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Greg Johnson Interviewed by Deanna Spingola

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On Monday, September 10th, Counter-Currents Editor Greg Johnson was interviewed by Deanna Spingola of the Republic Broadcasting Network from 9:00 to 11:00 am Pacific Standard Time.

Topics included White Nationalism, the Jewish question, and the 2012 US Presidential Election.

You can listen here:

Hour 1:

Hour 2:

Deanna Spingola is the author of two books, The Ruling Elite: A Study in Imperialism, Genocide and Emancipation and The Ruling Elite: The Zionist Seizure of World Power, available at,, and other retailers. For Deanna Spingola’s radio schedule, click here. For more of her interviews, click here.

Thanks Deanna, for a great opportunity!


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  1. don bogart
    Posted September 10, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Can’t find it. Full link?

  2. Lew
    Posted September 10, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    I agree. Not the best site interface. I couldn’t find it either. I think you have to listen to the live show. If you miss the live show, they appear to offer archives, but the archives appear to be behind a pay wall. I think.

  3. don bogart
    Posted September 10, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Still sounding stung. You must be feeling good about reaching wider audiences through these recent interviews and bringing about positive change through making a difference by raising awareness.

    Rambling notes:

    “There are ideas that will get you socially shunned, discriminated in employment, and even physically attacked.”

    Yes, especially the speaking idea that criminalizing White privilege spells doom for America.

    Norwegian? Tell us about your hot girlfriend.

    Please re read Fussell’s “Speak that I May See Thee,” and find good reasons to extirpate your “yeah” response from radio interviews. It detracts and regrettably lowers the otherwise high tone.

    GJ became WN around 2000. Progressively alienated from political system. Didn’t think in terms of ethnicity, but noticed ethnicity played a role, but couldn’t compute with race blind, individualistic outlook. Became increasingly dissatisfied with that. Beginning of 1999 in bookstore in Atlanta, met him, started chatting, realized that there were people out there who shared my level of alienation and criticism of the system, but never occurred to me, but so brainwashed by media presentation of WN types, never occurred to me to actually seek them out in the real world. Got to know this person, started reading intensively, it really progressed fairly quickly from there. Main point is way to understand politics today is primarily through ethnicity and ethnic conflict. What’s really going on in politics is ethnic warfare. Warfare between White majorities, soon to be minorities, and non Whites. Primary enemy of Whites in America is organized Jewish community, use power to push Whites from power in their own countries, if trends aren’t stopped, we will cease to exist as distinct people, as a distinct race. Kevin MacDonald’s Culture of Critique, enormous impact, he put in place idea that these aren’t supposed to be intellectually coherent, but are tools by which Jews seek to gain power over majorities in countries, includes race denial, anthropology, Marxism, neo Marxism, post modernism, deconstruction, all are tools of ethnic dominance and ethnic aggression against our people. “And that really put everything together at that point for me.”

    Thank you for this wonderful biography. It proves the power of outreach and of helping those in distress understand that they are not alone and are not despicable for having worries about the effect of Diversity on our future.

    What book store and where? Is it still there? We should erect a plaque on the wall `designating it as holy ground. How did you strike up conversation with a stranger? Were you both in the Civil Rights section, or Sherman Burns Atlanta section? Did you both reach for the same book? Did your conversation get to Jews immediately, or get there by way of the blacks?

    “Culture of Critique is a great book.” Organized Jewish groups overturning America’s immigration restriction act. Jews stick out where homogeneous Whites look alike. Jews look different and are a minority, stick out, want camouflage, to blend in, so adopt reformed Judaism, and by diluting homogeneity of stock of people they are among by promoting immigration of increasingly different people until Jews look rather White to us. They like to rise to top in societies by brokering deals between different groups, proven strategy. They are nomadic community that has frequently fallings out with hosts- easy in, easy out, with portable wealth. Whites feel unsafe in having families if we live in environment that has too much Diversity, depresses our birth rates. Works great for Jews, doesn’t work great for us, it’s intended to work that way, weakens us, strengthen them. Once Whites start thinking about what’s really good for us as group, every other groups is thinking about their own group interest, we will come back to wisdom of those who restricted immigration in the 1920s and “will try to maintain a White majority and White standards in America”.

    You are arguing in favor of White privilege, which has been criminalized. WP is framed by those in charge of genuine systemic bias and institutional racism in MSM, and therefore accepted in the mind degraded of Mass Whiteness, as something equally evil with Ku Klux Nazis shouting “Fire up the ovens again! Heil Hitler! 1488! ” in front of a synagogue kindergarten.

    GJ is one of the top essential thinkers and insight leaders on these critical subjects. Along with Jared Taylor and Kevin MacDonald, anything new he puts out is a must read. Who else should we add to that list? Videos by ramzpaul are a must, and Cambria Will Not Yield is a Saturday morning ritual. If you really get high on hate, the occasional long posts over at Spirit Water Blood are intoxicatingly hateful. Council of Conservative Citizens is good for keeping up with latest news of black massacres of innocent White girls. Colin Flaherty at “hateful” WND does good job on the growing black crime wave. Richard Spencer has a great future, but hasn’t done anything memorable enough yet.

    “We have accepted the idea that every group can play the race card but Whites.” Whites have biggest pile of chips but non whites have trump card that we don’t have, called the race card, and we will lose our chips if we play by those rules. We will lose everything and be ruled by people who have been brought up to hate us. We’ve got to start playing our own race card or we will lose everything, we will lose our homelands.

    “The NAACP was founded by Jews”. Strategy of racial dominance, they tried to dilute the power of the White Gentile majority, promote immigration from all over the world, promote emancipation of minority groups already here, blacks largest minority group already here, NAACP to advance black interests over White interests. They still play a role in the NAACP today. Black Nationalist groups are anti Semitic, not a person who hates Jews, but a person who Jews hate (Sobran), they don’t want people thinking of having racially homogeneous states. Blacks future under this regime same as Whites, blended out of existence.

    End Part I

    • me
      Posted September 11, 2012 at 6:04 am | Permalink

      Thanks very very much for the notes! It is appreciated!

  4. don bogart
    Posted September 10, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    still sounding strong -please fix

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted September 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

      I am not sure what you mean.

      • don bogart
        Posted September 11, 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

        Still sounding stung. You must be feeling good about reaching wider audiences through these recent interviews and bringing about positive change through making a difference by raising awareness.

        strong not stung

        If you will get disqus comments, we could edit our own.

  5. muroc29
    Posted September 11, 2012 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Greg Johnson said at 41:25 in part 2: “I would redraw the American map”

    I would truly love to see that map, Greg.

    You’ve made this point in several previous interviews as I recall, and since the distribution of land and resources is among the most pressing issues in the world today (in particular in Europe) now would be an opportune time for some real specifics, if you could.

    For instance, could you explain which people you feel is entitled to what land, how much, and why? How exactly do you plan on making forty million blacks disappear into the periphery of this continent? What if these peoples declined your offer of repatriation for some and quarantine for others? I hope you’ll at least consider taking up these questions, thanks.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted September 11, 2012 at 11:37 am | Permalink

      It’s a bit premature to redraw maps, but the basic principle is that all peoples deserve homelands.

      If whites had the power to redraw the American map and move people around, we would ipso facto have the power to remove them entirely. What would stop us are moral considerations.

      I would basically repatriate all non-whites except (1) indigenous ones (Indians, Hawaiians, Eskimo) and (2) Afro-Americans (recently arrived Africans are another matter), who would get a sweltering chunk of Dixie.

      Ultimately, we will not accept “no” for an answer, but the process of ethnic cleansing can be gradual and accomplished with incentives as well as sticks, so that it takes place in an orderly and humane fashion.

      After all, we are not asking others to accept anything different than what our own people have accepted for half a century: Millions of whites have been made refugees in America due to non-white immigration and integration. It was evil, of course, but it did not lead to mass murder and starvation, because it was accomplished simply through gentle pressures and incentives. And nobody sheds a tear about any of it, not even White Nationalists!

      We propose to do the same sort of thing to other groups, and we will shed no crocodile tears over the fact.

      I think it is a vision of how we might arrive at an ethnostate that we can begin convincing people TODAY that it is a moral and feasible and necessary project.

      • Jaego Scorzne
        Posted September 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

        Remember the millions of Whites forced out of their neighborhoods by Black terror – homes they had grown up in and desired their children to as well. And the countless elderly Whites who were too poor to get out and were effectively trapped in these changed neighborhoods. Professor Robert Griffin published a book of interviews about these people. An ocean of tears have been shed – but not a dime’s worth of sympathy given in the mainsteam media.

      • Posted September 14, 2012 at 6:04 am | Permalink

        I would suggest even more attention to semantic nuance when speaking of this issue and rejecting labeling as “Hitlers program of deportation”, mainly because your proposed policy is not a policy of deportation and secondly because accepting and not explicitly rejecting that label could (and do) ruin the arguments you have so painstakingly built up on an emotional level for many listeners outside our own circle. I agree that we should not “dilute” or abandon our fundamental values in favor of populism but we should (in the words of Bowden) express these values in the very highest form possible. And you do a great job at that, dont get me wrong, but there is always room for improvement, perfection is a struggle not a destiny…

        (just my two cents)

  6. BritishActivism
    Posted September 11, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Greg, I just thought I would comment and let you know that I think you did a great job of explaining your thoughts in this radio interview.

    There are always a few idealistic and grey areas to have to deal with such as repatriation to Israel and Palestine and how to split things up more generally, but although I recognise it as being a bit idealistic, I did like the concept of slower but concerted drift back to how things should be and the point that was made regarding how we have arrived in this situation relatively peacefully through such a drift, and that the propeller could be turned the other way.

    To be honest I have had a bit of mental ‘burnout’ (to say the least) in recent months. I have become very detached, very ‘flaky’, much more depressed and disinterested, nay even doubtful of my previous trains of thought.

    Perhaps it is because life is passing me by and things are getting gradually worse here in England, etc, so it does grind me down and make me doubt my beliefs and my abilities to continue to care.

    (I too have always previously been a ‘reluctant hater’. I have never ‘hated’ anything but the situation that has been created and foisted upon us all).

    Whilst I think my personal lull may continue for a good while yet, it was good to get a dosage of some calm, clear and confidently expressed rationale and insight that confirms where I have been coming from as a ‘British Nationalist’ – (or should that be ‘Identitarian’) – for about a decade or so.

    It has been a little shot in the arm.

    Being British, I don’t know too much about these folks holding/hosting these interviews, but I gather that they are generally on-side seeing how it is a relaxed environment and they seem to understand what you are saying and let you speak freely.

    I think it is a good idea to get used to radio media in this way, as practice for any hostile and idiotic/provocative interviews you might get into later.

    We Brits are not that used to so many advertisement breaks though! Well, I am certainly not. It is a real shame that in both this interview and the previous one they sometimes have to cut you short whilst you are in full fluent flow. I guess they have to do so to be able to air the programme, so it is better that than nothing.

    Keep up the good work Greg, counter-currents is steadily becoming one of my favourite sites. Only a very small handful of sites ever stand out to me as being ‘at home’ to my natural positions, approaches, attitudes and sentiments etc, and this is one of them.

    • don bogart
      Posted September 11, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

      You must find other who suffer like you and form a community of mutal suffering. At least you will relieve the pain with a bit of empathy.

  7. Thomas Jefferson
    Posted October 9, 2012 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    “…Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate, than that these people are to be free ; nor is it less certain, that the two races, equally free, cannot live in the same government. Nature, habit, opinion have drawn indelible lines of distinction between them. It is still in our power to direct the process of emancipation and deportation, peaceably, and in such slow degree, as that the evil will wear off insensibly, and their place be, pari passu, filled up by free white laborers. If, on the contrary, it is left to force itself on, human nature must shudder at the prospect held up. We should in vain look for an example in the Spanish deportation, or deletion of the Moors. This precedent would fall far short of our case.” Thomas Jefferson

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