Introduction to Aristotle’s PoliticsGreg Johnson
Parts 1 & 2
The following introduction to Aristotle’s Politics focuses on the issues of freedom and popular government. It is a reworking of a more “academic” text penned in 2001.
Part I: The Aim & Elements of Politics
1. The Necessity of Politics
Aristotle is famous for holding that man is by nature a political animal. But what does this mean? Aristotle explains that, even when human beings are not in need of each other’s help, they have no less desire to live together, though it is also true that the common advantage draws them into union insofar as noble living is something they each partake of. So this above all is the end, whether for everyone in common or for each singly. (Politics 3.6, 1278b19–22)
Here Aristotle contrasts two different needs of the human soul that give rise to different forms of community, one pre-political and the other political.
The first need is material. On this account, men form communities to secure the necessities of life. Because few are capable of fulfilling all their needs alone, material self-interest forces them to co-operate, each developing his particular talents and trading his products with others. The classical example of such a community is the “city of pigs” in the second book of Plato’s Republic.
The second need is spiritual. Even in the absence of material need, human beings will form communities because only through community can man satisfy his spiritual need to live nobly, i.e., to achieve eudaimonia, happiness or well-being, which Aristotle defines as a life of unimpeded virtuous activity.
Aristotle holds that the forms of association that arise from material needs are pre-political. These include the family, the master-slave relationship, the village, the market, and alliances for mutual defense. With the exception of the master-slave relationship, the pre-political realm could be organized on purely libertarian, capitalist principles. Individual rights and private property could allow individuals to associate and disassociate freely by means of persuasion and trade, according to their own determination of their interests.
But in Politics 3.9, Aristotle denies that the realm of material needs, whether organized on libertarian or non-libertarian lines, could ever fully satisfy man’s spiritual need for happiness: “It is not the case . . . that people come together for the sake of life alone, but rather for the sake of living well” (1280a31), and “the political community must be set down as existing for the sake of noble deeds and not merely for living together” (1281a2). Aristotle’s clearest repudiation of any minimalistic form of liberalism is the following passage:
Nor do people come together for the sake of an alliance to prevent themselves from being wronged by anyone, nor again for purposes of mutual exchange and mutual utility. Otherwise the Etruscans and Carthaginians and all those who have treaties with each other would be citizens of one city. . . . [But they are not] concerned about what each other’s character should be, not even with the aim of preventing anyone subject to the agreements from becoming unjust or acquiring a single depraved habit. They are concerned only that they should not do any wrong to each other. But all those who are concerned about a good state of law concentrate their attention on political virtue and vice, from which it is manifest that the city truly and not verbally so called must make virtue its care. (1280a34–b7)
Aristotle does not disdain mutual exchange and mutual protection. But he thinks that the state must do more. It must concern itself with the character of the citizen; it must encourage virtue and discourage vice.
But why does Aristotle think that the pursuit of virtue is political at all, much less the defining characteristic of the political? Why does he reject the liberal principle that whether and how men pursue virtue is ultimately a private matter? The ultimate anthropological foundation of Aristotelian political science is man’s neoteny. Many animals can fend for themselves as soon as they are born. But man is born radically immature and incapable of living on his own. We need many years of care and education. Nature does not give us the ability to survive, much less flourish. But she gives us the ability to acquire the ability. Skills are acquired abilities to live. Virtue is the acquired ability to live well. The best way to acquire virtue is not through trial and error, but through education, which allows us to benefit from the trials and avoid the errors of others. Fortune permitting, if we act virtuously, we will live well.
Liberals often claim that freedom of choice is a necessary condition of virtue. We can receive no moral credit for a virtue that is not freely chosen but is instead forced upon us. Aristotle, however, holds that force is a necessary condition of virtue. Aristotle may have defined man as the rational animal, but unlike the sophists of his day he did not think that rational persuasion is sufficient to instill virtue:
. . . if reasoned words were sufficient by themselves to make us decent, they would, to follow a remark of Theognis, justly carry off many and great rewards, and the thing to do would be to provide them. But, as it is, words seem to have the strength to incite and urge on those of the young who are generous and to get a well-bred character and one truly in love with the noble to be possessed by virtue; but they appear incapable of inciting the many toward becoming gentlemen. For the many naturally obey the rule of fear, not of shame, and shun what is base not because it is ugly but because it is punished. Living by passion as they do, they pursue their own pleasures and whatever will bring these pleasures about . . . ; but of the noble and truly pleasant they do not even have the notion, since they have never tasted it. How could reasoned words reform such people? For it is not possible, or easy, to replace by reason what has long since become fixed in the character. (Nicomachean Ethics, 10.9, 1179b4–18)
The defect of reason can, however, be corrected by force: “Reason and teaching by no means prevail in everyone’s case; instead, there is need that the hearer’s soul, like earth about to nourish the seed, be worked over in its habits beforehand so as to enjoy and hate in a noble way. . . . Passion, as a general rule, does not seem to yield to reason but to force” (Nicomachean Ethics, 10.9, 1179b23–25). The behavioral substratum of virtue is habit, and habits can be inculcated by force. Aristotle describes law as “reasoned speech that proceeds from prudence and intellect” but yet “has force behind it” (Nicomachean Ethics, 10.9, 1180a18). Therefore, the compulsion of the appropriate laws is a great aid in acquiring virtue.
At this point, however, one might object that Aristotle has established only a case for parental, not political, force in moral education. Aristotle admits that only in Sparta and a few other cities is there public education in morals, while “In most cities these matters are neglected, and each lives as he wishes, giving sacred law, in Cyclops’ fashion, to his wife and children” (Nicomachean Ethics, 10.9, 1180a24–27). Aristotle grants that an education adapted to an individual is better than an education given to a group (Nicomachean Ethics, 10.9, 1180b7). But this is an argument against the collective reception of education, not the collective provision. He then argues that such an education is best left to experts, not parents. Just as parents have professional doctors care for their children’s bodies, they should have professional educators care for their souls (Nicomachean Ethics, 10.9, 1180b14–23). But this does not establish that the professionals should be employees of the state.
Two additional arguments for public education are found in Politics 8.1:
 Since the whole city has one end, it is manifest that everyone must also have one and the same education and that taking care of this education must be a common matter. It must not be private in the way that it is now, when everyone takes care of their own children privately and teaches them whatever private learning they think best. Of common things, the training must be common.  At the same time, no citizen should even think he belongs to himself but instead that each belongs to the city, for each is part of the city. The care of each part, however, naturally looks to the care of the whole, and to this extent praise might be due to the Spartans, for they devote the most serious attention to their children and do so in common. (Politics, 8.1 [5.1], 1337a21–32)
The second argument is both weak and question-begging. Although it may be useful for citizens to “think” that they belong to the city, not themselves, Aristotle offers no reason to think that this is true. Furthermore, the citizens would not think so unless they received precisely the collective education that needs to be established. The first argument, however, is quite strong. If the single, overriding aim of political life is the happiness of the citizens, and if this aim is best attained by public education, then no regime can be legitimate if it fails to provide public education.
Another argument for public moral education can be constructed from the overall argument of the Politics. Since public education is more widely distributed than private education, other things being equal, the populace will become more virtuous on the whole. As we shall see, it is widespread virtue that makes popular government possible. Popular government is, moreover, one of the bulwarks of popular liberty. Compulsory public education in virtue, therefore, is a bulwark of liberty.
2. Politics & Freedom
Aristotle’s emphasis on compulsory moral education puts him in the “positive” libertarian camp. For Aristotle, a free man is not merely any man who lives in a free society. A free man possesses certain traits of character that allow him to govern himself responsibly and attain happiness. These traits are, however, the product of a long process of compulsory tutelage. But such compulsion can be justified only by the production of a free and happy individual, and its scope is therefore limited by this goal.
Since Aristotle ultimately accepted the Socratic principle that all men desire happiness, education merely compels us to do what we really want. It frees us from our own ignorance, folly, and irrationality and frees us for our own self-actualization. This may be the rationale for Aristotle’s claim that, “the law’s laying down of what is decent is not oppressive” (Nicomachean Ethics, 10.9, 1180a24).
Since Aristotle thinks that freedom from the internal compulsion of the passions is more important than freedom from the external compulsion of force, and that force can quell the passions and establish virtue’s empire over them, Aristotle as much as Rousseau believes that we can be forced to be free.
But throughout the Politics, Aristotle shows that he is concerned to protect “negative” liberty as well. In Politics 2.2–5, Aristotle ingeniously defends private families, private property, and private enterprise from Plato’s communistic proposals in the Republic, thereby preserving the freedom of large spheres of human activity.
Aristotle’s concern with privacy is evident in his criticism of a proposal of Hippodamus of Miletus that would encourage spies and informers (2.8, 1268b22).
Aristotle is concerned to create a regime in which the rich do not enslave the poor and the poor do not plunder the rich (3.10, 1281a13–27).
Second Amendment enthusiasts will be gratified at Aristotle’s emphasis on the importance of a wide distribution of arms in maintaining the freedom of the populace (2.8, 1268a16–24; 3.17, 1288a12–14; 4.3 [6.3], 1289b27–40; 4.13 [6.13], 1297a12–27; 7.11 [4.11], 1330b17–20).
War and empire are great enemies of liberty, so isolationists and peace lovers will be gratified by Aristotle’s critique of warlike regimes and praise of peace. The good life requires peace and leisure. War is not an end in itself, but merely a means to ensure peace (7.14 [4.14], 1334a2–10; 2.9, 1271a41–b9).
The best regime is not oriented outward, toward dominating other peoples, but inward, towards the happiness of its own. The best regime is an earthly analogue of the Prime Mover. It is self-sufficient and turned inward upon itself (7.3 [4.3], 1325a14–31). Granted, Aristotle may not think that negative liberty is the whole of the good life, but it is an important component that needs to be safeguarded.
3. The Elements of Politics & the Mixed Regime
Since the aim of political association is the good life, the best political regime is the one that best delivers the good life. Delivering the good life can be broken down into two components: production and distribution. There are two basic kinds of goods: the goods of the body and the goods of the soul. Both sorts of goods can be produced and distributed privately and publicly, but Aristotle treats the production and distribution of bodily goods as primarily private whereas he treats the production and distribution of spiritual goods as primarily public. The primary goods of the soul are moral and intellectual virtue, which are best produced by public education, and honor, the public recognition of virtue, talent, and service rendered to the city. The principle of distributive justice is defined as proportionate equality: equally worthy people should be equally happy and unequally worthy people should be unequally happy, commensurate with their unequal worth (Nicomachean Ethics, 5.6–7). The best regime, in short, combines happiness and justice.
But how is the best regime to be organized? Aristotle builds his account from at least three sets of elements.
First, in Politics 3.6–7, Aristotle observes that sovereignty can rest either with men or with laws. If with men, then it can rest in one man, few men, or many men. (Aristotle treats it as self-evident that it cannot rest in all men.) The rulers can exercise political power for two different ends: for the common good and for special interests. One pursues the common good by promoting the just happiness of all. What makes a regime lawful is aiming at the common good. What makes a regime unlawful is using the state to promote private interests at the expense of the common good.
When a single man rules for the common good, we have kingship. When he rules for his own good, we have tyranny. When the few rule for the common good, we have aristocracy. When they rule for their factional interest, we have oligarchy. When the many rule for the common good, we have polity. When they rule for their factional interest, we have democracy. These six regimes can exist in pure forms, or they can be mixed together.
Second, Aristotle treats social classes as elemental political distinctions. In Politics 3.8 he refines his definitions of oligarchy and democracy, claiming that oligarchy is actually the rule by the rich, whether they are few or many, and democracy is rule by the poor, whether they are few or many. Similarly, in Politics 4.11 (6.1) Aristotle also defines polity as rule by the middle class. In Politics 4.4 (6.4), Aristotle argues that social classes are irreducible political distinctions. One can be a rich, poor, or middle-class juror, legislator, or office-holder. One can be a rich, poor, or middle-class farmer or merchant. But one cannot be both rich and poor at the same time (1291b2–13). Class distinctions cannot be eliminated; therefore, they have to be recognized and respected, their disadvantages meliorated and their advantages harnessed for the common good.
Third, in Politics 4.14 (6.14), Aristotle divides the activities of rulership into three different functions: legislative, judicial, and executive.
Because rulership can be functionally divided, it is possible to create a mixed regime by assigning different functions to different parts of the populace. One could, for instance, mix monarchy and elite rule by assigning supreme executive office to a single man and the legislative and judicial functions to the few. Or one could divide the legislative function into different houses, assigning one to the few and another to the many. Aristotle suggests giving the few the power to legislate and the many the power to veto legislation. He suggests that officers be elected by the many, but nominated from the few. The few should make expenditures, but the many should audit them (2.12, 1274a15–21; 3.11, 1281b21–33; 4.14 [6.14], 1298b26–40).
In Politics 3.10, Aristotle argues that some sort of mixed regime is preferable, since no pure regime is satisfactory: “A difficulty arises as to what should be the controlling part of the city, for it is really either the multitude or the rich or the decent or the best one of all or a tyrant? But all of them appear unsatisfactory” (1281a11–13). Democracy is bad because the poor unjustly plunder the rich; oligarchy is bad because the rich oppress and exploit the poor; tyranny is bad because the tyrant does injustice to everyone (1281a13–28). Kingship and aristocracy are unsatisfactory because they leave the many without honors and are schools for snobbery and high-handedness (1281a28–33; 4.11 [6.11], 1295b13ff). A pure polity might be unsatisfactory because it lacks a trained leadership caste and is therefore liable to make poor decisions (3.11, 1281b21–33).
4. Checks & Balances, Political Rule, & the Rule of Law
Aristotle’s mixed regime is the origin of the idea of the separation of powers and “checks and balances.” It goes hand in hand with a very modern political realism. Aristotle claims that, “all regimes that look to the common advantage turn out, according to what is simply just, to be correct ones, while those that look only to the advantage of their rulers are mistaken and are all deviations from the correct regime. For they are despotic, but the city is a community of the free” (3.6, 1279a17–21).
It is odd, then, that in Politics 4.8–9 (6.8–9) Aristotle describes the best regime as a mixture of two defective regimes, oligarchy and democracy—not of two correct regimes, aristocracy and polity. But perhaps Aristotle entertained the possibility of composing a regime that tends to the common good out of classes that pursue their own factional interests.
Perhaps Aristotle thought that the “intention” to pursue the common good can repose not in the minds of individual men, but in the institutional logic of the regime itself. This would be an enormous advantage, for it would bring about the common good without having to rely entirely upon men of virtue and good will, who are in far shorter supply than men who pursue their own individual and factional advantages.
Related to the mixed regime with its checks and balances is the notion of “political rule.” Political rule consists of ruling and being ruled in turn:
. . . there is a sort of rule exercised over those who are similar in birth and free. This rule we call political rule, and the ruler must learn it by being ruled, just as one learns to be a cavalry commander by serving under a cavalry commander . . . Hence it was nobly said that one cannot rule well without having been ruled. And while virtue in these two cases is different, the good citizen must learn and be able both to be ruled and to rule. This is in fact the virtue of the citizen, to know rule over the free from both sides. (3.4, 1277b7–15; cf. 1.13, 1259b31–34 and 2.2, 1261a32–b3)
Aristotle makes it clear that political rule can exist only where the populace consists of men who are free, i.e., sufficiently virtuous that they can rule themselves. They must also be economically middle-class, well-armed, and warlike. They must, in short, be the sort of men who can participate responsibly in government, who want to participate, and who cannot safely be excluded. A populace that is slavish, vice-ridden, poor, and unarmed can easily be disenfranchised and exploited. If power were entirely in the hands of a free populace, the regime would be a pure polity, and political rule would exist entirely between equals. If, however, a free populace were to take part in a mixed regime, then political rule would exist between different parts of the regime. The many and the few would divide power and functions between them. Not only would members of each class take turns performing the different functions allotted to them, the classes themselves would rule over others in one respect and be ruled in another. In these circumstances, then, checks and balances are merely one form of political rule.
In Politics 3.16, Aristotle connects political rule to the rule of law:
What is just is that people exercise rule no more than they are subject to it and that therefore they rule by turns. But this is already law, for the arrangement is law. Therefore, it is preferable that law rule rather than any one of the citizens. And even if, to pursue the same argument, it were better that there be some persons exercising rule, their appointment should be as guardians and servants of the laws. For though there must be some offices, that there should be this one person exercising rule is, they say, not just, at least when all are similar. (1287a15–22)
Aristotle’s point is simple. If two men govern by turns, then sovereignty does not ultimately repose in either of them, but in the rule that they govern by turns. The same can be said of checks and balances. If the few spend money and the many audit the accounts, then neither group is sovereign, the laws are. If sovereignty reposes in laws, not men, the common good is safe. As Aristotle points out, “anyone who bids the laws to rule seems to bid god and intellect alone to rule, but anyone who bids a human being to rule adds on also the wild beast. For desire is such a beast and spiritedness perverts rulers even when they are the best of men. Hence law is intellect without appetite” (1287a23–31). The greatest enemy of the common good is private interest. The laws, however, have no private interests. Thus if our laws are conducive to the common good, we need not depend entirely on the virtue and public-spiritedness of men.
Aristotle would, however, hasten to add that no regime can do without these characteristics entirely, for the laws cannot apply themselves. They must be applied by men, and their application will seldom be better than the men who apply them. Furthermore, even though a regime may function without entirely virtuous citizens, no legitimate regime can be indifferent to the virtue of the citizens, for the whole purpose of political association is to instill the virtues necessary for happiness.
Part II: In Defense of Popular Government
5. The Good Man & the Good Citizen
Having now surveyed Aristotle’s thoughts on the elements and proper aim of politics, we can now examine his arguments for popular government. When I use the phrase “popular government,” it should be borne in mind that Aristotle does not advocate a pure polity, but a mixed regime with a popular element.
Aristotle’s first case for bringing the many into government can be discerned in Politics 3.4. Aristotle’s question is whether the virtues of the good man and the good citizen are the same. They are not the same, insofar as the virtue of the good citizen is defined relative to the regime, and there are many different regimes, while the virtue of the good man is defined relative to human nature, which is one. One can therefore be a good citizen but not a good man, and a good man but not a good citizen. History is replete with examples of regimes that punish men for their virtues and reward them for their vices. Aristotle does, however, allow that the good man and the good citizen can be one in a regime in which the virtues required of a good citizen do not differ from the virtues of a good man.
The chief virtue of a good man is prudence. But prudence is not required of a citizen insofar as he is ruled. Only obedience is required. Prudence is, however, required of a citizen insofar as he rules. Since the best regime best encourages happiness by best cultivating virtue, a regime that allows the many to govern along with the few is better than a regime that excludes them. By including the many in ruling, a popular regime encourages the widest cultivation of prudence and gives the greatest opportunity for its exercise. The best way to bring the many into the regime is what Aristotle calls political rule: ruling and being ruled in turn, as prescribed by law.
As we have seen above, in the passage from Politics 3.4 quoted on pages 51–52, Aristotle argues that political rule not only teaches the virtue of prudence to the many, it teaches the virtue of being ruled to the few, who must give way in turn to the many. Since the few aspire to rule but not be ruled, Aristotle argues that they cannot rule without first having been ruled.
Aristotle names justice as a virtue that is learned both in ruling and being ruled. Those born to wealth and power are liable to arrogance and the love of command. By subjecting them to the rule of others, including their social inferiors, they learn to respect their freedom and justly appraise their worth.
6. Potlucks, Chimeras, & Juries
Aristotle’s next case for bringing the many into the regime is found in Politics 3.11. Aristotle seeks to rebut the aristocratic argument against popular participation, namely that the best political decisions are wise ones, but wisdom is found only among the few, not the many. Popular participation, therefore, would inevitably dilute the quality of the political decision-makers, increasing the number of foolish decisions.
Aristotle accepts the premise that the wise should rule, but he argues that there are circumstances in which the few and the many together are wiser than the few on their own. The aristocratic principle, therefore, demands the participation of the many:
. . . the many, each of whom is not a serious man, nevertheless could, when they have come together, be better than those few best—not, indeed, individually but as a whole, just as meals furnished collectively are better than meals furnished at one person’s expense. For each of them, though many, could have a part of virtue and prudence, and just as they could, when joined together in a multitude, become one human being with many feet, hands, and senses, so also could they become one in character and thought. That is why the many are better judges of the works of music and the poets, for one of them judges one part and another another and all of them the whole. (1281a42–b10)
At first glance, this argument seems preposterous. History and everyday life are filled with examples of wise individuals opposing foolish collectives. But Aristotle does not claim that the many are always wiser than the few, simply that they can be under certain conditions (1281b15).
The analogy of the potluck supper is instructive (cf. 3.15, 1286a28–30). A potluck supper can be better than one provided by a single person if it offers a greater number and variety of dishes and diffuses costs and labor. But potluck suppers are not always superior—that is the “luck” in it. Potlucks are often imbalanced. On one occasion, there may be too many desserts and no salads. On another, three people may bring chicken and no one brings beef or pork. The best potluck, therefore, is a centrally orchestrated one that mobilizes the resources of many different contributors but ensures a balanced and wholesome meal.
Likewise, the best way to include the many in political decision-making is to orchestrate their participation, giving them a delimited role that maximizes their virtues and minimizes their vices. This cannot be accomplished in a purely popular regime, particularly a lawless one, but it can be accomplished in a mixed regime in which the participation of the populace is circumscribed by law and checked by the interests of other elements of the population.
Aristotle’s second analogy—which likens the intellectual and moral unity of the many to a man with many feet, hands, and sense organs, i.e., a freak of nature—does not exactly assuage doubters. But his point is valid. While even the best of men may lack a particular virtue, it is unlikely that it will be entirely absent from a large throng. Therefore, the many are potentially as virtuous or even more virtuous than the few if their scattered virtues can be gathered together and put to work.
But history records many examples of groups acting less morally than any member on his own. Thus the potential moral superiority of the many is unlikely to emerge in a lawless democracy. But it could emerge in a lawful mixed regime, which actively encourages and employs the virtues of the many while checking their vices.
This process can be illustrated by adapting an analogy that Aristotle offers to illustrate another point: A painting of a man can be more beautiful than any real man, for the painter can pick out the best features of individual men and combine them into a beautiful whole (3.11, 1281b10–11).
Aristotle illustrates the potential superiority of collective judgment with another questionable assertion, that “the many are better judges of the works of music and the poets, for one of them judges one part and another another and all of them the whole.” Again, this seems preposterous. Good taste, like wisdom, is not widely distributed and is cultivated by the few, not the many. Far more people buy rap recordings than classical ones. But Aristotle is not claiming that the many are better judges in all cases. Aristotle is likely referring to Greek dramatic competitions. These competitions were juried by the audience, not a small number of connoisseurs.
A jury trial or competition is a genuine collective decision-making process in which each juror is morally enjoined to pay close attention the matter at hand and to render an objective judgment. Although each juror has his own partial impression, when jurors deliberate they can add their partial impressions together to arrive at a more complete and adequate account. To the extent that a jury decision must approach unanimity, the jurors will be motivated to examine the issue from all sides and persuade one another to move toward a rationally motivated consensus. A jury decision can, therefore, be more rational, well-informed, and objective than an individual one.
The market, by contrast, is not a collective decision-making process. It does not require a consumer to compare his preferences to those of others, to persuade others of their validity or defend them from criticism, or to arrive at any sort of consensus. Instead, the market merely registers the collective effects of individual decisions.
7. Freedom & Stability
Another argument for popular government in Politics 3.11 (1281b21–33) is that it is more stable. Aristotle grants the Aristocratic principle that it is not safe for the populace to share in “the greatest offices” because, “on account of their injustice and unwisdom, they would do wrong in some things and go wrong in others.” But then he goes on to argue that it would not be safe to exclude the many from rule altogether, since a city “that has many in it who lack honor and are poor must of necessity be full of enemies,” which would be a source of instability. Instability is, however, inconsistent with the proper aim of politics, for the good life requires peace. The solution is a mixed regime that ensures peace and stability by allowing the many to participate in government, but not to occupy the highest offices. In Politics 2.9, Aristotle praises the Spartan Ephorate for holding the regime together, “since, as the populace share in the greatest office, it keeps them quiet. . . . For if any regime is going to survive, all the parts of the city must want it both to exist and to remain as it is” (1270b17–22; cf. Aristotle’s discussion of the Carthaginians in 2.9, 1272b29–32; see also 4.13 [6.13], 1297b6).
In Politics 2.12, Aristotle offers another reason for including the populace in government. Solon gave the populace, “the power that was most necessary (electing to office and auditing the accounts), since without it they would have been enslaved and hostile” (1274a4–6). Here Aristotle makes it clear that he values liberty, and he values popular government because it protects the liberty of the many.
8. Expert Knowledge
In Politics 3.11 Aristotle rebuts the argument that the many should not be involved in politics because they are amateurs, and decisions in politics, as in medicine and other fields, should be left to experts. In response to this, Aristotle repeats his argument that the many, taken together, may be better judges than a few experts. He then adds that there are some arts in which the products can be appreciated by people who do not possess the art: “Appreciating a house, for example, does not just belong to the builder; the one who uses it, namely the household manager, will pass an even better judgment on it. Likewise, the pilot judges the rudder better than the carpenter and the dinner guest judges the feast better than the chef” (1282a19–22). If the art of statesmanship is like these, then the best judge of the quality of a statesman is not the few political experts, but the many political laymen who are ruled by him. The judgment of the populace should not, therefore, be disdained.
9. Resistance to Corruption
In Politics 3.15 Aristotle argues that popular regimes are more resistant to corruption. Even in a regime in which law ultimately rules, there are particular circumstances that the laws do not anticipate. Where the law cannot decide, men must do so. But this creates an opportunity for corruption. Aristotle argues that such decisions are better made by large bodies deliberating in public: “What is many is more incorruptible: the multitude, like a greater quantity of water, is harder to ruin than a few. A single person’s judgment must necessarily be corrupted when he is overcome by anger or some other such passion, but getting everyone in the other case to become angry and go wrong at the same time takes a lot of doing. Let the multitude in question, however, be the free who are acting in no way against law, except where law is necessarily deficient” (1286a33–38). Aristotle’s argument that the many may collectively possess fewer vices than the few is merely a mirror image of his earlier collective virtue argument. Here, as elsewhere, Aristotle defends popular government only under delimited circumstances. The populace must be free, not slavish, and they must decide only when the laws cannot.
10. Delegation & Diffusion of Power
Politics 3.16 is devoted to arguments against total kingship. One of these arguments can be turned into a case for popular government. Aristotle claims that total kingship is unsustainable: “It is not easy for one person to oversee many things, so there will need to be many officials appointed in subordination to him. Consequently, what is the difference between having them there right from the start and having one man in this way appoint them? . . . if a man who is serious is justly ruler because he is better, then two good men are better than one” (1287b8–12, cf. 1287b25–29).
Since total kingship is unworkable, kings must necessarily appoint other superior men as “peers” to help them. But if total kingship must create an aristocracy, then why not have aristocracy from the start?
This argument could, however, be pushed further to make a case for popular government. An aristocracy cannot effectively rule the people without the active participation of some and the passive acquiescence of the rest. As we have seen above, Aristotle argues that the best way to bring this about is popular government. But if aristocracy must eventually bring the populace into the regime, then why not include them from the very beginning?
11. When Regimes Fail
In Politics 4.2 (6.2), Aristotle returns to his list of pure regime types. The three just regimes are kingship, aristocracy, and polity; the three unjust ones are tyranny, oligarchy, and democracy. Aristotle proceeds to rank the three just regimes in terms of the kinds of virtues they require. Thus Aristotle identifies kingship and aristocracy as the best regimes because they are both founded on “fully equipped virtue” (1289a31). Of the two, kingship is the very best, for it depends upon a virtue so superlative that it is possessed by only one man. Aristocracy is less exalted because it presupposes somewhat more broadly distributed and therefore less exalted virtue. Polity depends upon even more widespread and modest virtue. Furthermore, the populace, unlike kings and aristocrats, lacks the full complement of material equipment necessary to fully exercise such virtues as magnificence.
By this ranking, polity is not the best regime, but the least of the good ones. But Aristotle then offers a new, politically realistic standard for ranking the just regimes that reverses their order. Kingship may be the best regime from a morally idealistic perspective, but when it degenerates it turns into tyranny, which is the worst regime. Aristocracy may be the second-best regime from a morally idealistic perspective, but when it degenerates it turns into oligarchy, which is the second worst regime. Polity may be the third choice of the moral idealist, but when it degenerates, it merely becomes democracy, which is the best of a bad lot.
Since degeneration is inevitable, the political realist ranks regimes not only in terms of their best performances, but also in terms of their worst. By this standard, polity is the best of the good regimes and kingship the worst. Kingship is best under ideal conditions, polity under real conditions. Kingship is a sleek Jaguar, polity a dowdy Volvo. On the road, the Jaguar is clearly better. But when they go in the ditch, the Volvo shows itself to be the better car overall.
12. The Middle-Class Regime
Aristotle displays the same political realism in his praise of the middle-class regime in Politics 4.11 (6.11): “If we judge neither by a virtue that is beyond the reach of private individuals, nor by an education requiring a nature and equipment dependent on chance, nor again a regime that is as one would pray for, but by a way of life that most can share in common together and by a regime that most cities can participate in . . . ,” then a large, politically enfranchised middle class has much to recommend it: “In the case of political community . . . the one that is based on those in the middle is best, and . . . cities capable of being well governed are those sorts where the middle is large . . .” (1295b35–36).
Since the middle class is the wealthier stratum of the common people, Aristotle’s arguments for middle-class government are ipso facto arguments for popular government. Aristotle makes it clear from the beginning, however, that he is not talking about a purely popular regime, but a mixed one compounded out of a middle-class populace and elements of aristocracy (1295a30–34).
Aristotle’s first argument for the middle regime seems a sophistry: “If it was nobly said in the Ethics that the happy way of life is unimpeded life in accordance with virtue and that virtue is a mean, then necessarily the middle way of life, the life of a mean that everyone can attain, must be best. The same definitions must hold also for the virtue and vice of city and regime, since the regime is a certain way of life of a city” (1295a35–40).
In the Nicomachean Ethics, Aristotle makes it clear that the fact that virtue can be understood as a mean between two vices, one of excess and the other of defect, does not imply either that virtue is merely an arithmetic mean (Nicomachean Ethics, 2.2, 1106a26–b8), or that virtue is to be regarded as mediocrity, not as superlative (Nicomachean Ethics, 2.2, 1107a9–27). Here, however, Aristotle describes the mean not as a superlative, but as a mediocrity “that everyone can attain.” This conclusion follows only if we presuppose that the morally idealistic doctrine of the Ethics has been modified into a moral realism analogous to the political realism of Politics 4.2.
Aristotle then claims that in a regime the mean lies in the middle class: “In all cities there are in fact three parts: those who are exceedingly well-off, those who are exceedingly needy, and the third who are in the middle of these two. So, since it is agreed that the mean and middle is best, then it is manifest that a middling possession also of the goods of fortune must be best of all” (1295b1–3). Aristotle is, however, equivocating. He begins by defining the middle class as an arithmetic mean between the rich and the poor. He concludes that the middle class is a moral mean. But he does not establish that the arithmetic mean corresponds with the moral.
Aristotle does, however, go on to offer reasons for thinking that the social mean corresponds to the moral mean. But the middle class is not necessarily more virtuous because its members have been properly educated, but because their social position and class interests lead them to act as if they had been.
First, Aristotle argues that “the middle most easily obeys reason.” Those who are “excessively beautiful or strong or well-born or wealthy” find it hard to follow reason, because they tend to be “insolent and rather wicked in great things.” By contrast, those who are poor and “extremely wretched and weak, and have an exceeding lack of honor” tend to become “villains and too much involved in petty wickedness.” The middle class is, however, too humble to breed insolence and too well-off to breed villainy. Since most injustices arise from insolence and villainy, a regime with a strong middle class will be more likely to be just.
Second, Aristotle argues that the middle class is best suited to ruling and being ruled in turn. Those who enjoy, “an excess of good fortune (strength, wealth, friends, and other things of the sort)” love to rule and dislike being ruled. Both of these attitudes are harmful to the city, yet they naturally arise among the wealthy. From an early age, the wealthy are instilled with a “love of ruling and desire to rule, both of which are harmful to cities” (1295b12), and, “because of the luxury they live in, being ruled is not something they get used to, even at school” (1295b13–17). By contrast, poverty breeds vice, servility, and small-mindedness. Thus the poor are easy to push around, and if they do gain power, they are incapable of exercising it virtuously. Therefore, without a middle class, “a city of slaves and masters arises, not a city of the free, and the first are full of envy while the second are full of contempt.” Such a city must be “at the furthest remove from friendship and political community” (1295b21–24). The presence of a strong middle class, however, binds the city into a whole, limiting the tendency of the rich to tyranny and the poor to slavishness, creating a “city of the free.”
Third, Aristotle argues that middle-class citizens enjoy the safest and most stable lives, imbuing the regime as a whole with these characteristics. Those in the middle are, among all the citizens, the most likely to survive in times of upheaval, when the poor starve and the rich become targets. They are sufficiently content with their lot not to envy the possessions of the rich. Yet they are not so wealthy that the poor envy them. They neither plot against the rich nor are plotted against by the poor.
Fourth, a large middle class stabilizes a regime, particularly if the middle is “stronger than both extremes or, otherwise, than either one of them. For the middle will tip the balance when added to either side and prevent the emergence of an excess at the opposite extremes” (1295b36–40). Without a large and powerful middle class, “either ultimate rule of the populace arises or unmixed oligarchy does, or, because of excess on both sides, tyranny” (1296a3; cf. 6.12, 1297a6ff).
Fifth is the related point that regimes with large middle classes are relatively free of faction and therefore more concerned with the common good. This is because a large middle class makes it harder to separate everyone out into two groups (1296a7–10).
Finally, Aristotle claims that one sign of the superiority of middle-class regimes is that the best legislators come from the middle class. As examples, he cites Solon, Lycurgus, and Charondas (1296a18–21).
Conclusion: Aristotle’s Polity & Our Own
If the proper aim of government is to promote the happiness of the citizen, Aristotle marshals an impressive array of arguments for giving the people, specifically the middle class, a role in government. These arguments can be grouped under five headings: virtue, rational decision-making, freedom, stability, and resistance to corruption.
Popular government both presupposes and encourages widespread virtue among the citizens, and virtue is a necessary condition of happiness. Middle class citizens are particularly likely to follow practical reason and act justly, for they are corrupted neither by wealth nor by poverty. Popular participation can improve political decision-making by mobilizing scattered information and experience, and more informed decisions are more likely to promote happiness. In particular, popular government channels the experiences of those who are actually governed back into the decision-making process.
Popular participation preserves the freedom of the people, who would otherwise be exploited if they had no say in government. By preserving the freedom of the people, popular participation unifies the regime, promoting peace and stability which in turn are conducive to the pursuit of happiness. This is particularly the case with middle-class regimes, for the middle class prevents excessive and destabilizing separation and between the extremes of wealth and poverty.
Popular governments are also more resistant to corruption. It is harder to use bribery or trickery to corrupt decisions made by many people deliberating together in public than by one person or a few deciding in private. This means that popular regimes are more likely to promote the common good instead of allowing the state to become a tool for the pursuit of one special interest at the expense of another. Furthermore, if a popular regime does become corrupt, it is most likely to become a democracy, which is the least unjust of the bad regimes and the easiest to reform.
All these are good arguments for giving the people a role in government. But not just any people. And not just any role.
First, Aristotle presupposes a small city-state. He did not think that any regime could pursue the common good if it became too large. This is particularly true of a popular regime, for the larger the populace, the less room any particular citizen has for meaningful participation.
Second, he presupposes a populace that is racially and culturally homogeneous. A more diverse population is subject to faction and strife. It will either break up into distinct communities or it will have to be held together by violence and governed by an elite. A more diverse population also erodes a society’s moral consensus, making moral education even more difficult.
Third, political participation will be limited to middle-class and wealthy property-owning males, specifically men who derive their income from the ownership of productive land, not merchants and craftsmen.
Fourth, Aristotle circumscribes the role of the populace by assigning it specific legal roles, such as the election of officers and the auditing of accounts—roles that are checked and balanced by the legal roles of the aristocratic element, such as occupying leadership positions.
If Aristotle is right about the conditions of popular government, then he would probably take a dim view of its prospects in America.
First and foremost, Aristotle would deplore America’s lack of concern with moral education. Aristotle’s disagreement would go beyond the obvious fact that the American founders did not make moral education the central concern of the state. America has neglected to cultivate even the minimal moral virtues required to maintain a liberal regime, virtues such as independence, personal responsibility, and basic civility.
Second, Aristotle would predict that multiculturalism and non-white immigration will destroy the cultural preconditions of popular government.
Third, Aristotle would reject America’s ever-widening franchise—particularly the extension of the vote to women, non-property owners, and cultural aliens—as a sure prescription for lowering the quality of public decision-making in the voting booth and jury room.
Fourth, Aristotle would be alarmed by the continuing erosion of the American working and middle classes by competition from foreign workers both inside and outside America’s borders. He would deplore America’s transformation from an agrarian to an industrial-mercantile civilization and support autarky rather than free trade and economic globalization.
Fifth, Aristotle would be alarmed by ongoing attempts to disarm the populace.
Sixth, he would condemn America’s imperialistic and warlike policies toward other nations.
Finally, Aristotle would likely observe that since genuine popular government is difficult with hundreds of thousands of citizens it will be impossible with hundreds of millions.
In short, if Aristotle were alive today, he would find himself to the right of Patrick J. Buchanan, decrying America’s decline from a republic to an empire. Aristotle challenges us to show whether and how liberty and popular government are compatible with feminism, multiculturalism, and globalized capitalism.
To conclude, however, on a more positive note, although Aristotle gives reasons to think that the future of popular government in America is unpromising, he also gives reasons for optimism about the long-term prospects of popular government in general, for his defense of popular government is based on a realistic assessment of human nature, not only in its striving for perfection, but also in its propensity for failure.
 All quotes from Aristotle are from The Politics of Aristotle, trans. and ed. Peter L. Phillips Simpson (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1997). Simpson’s edition has two unique features. First, The Politics is introduced by a translation of Nicomachean Ethics 10.9. Second, Simpson moves books 7 and 8 of The Politics, positioning them between the traditional books 3 and 4. I retain the traditional ordering, indicating Simpson’s renumbering parenthetically. Unless otherwise noted, all quotes are from The Politics. Quotes from the Nicomachean Ethics will be indicated as such.
 A useful commentary on these and other Aristotelian arguments for public education is Randall R. Curren, Aristotle on the Necessity of Public Education (Lanham, Maryland: Rowman and Littlefield, 2000).
 For a fuller discussion of the value Aristotle puts on liberty, see Roderick T. Long, “Aristotle’s Conception of Freedom,” The Review of Metaphysics 49, no. 4 (June 1996), pp. 787–802.
 One could add a third category of instrumental goods, but these goods are instrumental to the intrinsic goods of the body, the soul, or both, and thus could be classified under those headings.
 As for the highest good of the soul, which is attained by philosophy, Aristotle’s flight from Athens near the end of his life shows that he recognized that different political orders can be more or less open to free thought, but I suspect that he was realist enough (and Platonist enough) to recognize that even the best cities are unlikely to positively cultivate true freedom to philosophize. I would wager that Aristotle would be both surprised at the freedom of thought in the United States and receptive to Tocquevillian complaints about the American tendency toward conformism that makes such freedom unthreatening to the reigning climate of opinion. A cynic might argue that if Americans actually made use of their freedom of thought, it would be quickly taken away.
 On the complexities of the executive role in the Politics, see Harvey C. Mansfield, Jr., Taming the Prince: The Ambivalence of Modern Executive Power (Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1993), chs. 2–3.
 For useful discussions of the arguments of Politics 3.11, see Mary P. Nichols, Citizens and Statesmen: A Study of Aristotle’s Politics (Lanham, Maryland: Rowman and Littlefield, 1992), pp. 66–71, and Peter L. Phillips Simpson, A Philosophical Commentary on the Politics of Aristotle (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 1998), pp. 166–71.
 On the potluck supper analogy, see Arlene W. Saxonhouse, Fear of Diversity: The Birth of Political Science in Ancient Greek Thought (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1992), pp. 222–24.
 I wish to thank M.L.C. for suggesting the model of a jury trial.
 For a beautiful description of the deliberative process of a jury, see John C. Calhoun, A Disquisition on Government, in Union and Liberty: The Political Philosophy of John C. Calhoun, ed. Ross M. Lence (Indianapolis: Liberty Fund, 1992), pp. 49–50.
 Friedrich A. Hayek’s classic essay “The Use of Knowledge in Society,” in his Individualism and Economic Order (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1948), argues that the market is superior to central planning because it better mobilizes widely scattered information. The market is, of course, larger than any possible jury and thus will always command more information.
However, if one were to compare a market and a jury of the same size, the jury would clearly be a more rational decision-making process, for the market registers decisions based on perspectives that are in principle entirely solipsistic, whereas the jury requires a genuine dialogue that challenges all participants to transcend their partial and subjective perspectives and work toward a rational consensus that is more objective than any individual judgment because it more adequately accounts for the phenomena in question.
This crucial disanalogy counts against attempts to justify the market in terms of Gadamerian, Popperian, or Habermasian models and communicative rationality. For the best statement of this sort of approach, see G. B. Madison, The Political Economy of Civil Society and Human Rights (New York: Routledge, 1998), esp. chs. 3–5.
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Thanks for providing this. All Rightists should have at least a basic grounding in the most important works of Western philosophy. This, along with Collin’s essay on Heidegger, is a good start by providing valuable introductions.
Aristotle did not have the benefit of understanding The Selfish Gene and the formula for the evolution of altruism (and many related virtues such as courage, love, trust, etc) which is neatly summed up in Hamilton’s formula.
Hamilton said that altruism evolves when rb > c. [Relatedness of the altruist to the person he tries to help and genetic benefit to that altruist must be greater than the genetic cost. ] And with genetic diversity it rarely is, except for the very closest of kin. Hence the decline of civilisation as genetic diversity increases and the undiscriminating altruists find their genes disadvantaged significantly.
Understanding the full implications of this puts a whole new spin on the matters Aristotle concerned himself with.
I have familiarized myself with Aristotle, but I am by no means an expert. So this piece is very helpful.
With realism, existence is viewed in universalist terms. Of course, I don’t object to universalism by default, but the way we approach universalist ideas in the modern world (humanism/ “people” as all being fundamentally the same where differences are supposedly negligible) seems to speak to what you’re getting at with respect to Aristotle’s writings and emphasis and how he may have perhaps emphasized other areas had he the knowledge of modern genetics at his fingertips. So Aristotle, though elitist, is not as explicitly dangerous as say Nietzsche (when he’s taken seriously) because you can still read him and perhaps have the illusion that Aristotle would be pro-multi-culti even if he may not address such issues directly at all. (Of course, he was hardly an egalitarian, even still. I still haven’t read most of his writings at this point so I’m only speculating about the degree to which he emphasizes differences within his realist philosophy or the degree to which he may or may not warn against generalities. But realism does tend toward generalities as far as I can tell.)
St. Thomas Aquinas was a huge admirer of Aristotle and was responsible for transitioning the Church from a more neo-Platonic approach to a more Aristotitlean one (which to me, seems like a positive as I find Aristotle to be preferable to Plato, myself). That said, it’s not surprising that a realist philosophy, hierarchical it may have been, didn’t place enough emphasis on differences between people and objects within nature and the Church seems to have just conveniently ignored or downplayed them in the interest of reconciling this philosophy they chose for their religion with the “Gospel message.” Of course, this doesn’t make realism wrong. But it may explain how realism served as a Trojan horse for the egalitarian politics of modern liberalism that crystallized with The French Revolution.
Incidentally, I never hear Church figures (even those who may be race realists) take into account how acknowledging innate human differences (particularly between very different peoples) may affect one’s moral sensibilities. For example, it’s a lot easier to view primitive people in a less heavy light for their actions. The moralist doesn’t seem to have a lot of room for such “tolerance.” Their barbaric behavior seems to be worthy of condemnation from this perspective even if they are only capable of barbarism. They’re literally born damned. One of the only race realist Christians I have ever come across in my own personal studies is de Gobineau, but he seemed more interested in squaring Christianity with racism from a biological perspective more so than from a theological perspective.
It seems that Gobineau was actually more of a pagan than a Christian in spirit. At any rate, this was the view of the French sociologist Georges Palante, who was quite familiar with Gobineau’s work. (If you’re interested, I could locate and summarize or translate the relevant passages from Palante’s works, but that might take some time.) Palante also makes it clear that Gobineau was an exponent of what François Richard called “anarchisme de droite” (right-wing anarchism), which might also be called “aristocratic individualism,” a sensibility found in a number of authors on the “right” opposed to mass society and its levelling morality.
Like Adolf Hitler, Gobineau was a firm believer in the importance of race and personality.
I’d need to check this, but Gobineau’s paganism may have been at the center of the disagreement between him and his friend Alexis de Tocqueville.
I haven’t read much of Gobineau myself, but it is noteworthy that despite his reputation as a wicked “racist,” his collected works are published in Gallimard’s Pléiade series. Gallimard is a mainstream French publisher and the Pléiade series is a collection of classic or major authors and works.
Christians and high pagans sought the same thing : The Sun Spirit. That is why St. Augustine stated that Christianity was always present.
UFASP “So Aristotle, though elitist, is not as explicitly dangerous as say Nietzsche (when he’s taken seriously) because you can still read him and perhaps have the illusion that Aristotle would be pro-multi-culti even if he may not address such issues directly at all. ”
Anything that is not PRO multiculturalism is “dangerous” you say? Amazing!
“UFASP “So Aristotle, though elitist, is not as explicitly dangerous as say Nietzsche (when he’s taken seriously) because you can still read him and perhaps have the illusion that Aristotle would be pro-multi-culti even if he may not address such issues directly at all. ”
Anything that is not PRO multiculturalism is “dangerous” you say? Amazing!”
Just so we understand each other, that was in reference to the establishment’s perspective, not mine. I would go so far to say that, yes, Aristotle and Nietzsche’s views (Nietzsche even more so) are dangerous to the establishment. Anything that is elitist is dangerous, in a way. I’ve made anti-feminist arguments before and liberals rightly connect that to “pro-racist” views. So yes, I stand by your inference. Capitalism’s importance in national politics is implicitly multi-cultural.
But that’s the nature of philosophy. Many ideas are dangerous to any status quo. It just so happens that traditional ideas are dangerous those who rule in this upside down world. So I don’t quite get the spirit of your response.
“Were Aristotle alive today I don’t think he would wish to be associated with Platonic realism (just as he wished not to be during his day). Aristotle didn’t believe in the existence of universals outside of the particulars; that is, there were no uninstantiated universals in his mind.”
Right. This is exactly why I prefer him to Plato. He’s literally more down to Earth.
“In his view, what we know of some thing, are the various universals that it instantiates (Porphyrian tree style). That is, we can never know the ding an sich, but merely, what we abstract from the existing phenom with the intellect. Asked to describe Plato, Aristotle (and all of us really) would simply begin to list off various universals (although he would probably do so in terms of increasing “specificity”) and would never really arrive at the essence of Plato himself. And how could he? Particulars do not exist without instantiating universals and universals don’t exist outside of the particulars. This, to me, is some kind of proto-Kantian dance and I don’t really consider Aristotle to be a meaningful improvement on Plato.”
Feser certainly seems to think he’s an improvement, incidentally. But in my novice reading, it seems to me that Aristotle places more emphasis on those universals not existing outside of nature. They aren’t in some “realm of forms.”
“If you are truly interested in Aristotle, as you’ve indicated that you rightly understand, I’d encourage to start off with neo-Aristotelians who have improved vastly upon the original thinker. If you don’t mind reading something uncritical and somewhat theological, the most accessible Thomistic philosopher is a guy named Edward Feser.”
Yeah. I read his blog. I’ve read The Last Superstition. He’s a great writer. However, the mental gymnastics these neo-Scholastics have to go through to substantiate their views is a bit suspect to me. That’s not to say that I think their views are unfounded. After all, I support Traditionalists like Guenon and Evola who simply make a Platonic form out of Tradition. But I do personally balk at the heavy handed-abstractions and mental gymnastics that people go through to arrive at their view, sometimes. It’s the stuff that at times leads to “how many angels can dance on this pinhead?” This is why Nietzsche is invaluable to me. In many ways, I feed off of both Nietzschean and Platonic modes of thinking. This is why your question to me about my “system” struck me as utterly simplistic. I will say that despite not having a definite system, I’d be very comfortable arguing that my convictions as strong (if not stronger) than most people who call themselves Christians. This is why I object to all this talk about “we need Christianity back.”
“The book that he wrote (The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism) to combat the spate of “New Atheist” works that came out a few years ago is a really good introduction to hylomorphism and basic philosophy in general from an Aristotelian-Thomistic point of view. Also classic in our circles, but having more to do with morals and politics and such, is Alasdair MacIntyre. I’d encourage you to read “After Virtue””
It’s sitting on my shelf. Haven’t gotten to it yet. But I’m working on it.
“and “Whose Justice? Which Rationality?” both books, being that rare work that is engaging and truly informative without pedantry.”
Yeah, I’ve seen this one at the bookstore too. But I still need to read After Virtue. It seems I misjudged you in the Pick-Up Artists comments section.
That being said, I still disagree with your absolutist attitude toward Christianity and probably religion in general with respect to any pro-white movement.
I’m not a Catholic, either. (This was probably obvious.) But Catholics are really the only Christians who have a consistent belief system that I respect. Of course, I respect other Christians. But that, in my estimation, is probably in spite of their religion rather than because of it in many cases. I do believe the predominant interpretations of the “Gospel message” (particularly absent of their Catholic metaphysical framework) have undermined the West.
“It seems that Gobineau was actually more of a pagan than a Christian in spirit.”
Right. That’s what I mean. His support of Christianity in The Inequality of Races seemed to be much more of a type of cultural support for what has worked for Europeans (in his estimation) rather than something theological. That being said, it would very misleading to say that de Gobineau was uninterested in Christian theology. He clearly had deep convictions about the accuracy of Christian theology but his view on race itself seemed to have priority over this theological convictions. His Christianity also seemed to be anything but a “man on the street”‘s conception of Christianity. The fact that he even acknowledges race as a real matter of distinction would seem to make his thinking more pagan than a typical Christian’s who simply sees “human beings” and one morality they all revolve around.
“At any rate, this was the view of the French sociologist Georges Palante, who was quite familiar with Gobineau’s work. (If you’re interested, I could locate and summarize or translate the relevant passages from Palante’s works, but that might take some time.) Palante also makes it clear that Gobineau was an exponent of what François Richard called “anarchisme de droite” (right-wing anarchism), which might also be called “aristocratic individualism,” a sensibility found in a number of authors on the “right” opposed to mass society and its levelling morality.”
Interesting. That sounds like something that CC in general would publish. Have you thought about just submitting it?
“I haven’t read much of Gobineau myself, but it is noteworthy that despite his reputation as a wicked “racist,” his collected works are published in Gallimard’s Pléiade series. Gallimard is a mainstream French publisher and the Pléiade series is a collection of classic or major authors and works.”
Yeah. His tone is actually fairly benevolent towards other groups compared to say…Lothrop Stoddard. At least, that’s how it felt to me. That being said, he still calls a spade a spade (pun intended).
“Answering this question enables to understand why Rand loved Aristotle so much. She would say “concept formation” (man made universals) occurs when we are presented with routinely “similar” (and I’ll let that uninstantiated, non man-made universal slide without shredding it to bits)”
“stimuli (to the senses!) we end up forming “concepts” of our own making. Then Wittgenstein comes along and tells us they are collective and voila! Submission complete.”
I’ve never read Wittgenstein. In all honest humility, I don’t think I have the mind to grasp Wittgenstein. I do know that he moved to a more theistic position toward the end of his life and was associated with Anscombe who once made mince meat of C.S. Lewis in a debate. She was one of the few women, along with Philippa Foot, who had a mind for philosophy.
“So, to Aristotle, what we really end up with is direct knowledge of universals presented to the senses and I as I alluded to before, consequently, no knowledge of the ding an sich. So…. We’ve got knowledge of universals that don’t exist anywhere except in the particular (the particular we have no direct knowledge of), the knowledge being presented to our faulty senses. I don’t know. I’m not seeing a metaphysical improvement here.”
Well, Aristotle (as you know) is still fundamentally Platonic. I’m not sure he actually can be said to have IMPROVED Plato’s metaphysics as much as he provided clarity and expanded upon them and filled in some blanks for approaching form in the actual world. Again, I’m out of my depth here but his big metaphysical contribution (which again, Feser elaborates on) seems to be his Four Causes.
“More serious blog and more “general” philosophy (but still from a A-T perspective):
“And if you shoot me and e-mail address you use for these types of exchanges, I can send you a pdf of that Sertillanges text that Feser heaps lavish praise on. The first two chapters are worth a read.”
Okay. I may in touch. I appreciate the offer. I have a lot on my plate at the moment in terms of “stuff to read.”
“Well, I think most modern philosophy is that way really.”
Absolutely. Slavoj Zizek comes to mind. (I will admit that I’ve never read anything by him but his manner of speech seems absolutely incoherent to me– he’s all over the board.) I remember learning Deconstruction and Structuralism in college IN ENGLISH CLASS. Yet, most of the students couldn’t even tell you the significance of Socrates. So even if there is something to the modern vogues, people certainly can’t put them into context. Traditional Platonic metaphysics is certainly a respectable line of thought. That said, I think it has the ability to cultivate modes of thought that are harmful. But I guess that can be said about any system. But the “other world” danger of metaphysical rationalization certainly seems applicable to Christianity.
“Not a terrible (if contradictory at times) combination. I think you’d probably make Nietzsche a little uneasy.”
Actually, I find Nietzsche’s philosophy to be far more inspiring but that makes me sound like another alternative right clone. I think he was onto something about the Rational Apollonian sucking out the Dionysian zest for life. We begin thinking in terms of shorthand and without realizing it, close our eyes to life. The same holds true with Kierkegaard who was addressing the same phenomenon in different terms and from a different (pro-Christian) perspective. At the very least, it’s a keen psychological insight about the nature of “systemizing” everything that each of these proto-existentialists had.
“Yes. The Big N cut the crap. He just declared things and he was consistent in his abandonment of metaphysical comfort (fairly consistent).”
Yet, I don’t think Nietzsche completely abandoned metaphysics even if he was trying to operate outside of them. For example, “healthy instincts” has shades of Aristotle’s formal cause as far as I can tell. If I’m not mistaken, Heidegger said that Nietzsche was “the end of metaphysics” but that he was still operating within metaphysics. That said, not everyone agrees with Heidegger’s interpretation of Nietzsche.
“Well… I just wanted a few quick words. Like “my ontology is Bergmannesque” and my “epistemology is adverbial” or “I’m a Russellian” with regard to such and such. I suppose I asked the wrong way.”
You came across as someone who couldn’t distinguish religion from metaphysics. I can see that’s not the case, now. So at the time it seemed completely pointless to try to sum up my approach to thinking. I wasn’t trying to be coy. I haven’t fully worked out a philosophical view, yet, actually. I still have a long ways to go but that’s why Rationalism and Irrationalism each interest me in different ways as contradictory as they are to each other.
“People suck. Almost all of us. 90% of the population doesn’t operate at our level.”
Well, I also think people are discouraged from thinking about these things. Bowden actually makes a point about this in one of his last lectures. He talks about how you can only half-heartedly appreciate Shakespeare if you sort of uproot his writings and simply treat them as a plays in and of themselves and not something that is a cultural expression of English and Western sensibility and thus, the a testament to the greater European experience and impression upon the world. In a similar way, philosophy has become mental masturbation on college campuses. Many young sophists can tell you the bullet points about major vogues and figures and they even (superficially) understand these ideas quite well. But people don’t really think of actually applying it to anything in their lives because they are (sub-consciously and consciously) discouraged from doing so. In other words, philosophy is dead. It’s just a game.
“Well. A movement can be pro-White and anti-Christian but I would prefer it weren’t. Disagreement is ok.”
I’m not really anti-Christian. What I am against are those who insist that the white identity is Christian and that the possibility that something else about our identity lies beyond that is not up for debate. I actually try to avoid trashing Christianity. But I do often see white Christians whose beliefs forbid them from allowing themselves to take their own side. It seems hard to deny that Christian influence works against white racial interests in the long term.
“I’m not sure. I think White people just fuck up wet dreams. It’s our nature as far as I’m concerned and not any particular worldview.”
But our values are influenced by the ideologies we accept. That’s why cultural struggle has any meaning at all. It’s too much for me to accept that Christianity, liberalism and multi-culturalism and all the rest just appeared within the West one after the other as mere incidentals. But again, if you’re a Christian, I’m not out to get you, I promise.
Strangely enough, the communist Jew Mitch Abidor has made a rough translation of the chapter on Gobineau and Nietzsche in Georges Palante’s Pessimisme et individualisme (Paris: Alcan, 1914). It’s worth a read and can be found online at:
There seem to be parallels between Gobineau’s novel Ottar Jarl and P. R. Stephensen’s novel The Viking of Van Diemen’s Land, despite the time and space that separates the nineteenth-century Frenchman and the twentieth-century Australian. In his own way, Stephensen was a “right-wing anarchist” like Gobineau, and even called himself a “Nietzschean Bakuninite.” Perhaps one might say that good blood never lies!
Incidentally, in the Mercure de France for September 1917, Palante remarked that Gobineau’s work had incurred “the hostility of the Jews, the most tenacious adversaries of the idea of race, an idea which they moreover claim to religiously and jealously conserve among themselves and for themselves, for their use and personal profit, considering themselves . . . the ‘premiere aristocracy of the world.'” I’m not sure where the quotation “the premiere aristocracy of the world” comes from, but this racial conceit permeates Jewish thinking, and was expressed in the novels of Benjamin Disraeli.
Thanks for this. One of the reasons that I am opposed to home schooling is the fact that parents cannot provide the social milieu in which children learn social skills, decency, the ability to judge behaviours by comparing with others, and most of all that there is a world beyond parents where one can discover the common good. Having said that, it also grieves me that the so called ‘common good’ these days is the lowest common denominator of the students and not an intellectual understanding of virtues or values and why they are important for citizenship and ultimately good government. Multiculturalism has destroyed standards. Kids are taught tolerance instead of virtues or self restraint. Bad behaviour is tolerated instead of punished. The natural hierarchy is leveled out, so no one “feels” stupid. Feeling stupid is how one discovers one’s own ignorance.
I ask myself how the Greco-Roman World was surpassed by Judea.
“I ask myself how the Greco-Roman world was surpassed by Judea.” This isn’t a question that can be adequately answered quickly and concisely, but part of an answer might be that the luminaries of the Greco-Roman world weren’t really representative of the masses or the elites, and that they actually had relatively little influence upon the state and society at large. As Lothrop Stoddard remarked in The Revolt Against Civilization:
“In no human society has the percentage of really superior individuals even been large — in fact, their percentage has been always statistically negligible. Their influence, however, has been incalculable. Athens was not made up of Platos or Xenophons: it had its quota of dullards, knaves, and fools — as is vividly shown in the immortal satires of Aristophanes. Yet the dynamic power of its elite made Athens the glory of the world, and only when the Athenian stock ceased to produce superiors did Athens sink into insignificance.”
Many people think of Greek philosophy in terms of the formula: “Plato and Aristotle.” But there were also many second-rate and third-rate thinkers, orators, and scribblers who are now obscure or totally forgotten. It is reasonable to suppose that they had the larger audience and that they set the tone of Greek and Roman culture.
Mediocrity, vulgarity, stupidity, and superstition are far more common than excellence, taste, and wisdom. Great thinkers are rare, their audience is always small, and whatever influence they exercise is heavily diluted. These sociological truisms can be confirmed by visiting bookshops and libraries, or by browsing television guides.
Civilizations contain many people that are ready to revert to barbarism or savagery under native or foreign influence. The elites and the masses are both highly corruptible, if not already corrupt.
Revilo P. Oliver had the view that Christianity was a early form of Judeo-Communism, a jewish subversion of the Roman Empire and the Aryan race.
Judaism is actually part Egyptian occultism and Egypt, it has been stated, made contact with India. I believe ‘the Word made Flesh’ is actually hermetic and was prominently stated by a Jewish Initiate.
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