  3. Posted October 23, 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Thanks for the comments.

    If all immigration into the USA were ended today whites would still be just another minority by mid-century due to differential birthrates. Non-white collectively are rougly one third of the US population, or about 100 million people as you say. How do you propose to expel 100 million people from the continent? That would seem to be cost prohibitive from a logistical and economic standpoint along, not to mention the human costs for whites and non-whites alike.

    Even the mainstream immigration restrictionist movement has failed to get even modest reforms of immigration policy enacted. Removing a third of the US population is certainly a fantasy when middle of the road provisions like the Arizona law have failed and been subject to ridicule.

    Most WNs of my acquaintance generally regard either separatist ethnostates and restoration of freedom of association and the most viable model for the future protection of white ethno-cultural interests. These perspectives are fairly compatible with and certainly overlap with N-A.

    Politics is about the art of the possible. Like it or not globalization and immigration are a done deal. What we need to think about are alternative forms of statecraft or social organization that are capable of recognizing these realties while seeking the most optimal institutional arrangements for the preservation of everyone’s interests and peaceful co-existence to the greatest degree possible. All is not lost. The Holy Roman Empire managed to exist for a millenium as a collage of divergent ethnicities and the Ottoman Empire existed for centuries in a similar manner. But we do need to adjust our thinking to accommodate the facts as they are.

    • phil white
      Posted October 23, 2012 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

      As Welf himself said, he was called “NAZI” for mentioning German reunification in the late 70s. It was just 10 years before the German people got their back up and tore down the wall.

    • Roissy Hater
      Posted October 24, 2012 at 2:02 am | Permalink

      “All is not lost. The Holy Roman Empire managed to exist for a millenium as a collage of divergent ethnicities and the Ottoman Empire existed for centuries in a similar manner.”

      Yes, but the MultiKult is bringing these immigrants to the West for the purpose mixing the races.

      I could easily see massive miscegenation within two decades. Think about it, 50 years ago, the south barely viewed black as humans, now Virginia and North Carolina are potential blue states to vote a Black man as President.

      Hollywood and public education can convince anyone of anything, the modern West is proof positive of that fact.

      • phil white
        Posted October 24, 2012 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

        I hope you are a bugster. Our tactic is to point out the immigration/assimilation/white genocide program.
        As to increasing miscegenation, it is also pertinent to note mass inter-marriage seems to usually immediately precede mass inter group violence.
        Apparently the relatives/neighbors of the errant youth instinctively recognize that the integrity of their gene pool is threatened.
        A liberal pointed out that it was too bad about the Bosnian war as just before it broke out all the young Serbs, Croats and Muslims were intermarrying like mad.
        According to PBS in the 1920’s 30 % of. young Jews in Germany were marrying ethnic Germans.
        Also the Jehovah Witness said there were many mixed families in Rwanda who couldn’t live safely on either side during the genocides.
        Finally if someone says miscegenation is voluntary and free choice, just point out that the 900 victims of Jim Jones “voluntarily” committed mass suicide because of Jones leftist indoctrination. Jones was also a pusher of race mixing.
        And here is a you tube video where the Jew Sarkozy says if the white French don’t interbreed fast enough voluntarily the state will have to impose more coercive measures.
        We are for freedom of miscegenation, just not in the territory whites control. If someone wants to miscegenation they will have to renounce white citizenship and emigrate to some race mixing state like Singapore.

    • Axon
      Posted October 28, 2012 at 8:10 am | Permalink

      Immigration is not “a done deal” and to only think in terms of “deportation” is to limit possibility. Thus by your own definition such thinking is anti-political. Rather we need to think in terms of humane, non-violent, “reverse-immigration” strategies. Construct a social system where it’s in the interests of the immigrants to return to home. The simplest idea is to tier civil rights, reducing the civil rights of immigrants. Other steps include: more income tax; more tax for having more children; greater charges on loans; stop welfare (if they cannot afford to be here buy them a return ticket home); enforce English proficiency, etc. There need be no mass deportations. Nothing need be forced; all that is required is patience & commitment to longer term solutions.

      • White Republican
        Posted October 29, 2012 at 6:13 am | Permalink

        You’re right concerning the measures that should be taken to reverse non-White immigration. Of course, the difficulty with these measures is that they require a revolutionary rupture with the system as well as a long-term policy of repatriation, both of which are unthinkable to most people at present. The thinking of most White people is conditioned by individualism and presentism — to say nothing of gangrenous ideologies and superstitions, such as those of “equality” and “human rights” — which makes organising Whites to defend and advance their racial interests very difficult.

        I’m inclined to think that a “historical party” (in the sense in which Jean Thiriart used this term) will be needed to create a new state and a new nation. This wouldn’t be democratic, but it’s time to either (1) stop thinking of democracy as if it is something that actually exists, is possible, and is desirable, or (2) to redefine democracy so that it corresponds to politics that will actually serve our people. Democracy is more a matter of mythology than reality, and mythology is both powerful and plastic. While it may be impossible to overthrow democratic mythology, it may be possible to give it new forms.

  4. Junghans
    Posted October 23, 2012 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Did I hear Welf actually say that “White Nationalists make him sick”, and he doesn’t like being around them? Good gawd, would he rather be around simian-like Negroes in a chimp out, or the bestial hordes of Judah, circling for the kill?

    • phil white
      Posted October 23, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

      Yes I caught that too. I suspect Welt is on a payroll. How does he afford to jet around the world exercising his “hobby” of international travel? All the while neglecting his draftsman’s job to spend countless hours in community activism.
      It may just be that his mission is to get as many whites to accept as peacefully as possible their displacement in their own lands. This sounds like it could very well be a red herring dragged out by the Rational Elites. RE’s are not stupid enough to think unending immigration won’t lead to civil war.
      And they realize with the mass of third worlders here already and their breeding there will be a problem keeping the lid on even absent more immigration
      Long term you cannot maintain your racial identity, your “posterity.” The American founders knew that.
      That’s why Jefferson, the abolitionist Jay and Lincoln were all members of the American Colonization Society. We should blog to get the American Colonization Society back in the American consciousness. We have already got “anti-white” into the lexicon. It popped up in the Repub film “2016.” Good work bugsters.
      And we shouldn’t use words like “expulsion” or even “deportation”. That is politically unwise, as Just a Mom would agree. I’m surprised that Keith seems not to know better.
      Why not say “repatriation?”
      And we shouldn’t imply as Keith does that it would have to be done over night.
      Scores of millions of Europeans left their homes and language culture behind to immigrate to America. The non-white latecomers can do the same in reverse. It would only take 80 years or so. One lifetime.

      • Jaego
        Posted October 24, 2012 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

        A new Lincoln anti-slavery movie is coming out by Spielberg. Last year O’Reilly published a bestseller about him. Both a big lie since they don’t disclose what Lincoln really thought of Blacks. We got to got it out there.

  5. excalibur
    Posted October 23, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Does not Welf think that small,self-governing ethno-traditional groups are going to be easy pray to some aggressive,more cohesive or more numerous groups?Does not he envisage that some non-white races may organize to exact “retribution” to some perceived historical injustices?

    • phil white
      Posted October 23, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

      Yea. I can see Alaska going Chinese in short order. Just hope the Russians take it back first.

  6. Sandy
    Posted October 23, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    As Welf says, “Challenge the system.” Support your local IMF//

  7. fnn
    Posted October 24, 2012 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    It’s hard to think of anything more unlikely than a pro-white religious awakening. Even if someone with the talent of a Joseph Smith were arrive on the scene I don’t think he could long survive with all the flak he’d catch from the ADL, SPLC, DHS and the Judeo-Bolshevik media.

    Local politics. How about forming pro-freedom of association united fronts with paleo C4Lers and the like around such issues as Sec.8, refugee resettlement and local school autonomy?

    Almost incredibly, you’re really taken more seriously if you have actual elected officials, so, where possible, initiative and referendum should be used to try to implement PR with a low threshold. That’s because, of course, the majority of the public is brainwashed by the TV and the school system and thus trained to run with the cultural marxist herd. The unpopular legacy parties won’t like it and will predict un-American political chaos , but why should PR be a greater offense to “American tradition” than same-sex marriage or govt policies of population replacement and forced integration?

    PR is a boring wonky subject, but very easy to explain. Especially if you deftly use colorful examples like the array of ethnonationalist and religious fundamentalist parties in the Israeli ruling coalition, Geert Wilders, Golden Dawn and the True Finns. Call it “The Israeli System” to give it popular credibility.

    • phil white
      Posted October 24, 2012 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

      What does “PR” stand for? What does it mean? Is it “public relations???”

  8. White Republican
    Posted October 24, 2012 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    There’s a long and highly critical article on National-Anarchism published by the Australian group Nationalist Alternative at:

    The article arguably borrows too much from the communist critique of anarchism, but it is quite correct that National-Anarchism has serious ideological, cultural, and political failings.

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